Anonymous wrote:Jail is too god for them.

I mean, at least the Koch's are patriotic and love this country. But what Mercer is doing is treasonous.

I think the Kochs are exactly as terrible as the Mercers.

Jail is too god for them.

I mean, at least the Koch's are patriotic and love this country. But what Mercer is doing is treasonous.

Anonymous wrote:And, this is why Bannon needs to be out of our government and the British technology firm, Campbridge Analytica, needs to have its new contracts with the Pentagon and State Department cancelled asap.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

This is an important read, long but necessary.

I wonder how many of the Trumpies who post on here and who claim to be PhDs or otherwise so intelligent can actually read that entire article. I think that's too many words for them.

In a just world, Robert Mercer and Steve Bannon will rot in jail.

And, this is why Bannon needs to be out of our government and the British technology firm, Campbridge Analytica, needs to have its new contracts with the Pentagon and State Department cancelled asap.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

This is an important read, long but necessary.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, do you think all of these things were working independent of each other? I mean, come on, it is too much for coincidence, isn't it?

It depends by what you mean by "all of these things". Some of the things that have been discussed in this thread I don't think happened. As I noted, I don't see a reason to hack voter rolls when they are easily obtained legally. I don't know if Facebook profiles were hacked -- that seems like it would be a pretty significant event that Facebook would be legally required to disclose. But, if they were, I doubt the data was transferred by a server owned by the Trump Organization. Is it likely that Mercer undertook actions to influence the election? Undoubtedly. Did the Russians engage in actions to influence the elections? It seems likely. Were there connections between Trump, his associates and the Russians? Clearly. Were all of these things happening due to strings Putin was pulling? I don't think so.

Foreign entities can legally access our voter rolls? Even with paperwork that doesn't seem right or legal (though I'm too lazy to go look and see if it is legal).

In some states public records laws apply only to residents of the state. For example, in Virginia only Virginians can submit public records requests. But there's nothing to keep a resident from turning over the information to a foreign entity once it's acquired.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, do you think all of these things were working independent of each other? I mean, come on, it is too much for coincidence, isn't it?

It depends by what you mean by "all of these things". Some of the things that have been discussed in this thread I don't think happened. As I noted, I don't see a reason to hack voter rolls when they are easily obtained legally. I don't know if Facebook profiles were hacked -- that seems like it would be a pretty significant event that Facebook would be legally required to disclose. But, if they were, I doubt the data was transferred by a server owned by the Trump Organization. Is it likely that Mercer undertook actions to influence the election? Undoubtedly. Did the Russians engage in actions to influence the elections? It seems likely. Were there connections between Trump, his associates and the Russians? Clearly. Were all of these things happening due to strings Putin was pulling? I don't think so.

Foreign entities can legally access our voter rolls? Even with paperwork that doesn't seem right or legal (though I'm too lazy to go look and see if it is legal).

PP here.

I disagree. I think it was coordinated with many willing participants.

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, do you think all of these things were working independent of each other? I mean, come on, it is too much for coincidence, isn't it?

It depends by what you mean by "all of these things". Some of the things that have been discussed in this thread I don't think happened. As I noted, I don't see a reason to hack voter rolls when they are easily obtained legally. I don't know if Facebook profiles were hacked -- that seems like it would be a pretty significant event that Facebook would be legally required to disclose. But, if they were, I doubt the data was transferred by a server owned by the Trump Organization. Is it likely that Mercer undertook actions to influence the election? Undoubtedly. Did the Russians engage in actions to influence the elections? It seems likely. Were there connections between Trump, his associates and the Russians? Clearly. Were all of these things happening due to strings Putin was pulling? I don't think so.

Jeff, do you think all of these things were working independent of each other? I mean, come on, it is too much for coincidence, isn't it?

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This twitter thread wraps it up nicely: https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/848635968378863616

Jeff, I will be interested in your opinion on this.

It's game theory guy.

I'm not buying any unified theory. All of these things may have happened, but I don't accept that they were orchestrated by the same group. That's too illuminati-ish for me.

I don't buy into a unified theory either but in this case, it doesn't take a grand Illuminati conspiracy. Robert Mercer, with Cambridge Analytica is unto himself a massive and scary force and presence. Add to that, the Russian FSB/mob stuff which may be independent of Mercer and Cambridge Analytica and which may also have worked independently in pockets across Trump's business affairs, Manafort, Flynn, et cetera - but which still aligned in terms of outcome. No grand global conspiracy needed.

Exactly, that's more my thinking as well.

No less depressing.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This twitter thread wraps it up nicely: https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/848635968378863616

Jeff, I will be interested in your opinion on this.

It's game theory guy.

I'm not buying any unified theory. All of these things may have happened, but I don't accept that they were orchestrated by the same group. That's too illuminati-ish for me.

I don't buy into a unified theory either but in this case, it doesn't take a grand Illuminati conspiracy. Robert Mercer, with Cambridge Analytica is unto himself a massive and scary force and presence. Add to that, the Russian FSB/mob stuff which may be independent of Mercer and Cambridge Analytica and which may also have worked independently in pockets across Trump's business affairs, Manafort, Flynn, et cetera - but which still aligned in terms of outcome. No grand global conspiracy needed.

Exactly, that's more my thinking as well.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This twitter thread wraps it up nicely: https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/848635968378863616

Jeff, I will be interested in your opinion on this.

It's game theory guy.

I'm not buying any unified theory. All of these things may have happened, but I don't accept that they were orchestrated by the same group. That's too illuminati-ish for me.

I don't buy into a unified theory either but in this case, it doesn't take a grand Illuminati conspiracy. Robert Mercer, with Cambridge Analytica is unto himself a massive and scary force and presence. Add to that, the Russian FSB/mob stuff which may be independent of Mercer and Cambridge Analytica and which may also have worked independently in pockets across Trump's business affairs, Manafort, Flynn, et cetera - but which still aligned in terms of outcome. No grand global conspiracy needed.

Anonymous wrote:This twitter thread wraps it up nicely: https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/848635968378863616

Jeff, I will be interested in your opinion on this.

It's game theory guy.

I'm not buying any unified theory. All of these things may have happened, but I don't accept that they were orchestrated by the same group. That's too illuminati-ish for me.

Anonymous wrote:This twitter thread wraps it up nicely: https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/848635968378863616

Jeff, I will be interested in your opinion on this.

Tech, billionaires and social media capturing freedom and destroying democracy perfectly describes Cambridge Analytica and Robert Mercer in a nutshell.

This twitter thread wraps it up nicely: https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/848635968378863616

Jeff, I will be interested in your opinion on this.