Anonymous
07/08/2017 08:23
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers --- are you evaluated or judged by your boss based on the number of kids who pass exams? Seems like that would be a disincentive to teach at schools were kids start out being behind the curve.
We have to show growth on our SLO, not proficiency. If we are ever judged by proficiency, I am gone from my Title One school. It's a constant catch up game. Students come in below grade level and while they make good progress during the school year, they lose it every summer and then we start all over again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
How do they loose it?
I don't understand this. Maybe title 1 schools shouldn't have summer break.
It's lose, not loose. How do students lose the progress they made during the school year? They go home and play Xbox for 10-12 weeks. While your kids are going to the library and doing summer reading or just reading for fun, my students might read the back of a cereal box. While you send your kids to camp and go on vacations and trips to museums, etc, my students might go to Chuck E. Cheese or down the street to the park. Your kids might do summer workbooks or study math facts or do online summer work, my kids don't do the assigned summer work even when incentives are offered. They all have Internet access to our free online reading program but very few of them read online during the summer. This is the summer slide and it's worse for lower income students. This article is a few years old, but it is still very true today. "The conclusion: while students made similar progress during the school year, regardless of economic status, the better-off kids held steady or continued to make progress during the summer--but disadvantaged students fell back. By the end of grammar school, low-income students had fallen nearly three grade levels behind, and summer was the biggest culprit. By ninth grade, summer learning loss could be blamed for roughly two-thirds of the achievement gap separating income groups."
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2005863,00.html
So, no summer break. Got it.
Anonymous
07/08/2017 01:11
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a teacher my preference would be to teach in a solidly middle class school, but not upper middle class. Honestly, dealing with demanding parents can be just as much of a headache as dealing with the student behavior issues you deal with in low ses schools. And no, I don't care about the "treats" that the parents n the high SES schools dish out.
x10000
No bribe is enough to get me to teach at a high SES school.
If you can't deal with parents at a high SES school, it's unlikely you can deal effectively with students at lower SES schools. Glad you aren't at our school.
Trust me, your kid's teachers hate you.
Not the PP, but no - they don't. We're happy to have them, and they're happy to be there. We make sure to treat them very, very well and let them know that they are appreciated.
I'm surprised you didn't call them the help. You really are the worst.
And you really sound imbalanced. Please enlighten us: what's so awful about appreciating teachers?
+1. Whether PP is a teacher or just a parent, the giant chip on his/her shoulder when it comes to higher SES communities is obvious. Best to leave these people alone in the neighborhoods and schools where they don't feel so insecure.
There are multiple posters. Teachers would appreciate you teaching your kids there are consequences to their actions and to learn to handle their own probelms. Aside from that, the teacher doesn't want to hear from you.
Are you on something? No one here has any idea what you're blathering on about. Nor do we care.
I suppose you don't care that your children's teacher can't stand you either. Toodles...
You sound like one crazy bitch.
+1,000
Wouldn't you hate to have a parent like that in your class.
Anonymous
07/07/2017 20:04
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers --- are you evaluated or judged by your boss based on the number of kids who pass exams? Seems like that would be a disincentive to teach at schools were kids start out being behind the curve.
We have to show growth on our SLO, not proficiency. If we are ever judged by proficiency, I am gone from my Title One school. It's a constant catch up game. Students come in below grade level and while they make good progress during the school year, they lose it every summer and then we start all over again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
What's "SLO"? We are both teachers and assume you are referencing your personal goal, but can't figure out what that stands for.
Student Learning Objectives - it's a well-known term in teaching circles.
In other words, progress (even if not mastery or grade-level performance).
Anonymous
07/07/2017 19:26
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers --- are you evaluated or judged by your boss based on the number of kids who pass exams? Seems like that would be a disincentive to teach at schools were kids start out being behind the curve.
We have to show growth on our SLO, not proficiency. If we are ever judged by proficiency, I am gone from my Title One school. It's a constant catch up game. Students come in below grade level and while they make good progress during the school year, they lose it every summer and then we start all over again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
How do they loose it?
I don't understand this. Maybe title 1 schools shouldn't have summer break.
It's lose, not loose. How do students lose the progress they made during the school year? They go home and play Xbox for 10-12 weeks. While your kids are going to the library and doing summer reading or just reading for fun, my students might read the back of a cereal box. While you send your kids to camp and go on vacations and trips to museums, etc, my students might go to Chuck E. Cheese or down the street to the park. Your kids might do summer workbooks or study math facts or do online summer work, my kids don't do the assigned summer work even when incentives are offered. They all have Internet access to our free online reading program but very few of them read online during the summer. This is the summer slide and it's worse for lower income students. This article is a few years old, but it is still very true today. "The conclusion: while students made similar progress during the school year, regardless of economic status, the better-off kids held steady or continued to make progress during the summer--but disadvantaged students fell back. By the end of grammar school, low-income students had fallen nearly three grade levels behind, and summer was the biggest culprit. By ninth grade, summer learning loss could be blamed for roughly two-thirds of the achievement gap separating income groups."
