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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone found any additional reporting of this in mainstream or even somewhat close to mainstream media?

It was posted above, but:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/iran-brothers-travel-ban-ali-vayeghan.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

That article does not say that CPB is refusing to follow a court order, or that the US Marshals are refusing to enforce the court order.

They are refusing service of the orders, which is essentially the same thing. It's the "Gee, how can I comply with something I never saw?"

Why are these law enforcement officials OK with behaving this way? Are they afraid to lose their jobs like the acting AG? Time for more heroes to stand up for what is right.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

Well, if you're going to quote a liberal rag like Forbes...

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

While I believe this is actually happening, I don't understand why its not being picked up by MSM. It's a huuuuge story. Can someone more involved with the situation explain what's going on with the press? Are there journalists trying to report this story and just still putting together the details?

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

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Anonymous wrote:So I am a legal green card holder not from one of the seven countries flying through LAX the next two weeks. Not brown, yellow. At this point should all gc holders play it safe and just cancel their trips.

Honestly? Yes. The rumors are the next round of immigration-related EOs will focus on non-Muslims and they are going to start kicking out people who they deem as threatening to US jobs and anyone who's received any type of publication assistance. You may think that doesn't apply to you but without details on how they are defining things or how broad they are going I'd play it safe.

I think you meant public. I also heard on the news that immigrants who are on public assistance will be removed. What I did not understand was removed from the country or removed from public assistance. I only caught bits and pieces. It was on Fox News. I watch them all to balance myself out, and then I go to CSPAN.

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No people on DCUM were saying it. Something like it's not law it's just a suggestive statute but if the president doesn't really want to follow it he doesn't have to. It was on the original EO thread.

I also heard it being discussed on local public radio yesterday. I'm in California. I'm assuming those people don't read DCUM, so it's likely a broader conversation.

I'm reposting this from another thread. This is what it will look like if CPB is flouting the order. I trust that ACLU will be on top of it:

"The ACLU goes back before the judge whose order is being apparently ignored. They will seek an order finding CBP and DHS in contempt.

If the judge finds merit to this argument, she (or he) may issue and order to show cause why the top officers of whatever section of CBP, the acting head of CBP and the head of DHS should not be held in contempt.

The DOJ lawyers (probably present on DCUM) will hem and haw and talk about national security, executive action, separation of powers and a whole bunch of BS. They will say that these folks cannot be bothered with something as trite as this hearing.

The judge will listen and grant them 10 days to show cause.

On day 9 something else will happen.

Or, these guys will flout the order and the judge will compel personal appearances so that he/she may question those folk. If no cause is shown, she/he may order their detention until such time as the order is complied with.

The dedicated DOJ will then ask for a stay until such time as the matter can be appealed. It will be granted.

In the end, though, nothing will happen. Judges are really reluctant to jail administration officials. That's too bad."

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Anonymous wrote:It's one thing for me to sit here, in my home,candidate marvel at how our government is failing to operate properly. But people are being seriously affected by this. And the lawlessness is still going on. It's not stopping.

Isn't amazing that we have voters who supported a man on the message of law and order who himself has broken laws and norms on a regular basis and now leads the United States and is flouting laws and norms.

Business interests, emoluments, collusion with a foriegn state to steal information used in an election (ie Watergate on streoids), NDA's for Congressional staffers (is that even legal? They are paid out of the US treasury), separation of powers being eroded.

Seriously, when did all of this become okay? How did we digress so quickly - It's been 11 days now.

You would think it's amazing, but no, it doesn't surprise me. Trumpsters have shown they are ok with hypocrisy as long as it supports their cause. Racism, hate and love of money has taken away all reasoning and critical thinking skills.

I also think the fake news component cannot be underestimated. There was a poster a couple days ago blathering on about abiding by "Marbury vs. Madison" not being required to uphold the Constitution, and now I'm hearing it more and more. They are getting their talking points from some extreme RW source and then bringing them into the mainstream. Trump could convert these people's homes into army barracks tomorrow, and they'd still find some reason to say it was Constitutional.

Wait, what? There is a RW meme saying that Marbury v Madison should be ignored?

There were definitely several posters or one very vocal poster saying that, over the weekend, on this forum. It was weird.

Can you link me to it?

