Anonymous wrote:But the hospital in this story is not some little place in podunk. Monmouth hospital is a large teaching hospital.

Hence, the OVER-interference with normal (and boring) deliveries. Students don't want to sit quietly and wait for the baby to be born.

They want action!!

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Right, show me the well designed clinical trial showing that better POSTURE will reduce maternal mortality.

Also the second stage of labor is the stage you push, so that's where pelvic injury would happen. And obviously there can still be damage in a short labor. If you really want to avoid it, get a c section.

NP here. I actually thought it was pretty well-established that many pelvic floor issues are the result of pregnancy itself, not L&D. Given that sometimes people who have c-sections get them, there has to be ways other than vaginal delivery that cause it. FWIW, I'm 10 mos PP with my second, pushed 3+ hours with both kids, and I do not leak pee.

But the hospital in this story is not some little place in podunk. Monmouth hospital is a large teaching hospital.

This is why I would never want to deliver in some podunk medical facility somewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:The mortality/morbity is just ONE aspect of how they don't care about moms.

How about the complete lack of research/medical attention to pelvic floor issues post vaginal birth? PT could help a lot of people with these issues (like prolapse) if they caught it in the months right after giving birth, instead we just have a culture where women laugh about how we'll never sneeze without peeing again for the rest of our lives.

Oh for god sake give it a rest. Pretty sure you are the same person posting about their pelvic floor troubles on EVERY single thread here.

actually you are the troll, trolling women who have suffered childbirth injuries! what is the matter with you? why on earth would you troll this of all things?

I still don't know why you don't just start your own thread about pelvic floor issues. You obviously have a lot to say. Do you not know how or something?

This thread is about how the current medical system does not take maternal health into account. I wonder what it is about talking about childbirth injuries that makes you want to bully other women.

1) there are at least 2 people responding to you. I wonder what it is about internet discussion boards that makes you take everything personally?
2) do you enjoy gaslighting in other contexts, or is it just this particular issue?
3) are you the person who regularly chimes into all threads about birth with your concern about pelvic floor issues? If so, are you a researcher who is studying this, or a woman who experienced pelvic floor injury during pregnancy and childbirth? If not, then what is your connection to this issue? You seem very fixated on it for someone with no skin in the game.

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Anonymous wrote:^yes there are a few harpies trolling these threads to make sure everyone knows how dangerous, painful, damaging etc childbirth is and how midwives and natural birth advocates are poisoning the medical establishment. We should all get inductions and c-sections and call it a day (except that they're not actually making birth safer, as in the case of this woman who died anyway).

did you read the article?

I read the article. I'm not the PP. The article clearly describes a situation in which all the "modern medicine" available - you know, the kind the trolls say we should all take advantage of because it's not a contest and you don't get a prize for skipping the epidural or being skeptical of the induction and we should all just listen to our doctors - didn't catch a very common problem and a woman died as a result. The problem is not "the medical establishment" - the problem is that professionals of all types cut corners, often with very dire consequences, and when better models of care exist, it takes a long time to adopt them, usually because it is expensive to do so. This woman died because her hospital staff ratios were large enough that the direness of her situation was missed until it was too late and by that point, the best case scenario was impossible to achieve because the hospital itself didn't have the necessary supplies to enact it. Then there was a total failure of accountability, leaving the obvious conclusion that this will absolutely happen again glaringly on the table.

I appreciate induction protocols and safe c-sections. They are often life saving. But one cannot ignore the patient in front of them in favor of relying on the technology alone. The patient experience is still important and overreliance on technology glosses over that experience. This woman was a trained nurse. She could've articulated her experience better than anyone on this thread. Her experience was ignored by people she worked with. If that happened to her, what do you think would happen to a nobody like you when you ended up in her position?

I was shocked with my postpartum care. Postpartum care was severely lacking from the lack of sleep after 3 days of labor to no one even asking how I was doing. No one ever looked at my stitches that got very infected and my rectal prolapse. The 4 week postpartum appointment was really short too.

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Anonymous wrote:The mortality/morbity is just ONE aspect of how they don't care about moms.

