Anonymous wrote:The issue I have with all this focus on name changes and monuments is that we then are saying that no one should be honored who has any sin and that's not achievable. It gives people the impression that there's nothing they can do to be honored in society because they aren't perfect.

That's not true at all. The point is that, if a school's namesake is really only known for one thing, and that is fighting to preserve slavery, the name is not appropriate in 2017. Some historical figures are more complex than others. You are constructing straw-man arguments to justify glorifying the Confederacy.

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Anonymous wrote:We elected a pussy grabber. Bad behavior no longer precludes people from being admired and honored in this nation.

And a rapist was elected twice in the '90s.

Bingo!

This is not just about slavery! This is about segregationists from the 1960s who picked these names to intimidate black people from living here and going to these schools.

I think we can fairly say that Lee and Stuart are regarded very differently than Jefferson and Washington who made many contributions to the founding of our country.

Someone mentioned Mosby Woods. All the street names in that neighborhood were named after civil war terms- plantation, rebel, etc. That area was built around 50 years ago.

I'd be entirely for all those road names changing and for FCPS to make a plan and budget to change the names of schools that were named to intimidate or keep out.

Washington DC was not named for that purpose so I think we can keep that one of the list

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Anonymous wrote:Hell to the no.

My ancestor is TJ and he may have owned slaves but *shrug* lots of people did back then. It's a reality of history.

I hope this current trend of erasure ends soon, because it's incredibly silly and dumb.

+1
I think the only positive thing about the effort to erase our history is that it is forcing our students (and adult population) to do some research about our ancestors.
Truth is...... you would be hard pressed to find ANY human being without faults or blemishes. We all sin. That is what makes us human.

+1

I find it tedious also that we are suddenly supposed to be ashamed of our history. If you are asian, there's a high likelihood you're related to Genghis Khan who is perhaps the most prolific mass murdered in history. Does that need to be brought up every time? Probably not. IF you are white and related to slave owners- okay. Pretty sure everyone has someone in their history who did something wrong.

We really need to get over this self flagellation as a country. It's incredibly tedious

+1000

+1001. We cannot rewrite history or erase our past.

And this is probably why we are dealing with the candidate choices we have at the presidential level too. Only extreme people even run anymore. No one decent is willing to run because of the scrutiny. They are decent people, but not perfect and don't want every small incident to come out from under the rug on them.

The issue I have with all this focus on name changes and monuments is that we then are saying that no one should be honored who has any sin and that's not achievable. It gives people the impression that there's nothing they can do to be honored in society because they aren't perfect.

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Anonymous wrote:Hell to the no.

My ancestor is TJ and he may have owned slaves but *shrug* lots of people did back then. It's a reality of history.

I hope this current trend of erasure ends soon, because it's incredibly silly and dumb.

+1
I think the only positive thing about the effort to erase our history is that it is forcing our students (and adult population) to do some research about our ancestors.
Truth is...... you would be hard pressed to find ANY human being without faults or blemishes. We all sin. That is what makes us human.

+1

I find it tedious also that we are suddenly supposed to be ashamed of our history. If you are asian, there's a high likelihood you're related to Genghis Khan who is perhaps the most prolific mass murdered in history. Does that need to be brought up every time? Probably not. IF you are white and related to slave owners- okay. Pretty sure everyone has someone in their history who did something wrong.

We really need to get over this self flagellation as a country. It's incredibly tedious

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-2000. We can start to worry about "self flaggelation" once we come to terms with the very real flagellation committed against millions of black people over the course of this nation's history. Your boredom speaks only to your privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:Hell to the no.

My ancestor is TJ and he may have owned slaves but *shrug* lots of people did back then. It's a reality of history.

I hope this current trend of erasure ends soon, because it's incredibly silly and dumb.

+1
I think the only positive thing about the effort to erase our history is that it is forcing our students (and adult population) to do some research about our ancestors.
Truth is...... you would be hard pressed to find ANY human being without faults or blemishes. We all sin. That is what makes us human.

+1

I find it tedious also that we are suddenly supposed to be ashamed of our history. If you are asian, there's a high likelihood you're related to Genghis Khan who is perhaps the most prolific mass murdered in history. Does that need to be brought up every time? Probably not. IF you are white and related to slave owners- okay. Pretty sure everyone has someone in their history who did something wrong.

We really need to get over this self flagellation as a country. It's incredibly tedious

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who care about this stuff are white people.

Lies and more lies. I watched a series of mostly black people testify recently in favor of changing Stuart's name in early June.

Cool. They can pay for it.

LMAO. +1

Black people had no role in choosing the bigoted name. If anything, the burden should fall entirely on the white people whose ancestors benefited from slave labor.

Anonymous wrote:We elected a pussy grabber. Bad behavior no longer precludes people from being admired and honored in this nation.

Bill Clinton?

Anonymous wrote:While we're at it, can we get rid of Rachel Carson? She is responsible for millions of deaths of African men, women and children.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/09/silent_spring_turns_50_biographer_william_souder_clears_up_myths_about_rachel_carson_.html

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Anonymous wrote:Hell to the no.

My ancestor is TJ and he may have owned slaves but *shrug* lots of people did back then. It's a reality of history.

I hope this current trend of erasure ends soon, because it's incredibly silly and dumb.

He was also a rapist.

You don't have to want to change these names. But to *shrug* about slavery. I really hope I don't know you in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who care about this stuff are white people.

Lies and more lies. I watched a series of mostly black people testify recently in favor of changing Stuart's name in early June.

Cool. They can pay for it.

LMAO. +1

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who care about this stuff are white people.

Lies and more lies. I watched a series of mostly black people testify recently in favor of changing Stuart's name in early June.

Cool. They can pay for it.

Washington DC has to go too. He owned tons of slaves.