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2005863,00.html
Anonymous
07/07/2017 19:19
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers --- are you evaluated or judged by your boss based on the number of kids who pass exams? Seems like that would be a disincentive to teach at schools were kids start out being behind the curve.
We have to show growth on our SLO, not proficiency. If we are ever judged by proficiency, I am gone from my Title One school. It's a constant catch up game. Students come in below grade level and while they make good progress during the school year, they lose it every summer and then we start all over again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
What's "SLO"? We are both teachers and assume you are referencing your personal goal, but can't figure out what that stands for.
Anonymous
07/07/2017 18:48
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers --- are you evaluated or judged by your boss based on the number of kids who pass exams? Seems like that would be a disincentive to teach at schools were kids start out being behind the curve.
We have to show growth on our SLO, not proficiency. If we are ever judged by proficiency, I am gone from my Title One school. It's a constant catch up game. Students come in below grade level and while they make good progress during the school year, they lose it every summer and then we start all over again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
How do they loose it?
I don't understand this. Maybe title 1 schools shouldn't have summer break.
Anonymous
07/07/2017 17:57
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Teachers --- are you evaluated or judged by your boss based on the number of kids who pass exams? Seems like that would be a disincentive to teach at schools were kids start out being behind the curve.
We have to show growth on our SLO, not proficiency. If we are ever judged by proficiency, I am gone from my Title One school. It's a constant catch up game. Students come in below grade level and while they make good progress during the school year, they lose it every summer and then we start all over again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Anonymous
07/07/2017 16:28
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Teachers --- are you evaluated or judged by your boss based on the number of kids who pass exams? Seems like that would be a disincentive to teach at schools were kids start out being behind the curve.
Anonymous
07/07/2017 16:25
Subject: Re:Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:In my current one it was less than 40 percent. Currently, after being here three years, my class has a nearly 80 percent pass rate. I worked like crazy and yes I look less competent when I taught in the wealthy district by people who judge teachers by test performance, but my work has doubled the amount of children who earned a verified credit. That's what drives me to continue to excel and work hard.
Yes, according to a lot of out-of-school administrators and bureaucrats and, unfortunately, many other teachers, you're only as smart as the students you teach.
Anonymous
07/07/2017 15:47
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a teacher my preference would be to teach in a solidly middle class school, but not upper middle class. Honestly, dealing with demanding parents can be just as much of a headache as dealing with the student behavior issues you deal with in low ses schools. And no, I don't care about the "treats" that the parents n the high SES schools dish out.
x10000
No bribe is enough to get me to teach at a high SES school.
If you can't deal with parents at a high SES school, it's unlikely you can deal effectively with students at lower SES schools. Glad you aren't at our school.
Trust me, your kid's teachers hate you.
Not the PP, but no - they don't. We're happy to have them, and they're happy to be there. We make sure to treat them very, very well and let them know that they are appreciated.
I'm surprised you didn't call them the help. You really are the worst.
And you really sound imbalanced. Please enlighten us: what's so awful about appreciating teachers?
+1. Whether PP is a teacher or just a parent, the giant chip on his/her shoulder when it comes to higher SES communities is obvious. Best to leave these people alone in the neighborhoods and schools where they don't feel so insecure.
There are multiple posters. Teachers would appreciate you teaching your kids there are consequences to their actions and to learn to handle their own probelms. Aside from that, the teacher doesn't want to hear from you.
Are you on something? No one here has any idea what you're blathering on about. Nor do we care.
I suppose you don't care that your children's teacher can't stand you either. Toodles...
You sound like one crazy bitch.
Anonymous
07/07/2017 15:11
Subject: Re:Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
I taught in wealthy high schools and work in a high poverty one now. I find my job much more fulfilling and interesting working in the high poverty school. I feel there is more of a need for my expertise in connecting math concepts to real life learning than I did when I worked at the wealthy school. In my old school over 90 percent passed the Alg. 1 SOL. Even sections with a long term sub who was clueless, the kids clocked pass rates in the 90's.
In my current one it was less than 40 percent. Currently, after being here three years, my class has a nearly 80 percent pass rate. I worked like crazy and yes I look less competent when I taught in the wealthy district by people who judge teachers by test performance, but my work has doubled the amount of children who earned a verified credit. That's what drives me to continue to excel and work hard. The kids are immigrants and poor and need that credit to graduate. Yes, they aren't asking for recommendations to UVA, but talking to the kids about career options and community college and social services support for healthcare (many don't have any) feels important to me.
My wealthy school had plenty-o-issues in the behavior department, btw. It was different stuff, but high school kids can be difficult regardless of where they are from economically.