How about the complete lack of research/medical attention to pelvic floor issues post vaginal birth? PT could help a lot of people with these issues (like prolapse) if they caught it in the months right after giving birth, instead we just have a culture where women laugh about how we'll never sneeze without peeing again for the rest of our lives.

Oh for god sake give it a rest. Pretty sure you are the same person posting about their pelvic floor troubles on EVERY single thread here.

actually you are the troll, trolling women who have suffered childbirth injuries! what is the matter with you? why on earth would you troll this of all things?

I still don't know why you don't just start your own thread about pelvic floor issues. You obviously have a lot to say. Do you not know how or something?

This thread is about how the current medical system does not take maternal health into account. I wonder what it is about talking about childbirth injuries that makes you want to bully other women.

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Anonymous wrote:The mortality/morbity is just ONE aspect of how they don't care about moms.

How about the complete lack of research/medical attention to pelvic floor issues post vaginal birth? PT could help a lot of people with these issues (like prolapse) if they caught it in the months right after giving birth, instead we just have a culture where women laugh about how we'll never sneeze without peeing again for the rest of our lives.

Oh for god sake give it a rest. Pretty sure you are the same person posting about their pelvic floor troubles on EVERY single thread here.

actually you are the troll, trolling women who have suffered childbirth injuries! what is the matter with you? why on earth would you troll this of all things?

I still don't know why you don't just start your own thread about pelvic floor issues. You obviously have a lot to say. Do you not know how or something?

Anonymous wrote:^yes there are a few harpies trolling these threads to make sure everyone knows how dangerous, painful, damaging etc childbirth is and how midwives and natural birth advocates are poisoning the medical establishment. We should all get inductions and c-sections and call it a day (except that they're not actually making birth safer, as in the case of this woman who died anyway).

did you read the article?

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Anonymous wrote:The mortality/morbity is just ONE aspect of how they don't care about moms.

How about the complete lack of research/medical attention to pelvic floor issues post vaginal birth? PT could help a lot of people with these issues (like prolapse) if they caught it in the months right after giving birth, instead we just have a culture where women laugh about how we'll never sneeze without peeing again for the rest of our lives.

Oh for god sake give it a rest. Pretty sure you are the same person posting about their pelvic floor troubles on EVERY single thread here.

actually you are the troll, trolling women who have suffered childbirth injuries! what is the matter with you? why on earth would you troll this of all things?

Anonymous wrote:^yes there are a few harpies trolling these threads to make sure everyone knows how dangerous, painful, damaging etc childbirth is and how midwives and natural birth advocates are poisoning the medical establishment. We should all get inductions and c-sections and call it a day (except that they're not actually making birth safer, as in the case of this woman who died anyway).

Wow. Just wow. So it's the woman's fault she died?

^yes there are a few harpies trolling these threads to make sure everyone knows how dangerous, painful, damaging etc childbirth is and how midwives and natural birth advocates are poisoning the medical establishment. We should all get inductions and c-sections and call it a day (except that they're not actually making birth safer, as in the case of this woman who died anyway).

Anonymous wrote:The mortality/morbity is just ONE aspect of how they don't care about moms.

How about the complete lack of research/medical attention to pelvic floor issues post vaginal birth? PT could help a lot of people with these issues (like prolapse) if they caught it in the months right after giving birth, instead we just have a culture where women laugh about how we'll never sneeze without peeing again for the rest of our lives.

Oh for god sake give it a rest. Pretty sure you are the same person posting about their pelvic floor troubles on EVERY single thread here.

Anonymous wrote:I find this article frustrating.

It's poorly organized, with the appalling medical policy stuff buried among paragraphs of the tearjerker story. It's horrible, what happened to that family, but I think that including the whole back story of it really detracts from the substance of the article.

I think that most women receive totally inadequate postpartum care. The women who get great postpartum care seem to almost always arrange it themselves. Women hire postpartum doulas and night nurses to help them after the baby is born. Medically, we are basically on our own between discharge and a follow up appointment in 6 weeks. If something develops between discharge and 6 weeks, it's on us to notice it, and most of us do not have the medical training to do so. People spend months talking about how incoherent and exhausting the newborn phase is, and I think that most women are totally unprepared for real complications.

I wish the article had focused more on that and less on extreme medical issues in the hospital.

Lol have you ever read a news article before? Most follow this pattern.