Anonymous
03/04/2017 10:04
Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
I'm a little concerned that trump is tweeting about a classified FISA warrant. Is the entire investigation involving the warrant now made unclassified by POTUS tweeting
Anonymous
03/04/2017 10:03
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
At this point Jeff, wouldn't Trump know from IC that his phones were tapped? And as such, he would be confirming it?
If in fact, he is basing this back to Mensch's theories, then is crazy for giving them any credence, even if they are true.
If in fact, he is basing this back to Mensch's theories, then is crazy for giving them any credence, even if they are true.
jsteele
03/04/2017 09:54
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Anonymous wrote:The tweets stem from an article Trump read on Breitbart.
The president seems to be admitting that he was the personal target of a government investigation into whether he was colluding with a hostile power;
There's no illegality by the Obama administration, since any wiretaps were approved by FISA courts, or conversations were picked up by signal intelligence collection.
Again, I want to raise the same issues as my earlier post:
1) The Breitbart article sourced the FISA warrant allegations to Louise Mensch. As far as I know, nobody other than Mensch has reported that FISA warrants were issued;
2) Therefore, if Trump is relying on Breitbart/Mensch, he may be incorrect about wire taps.
It is interesting that both people on the left and people on the right are embracing Mensch's theories, though for separate reasons. The left wants to highlight FISA warrants as evidence of Trump campaign wrong-doing whereas the right wants to use them to illustrate government (i.e. Obama) overreach. But, neither group is putting much effort into confirming Mensch's reporting which I for one don't have much faith in.
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:53
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone with legal ease explain this to me and whether if it is true was it legal for Obama to do so?
I don't think you need legalese to understand that a FISA warrant is only granted, by a judge, if there's sufficient evidence that a US citizen is working against US interests.
OK. Let's say that the Obama administration had some such evidence. They got the warrant. They tapped the phones. They collected the conversations and such.
Whatever they gathered still exists, unless it was destroyed by the previous administration.
-What did they collect and where is it?
-If it was destroyed, why?
And, if the Obama administration did this, they must not have found anything actionable or incriminating because we would certainly know about it. This is not something they would keep under wraps.
So, we can assume they found nothing actionable. Which begs the question - what was this "sufficient evidence" they had to begin with?
This all smells pretty fishy to me.
That's not how any of this works.
Then, please enlighten us as to how it works.
For starters, the FBI taps phones, not the president.
Second of all, just because you, ignorant American citizen, don't know what they discovered doesn't mean they didn't discover anything.
Oh, please. You think that if they found something, it would be kept under wraps? You don't think anything found wouldn't have been shared with Obama?
Again, just because you don't know it doesn't mean they and Obama don't know it. I'm sure they have plenty and they're just working on building an airtight mountain of evidence knowing they get one shot at convincing congress to impeach. They're making it impossible to deny any of this.
That is one hell of a conspiracy theory.
We don't need a conspiracy theory when there are actual ongoing investigations.
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:51
Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Anonymous wrote:Trump is cornered and has no problems starting a civil war to save his ass.
I'm actually willing to believe that the people around him are the ones that put him in this hole. They didn't realize he's crazy enough to dig.
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:50
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Anonymous wrote:The delusion that Obama is never involved with the workings of the government when he was the Chief Executive is childish and moronic.
Obama was never involved with the workings of the government when he was the Chief Executive. He was too busy flying to Hawaii and playing golf all of the time!
You make this claim, but you realize Donald has taken more vacation time and spent more money in a month than Obama did in a year, right?
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:46
Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Trump is cornered and has no problems starting a civil war to save his ass.
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:45
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump has lost his mind. Obama doesn't tap phones.
Except Angela Merkle's phone was tapped by Obama...
Educate yourself.
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:43
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10407282/Barack-Obama-approved-tapping-Angela-Merkels-phone-3-years-ago.html
By Philip Sherwell, New York and Louise Barnett in Berlin
6:18PM GMT 27 Oct 2013
President Barack Obama was told about monitoring of German Chancellor in 2010 and allowed it to continue, says German newspaper
President Barack Obama was dragged into the trans-Atlantic spying row after it was claimed he personally authorised the monitoring of Angela Merkel’s phone three years ago.
The president allegedly allowed US intelligence to listen to calls from the German Chancellor’s mobile phone after he was briefed on the operation by Keith Alexander, director of the National Security Agency (NSA), in 2010.
Again. The FBI was listening to Merkel, not Obama.
The delusion that Obama is never involved with the workings of the government when he was the Chief Executive is childish and moronic.
Who said he wasn't involved? He's not the one listening to phone conversations. Do you really not understand that distinction?
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:42
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
The tweets stem from an article Trump read on Breitbart.
The president seems to be admitting that he was the personal target of a government investigation into whether he was colluding with a hostile power;
There's no illegality by the Obama administration, since any wiretaps were approved by FISA courts, or conversations were picked up by signal intelligence collection.
The president seems to be admitting that he was the personal target of a government investigation into whether he was colluding with a hostile power;
There's no illegality by the Obama administration, since any wiretaps were approved by FISA courts, or conversations were picked up by signal intelligence collection.
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:37
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10407282/Barack-Obama-approved-tapping-Angela-Merkels-phone-3-years-ago.html
By Philip Sherwell, New York and Louise Barnett in Berlin
6:18PM GMT 27 Oct 2013
President Barack Obama was told about monitoring of German Chancellor in 2010 and allowed it to continue, says German newspaper
President Barack Obama was dragged into the trans-Atlantic spying row after it was claimed he personally authorised the monitoring of Angela Merkel’s phone three years ago.
The president allegedly allowed US intelligence to listen to calls from the German Chancellor’s mobile phone after he was briefed on the operation by Keith Alexander, director of the National Security Agency (NSA), in 2010.
Again. The FBI was listening to Merkel, not Obama.
The delusion that Obama is never involved with the workings of the government when he was the Chief Executive is childish and moronic.
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:35
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Watching this unfold is like reading a spy novel. Except reality is stranger than fiction. It'd be so fascinating if it wasn't happening to our country.
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:30
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Anonymous wrote:Actually this is another Trump ploy to make people question whatever information does come out.
+1
Stay focused on Kushner's and Trump's ties to Russia.
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:29
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Anonymous wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10407282/Barack-Obama-approved-tapping-Angela-Merkels-phone-3-years-ago.html
By Philip Sherwell, New York and Louise Barnett in Berlin
6:18PM GMT 27 Oct 2013
President Barack Obama was told about monitoring of German Chancellor in 2010 and allowed it to continue, says German newspaper
President Barack Obama was dragged into the trans-Atlantic spying row after it was claimed he personally authorised the monitoring of Angela Merkel’s phone three years ago.
The president allegedly allowed US intelligence to listen to calls from the German Chancellor’s mobile phone after he was briefed on the operation by Keith Alexander, director of the National Security Agency (NSA), in 2010.
Again. The FBI was listening to Merkel, not Obama.
Anonymous
03/04/2017 09:29
Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower
Actually this is another Trump ploy to make people question whatever information does come out.