In my current one it was less than 40 percent. Currently, after being here three years, my class has a nearly 80 percent pass rate. I worked like crazy and yes I look less competent when I taught in the wealthy district by people who judge teachers by test performance, but my work has doubled the amount of children who earned a verified credit. That's what drives me to continue to excel and work hard. The kids are immigrants and poor and need that credit to graduate. Yes, they aren't asking for recommendations to UVA, but talking to the kids about career options and community college and social services support for healthcare (many don't have any) feels important to me.
My wealthy school had plenty-o-issues in the behavior department, btw. It was different stuff, but high school kids can be difficult regardless of where they are from economically.
Anonymous
07/07/2017 14:50
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a teacher my preference would be to teach in a solidly middle class school, but not upper middle class. Honestly, dealing with demanding parents can be just as much of a headache as dealing with the student behavior issues you deal with in low ses schools. And no, I don't care about the "treats" that the parents n the high SES schools dish out.
x10000
No bribe is enough to get me to teach at a high SES school.
If you can't deal with parents at a high SES school, it's unlikely you can deal effectively with students at lower SES schools. Glad you aren't at our school.
Trust me, your kid's teachers hate you.
Not the PP, but no - they don't. We're happy to have them, and they're happy to be there. We make sure to treat them very, very well and let them know that they are appreciated.
I'm surprised you didn't call them the help. You really are the worst.
And you really sound imbalanced. Please enlighten us: what's so awful about appreciating teachers?
+1. Whether PP is a teacher or just a parent, the giant chip on his/her shoulder when it comes to higher SES communities is obvious. Best to leave these people alone in the neighborhoods and schools where they don't feel so insecure.
There are multiple posters. Teachers would appreciate you teaching your kids there are consequences to their actions and to learn to handle their own probelms. Aside from that, the teacher doesn't want to hear from you.
Are you on something? No one here has any idea what you're blathering on about. Nor do we care.
I suppose you don't care that your children's teacher can't stand you either. Toodles...
Anonymous
07/07/2017 00:45
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a teacher my preference would be to teach in a solidly middle class school, but not upper middle class. Honestly, dealing with demanding parents can be just as much of a headache as dealing with the student behavior issues you deal with in low ses schools. And no, I don't care about the "treats" that the parents n the high SES schools dish out.
x10000
No bribe is enough to get me to teach at a high SES school.
If you can't deal with parents at a high SES school, it's unlikely you can deal effectively with students at lower SES schools. Glad you aren't at our school.
Trust me, your kid's teachers hate you.
Not the PP, but no - they don't. We're happy to have them, and they're happy to be there. We make sure to treat them very, very well and let them know that they are appreciated.
I'm surprised you didn't call them the help. You really are the worst.
And you really sound imbalanced. Please enlighten us: what's so awful about appreciating teachers?
+1. Whether PP is a teacher or just a parent, the giant chip on his/her shoulder when it comes to higher SES communities is obvious. Best to leave these people alone in the neighborhoods and schools where they don't feel so insecure.
There are multiple posters. Teachers would appreciate you teaching your kids there are consequences to their actions and to learn to handle their own probelms. Aside from that, the teacher doesn't want to hear from you.
Are you on something? No one here has any idea what you're blathering on about. Nor do we care.
Anonymous
07/07/2017 00:43
Subject: Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a teacher my preference would be to teach in a solidly middle class school, but not upper middle class. Honestly, dealing with demanding parents can be just as much of a headache as dealing with the student behavior issues you deal with in low ses schools. And no, I don't care about the "treats" that the parents n the high SES schools dish out.
x10000
No bribe is enough to get me to teach at a high SES school.
If you can't deal with parents at a high SES school, it's unlikely you can deal effectively with students at lower SES schools. Glad you aren't at our school.
Trust me, your kid's teachers hate you.
Not the PP, but no - they don't. We're happy to have them, and they're happy to be there. We make sure to treat them very, very well and let them know that they are appreciated.
I'm surprised you didn't call them the help. You really are the worst.
And you really sound imbalanced. Please enlighten us: what's so awful about appreciating teachers?
+1. Whether PP is a teacher or just a parent, the giant chip on his/her shoulder when it comes to higher SES communities is obvious. Best to leave these people alone in the neighborhoods and schools where they don't feel so insecure.
+2
Anonymous
07/06/2017 23:23
Subject: Re:Do HS teachers prefer certain schools in FCPS (i.e. higher SES schools)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/05/21/fairfax-countys-stuart-high-struggles-on-teacher-survey/?utm_term=.7c65795860bf
Doesn't seem like a whole lot of correlation between SES and satisfaction here. McLean did well but Falls Church did even better if you factor in the leadership effectiveness score. Both Madison and Oakton were outscored by Lee, West Potomac and Centerville.
When you look at the overall teacher satisfaction ratings, the higher SES schools tended to be ranked higher, with Falls Church an obvious outlier. The lowest ranked schools in the last survey were mostly lower SES high schools (e.g., Annandale, Edison, Herndon, Stuart).