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Anonymous wrote:If the children are required to say it, the teacher should say it as well. That's just basic respect. This idea that "I don't have to follow rules if I don't agree with them" is infecting our culture. My family members served in the military. They didn't agree with many of the rules, but you can't have everyone making it up as they go along. Following rules is what makes us civilized. The teacher is entitled to free speech, but not at school where the rules require saying the pledge, unless you've taken a (real) religious exemption.

ITA. I don't think that the Pledge of Allegiance is even religious. If someone doesn't want to say "under God" then they don't have to say those two words.

It is religious as long at "under God" is in the pledge regardless if someone doesn't say those two words- they are still in the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America (not religious)

and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation (not religious)

under God (the only religious words - don't say them if you don't want to)

indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. (not religious)


Teaching our public school kids in this country is a privilege, not a right. And, yes, if you are going to be teaching in a United States school then you should absolutely be a loyal American whose allegiance is to the United States of America and who believes in liberty and justice for all citizens in this country.

I really don't want someone with an allegiance to England (or wherever else) teaching my kids while secretly hoping that the kids in "their" country learn more than mine do. That would be a pretty big conflict of interest.

Please be a troll. Please. No one can be this awful and stupid.

I know-maybe we should reinstate the committee on in-American activities?

Ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

The bottom line is that a teacher vested in the well being of America is going to put more effort into teaching young American children than a English citizen vested in the well being of England. I suppose you will need a multi million dollar study to prove that though .

PP, you seem to be carefully avoiding the constitutional issues involved. Does the Constitution not matter to you?

The Constitution applies to U.S. citizens. Of course it matters.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

The bottom line is that a teacher vested in the well being of America is going to put more effort into teaching young American children than a English citizen vested in the well being of England. I suppose you will need a multi million dollar study to prove that though .

PP, you seem to be carefully avoiding the constitutional issues involved. Does the Constitution not matter to you?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

The bottom line is that a teacher vested in the well being of America is going to put more effort into teaching young American children than a English citizen vested in the well being of England. I suppose you will need a multi million dollar study to prove that though .

Anonymous wrote:My husband served his country in the military.

I serve my fellow country men and women by donating my time to veterans, working with at risk children, and supporting charities that help fellow citizens.

I try to buy American when possible.

I pick up litter on the sidewalk to better my community and the earth.

I am a good citizen who follows the law and educates herself and her child on our constitution and our basic rights to each other and ourselves.

I didn't say the Pledge, my child does not say the Pledge, my husband does not and did not say the pledge.

We feel actions are more important than stupid, meaningless, rote, inaccurate and forced words.

I guess we are bad Americans with no loyalty to our country then a few of the PPs DOn't care.

O.k. what is so objectionable about standing in a crowd of your fellow Americans and saying the Pledge of Allegiance or putting your hand over your heart when you hear "Star Spangled Banner"? For me, it is always a moment of national pride and unity with one another. I wish their were more times like that actually.

Of course you can be the family in the crowd who opts out and doesn't participate in "rote" words. But it's kind of like being the one person standing around a birthday cake and not singing "Happy Birthday". It's not that you don't like the birthday kid or anything - you just think that the birthday song is a stupid tradition.

Yes, it is certainly your right to do that. For that matter, saying the pledge or singing the Happy Birthday song doesn't even mean that you are, in fact, a loyal American or that you even like the Birthday kid or think that he's "Dear" - ugh.

Wow: here as in so many other recent threads the 'give these Orange-Nation people a chance' just seems more and more pointless!!! As others have noted - this selection has seemed to have unleashed those in the vocal minority - that, sadly like their president concurs, that the laws and protections of our country only apply to these orangers' view of the world, thus insist that one must pledge allegiance or be denied citizenship - no matter that the Supreme Court tells us no (and they insist that this pledge puts us all 'under God' yet when this-in their minds-God-aligned Country/Court goes against their beliefs well than they are allowed to impose their own rights and rules. The US does not work that way but I think these people will find a more amenable system under their Dear Leader's BFF Putin.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

Thank you. I was about to say the same thing. PP - you need some oxygen. It's clear you are not getting enough of it.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

My husband served his country in the military.

I serve my fellow country men and women by donating my time to veterans, working with at risk children, and supporting charities that help fellow citizens.

I try to buy American when possible.

I pick up litter on the sidewalk to better my community and the earth.

I am a good citizen who follows the law and educates herself and her child on our constitution and our basic rights to each other and ourselves.

I didn't say the Pledge, my child does not say the Pledge, my husband does not and did not say the pledge.

We feel actions are more important than stupid, meaningless, rote, inaccurate and forced words.

I guess we are bad Americans with no loyalty to our country then a few of the PPs DOn't care.

^I think the pledge is said every day as a daily reminder to our kids that we are all united as Americans. Not a bad message really.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

Not saying the pledge, in the case of Jehovah's Witnesses and many others, doesn't mean you are secretly hoping another country does well academically (or militarily or whatever).

Educated citizens understand the rights under The Constitution. By the way, just out of curiosity, why do you think it needs to be said everyday? I mean, a pledge should last longer than 24 hours, right?

I support freedom of religion, I had just never heard that about Jehova's witnesses. Their objection to saying the pledge of allegiance is not rooted in an allegiance to another country.

I do think that a teacher/citizen from Switzerland, for example, would have an allegiance to Switzerland as opposed to the U.S.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

Not saying the pledge, in the case of Jehovah's Witnesses and many others, doesn't mean you are secretly hoping another country does well academically (or militarily or whatever).

Educated citizens understand the rights under The Constitution. By the way, just out of curiosity, why do you think it needs to be said everyday? I mean, a pledge should last longer than 24 hours, right?

Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

Anonymous wrote:I dont have kids in school yet but I thought schools didnt say the pledge every morning anymore?

My daughter's class does-wait for it-in Spanish.

There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this