The argument about Marbury starts on this page:
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/616154.page

It wouldn't surprise me if this becomes Trump/Sessions's next talking point: "We are just following the Constitution! Nothing in there says we must comply!"

They are trying to destroy the judicial system by fiat.

yikes.

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Anonymous wrote:It's one thing for me to sit here, in my home,candidate marvel at how our government is failing to operate properly. But people are being seriously affected by this. And the lawlessness is still going on. It's not stopping.

Isn't amazing that we have voters who supported a man on the message of law and order who himself has broken laws and norms on a regular basis and now leads the United States and is flouting laws and norms.

Business interests, emoluments, collusion with a foriegn state to steal information used in an election (ie Watergate on streoids), NDA's for Congressional staffers (is that even legal? They are paid out of the US treasury), separation of powers being eroded.

Seriously, when did all of this become okay? How did we digress so quickly - It's been 11 days now.

You would think it's amazing, but no, it doesn't surprise me. Trumpsters have shown they are ok with hypocrisy as long as it supports their cause. Racism, hate and love of money has taken away all reasoning and critical thinking skills.

I also think the fake news component cannot be underestimated. There was a poster a couple days ago blathering on about abiding by "Marbury vs. Madison" not being required to uphold the Constitution, and now I'm hearing it more and more. They are getting their talking points from some extreme RW source and then bringing them into the mainstream. Trump could convert these people's homes into army barracks tomorrow, and they'd still find some reason to say it was Constitutional.

Wait, what? There is a RW meme saying that Marbury v Madison should be ignored?

No people on DCUM were saying it. Something like it's not law it's just a suggestive statute but if the president doesn't really want to follow it he doesn't have to. It was on the original EO thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone found any additional reporting of this in mainstream or even somewhat close to mainstream media?

It was posted above, but:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/iran-brothers-travel-ban-ali-vayeghan.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

That article does not say that CPB is refusing to follow a court order, or that the US Marshals are refusing to enforce the court order.

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Anonymous wrote:It's one thing for me to sit here, in my home,candidate marvel at how our government is failing to operate properly. But people are being seriously affected by this. And the lawlessness is still going on. It's not stopping.

Isn't amazing that we have voters who supported a man on the message of law and order who himself has broken laws and norms on a regular basis and now leads the United States and is flouting laws and norms.

Business interests, emoluments, collusion with a foriegn state to steal information used in an election (ie Watergate on streoids), NDA's for Congressional staffers (is that even legal? They are paid out of the US treasury), separation of powers being eroded.

Seriously, when did all of this become okay? How did we digress so quickly - It's been 11 days now.

You would think it's amazing, but no, it doesn't surprise me. Trumpsters have shown they are ok with hypocrisy as long as it supports their cause. Racism, hate and love of money has taken away all reasoning and critical thinking skills.

I also think the fake news component cannot be underestimated. There was a poster a couple days ago blathering on about abiding by "Marbury vs. Madison" not being required to uphold the Constitution, and now I'm hearing it more and more. They are getting their talking points from some extreme RW source and then bringing them into the mainstream. Trump could convert these people's homes into army barracks tomorrow, and they'd still find some reason to say it was Constitutional.

Wait, what? There is a RW meme saying that Marbury v Madison should be ignored?

There were definitely several posters or one very vocal poster saying that, over the weekend, on this forum. It was weird.

Can you link me to it?

The argument about Marbury starts on this page:
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/616154.page

It wouldn't surprise me if this becomes Trump/Sessions's next talking point: "We are just following the Constitution! Nothing in there says we must comply!"

They are trying to destroy the judicial system by fiat.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ACLU/status/826857221959073792

"We're looking into reports of violations of court order & whether we’ll have to sue govt to enforce" - ACLU

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone found any additional reporting of this in mainstream or even somewhat close to mainstream media?

It was posted above, but:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/iran-brothers-travel-ban-ali-vayeghan.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

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Anonymous wrote:It's one thing for me to sit here, in my home,candidate marvel at how our government is failing to operate properly. But people are being seriously affected by this. And the lawlessness is still going on. It's not stopping.

Isn't amazing that we have voters who supported a man on the message of law and order who himself has broken laws and norms on a regular basis and now leads the United States and is flouting laws and norms.

Business interests, emoluments, collusion with a foriegn state to steal information used in an election (ie Watergate on streoids), NDA's for Congressional staffers (is that even legal? They are paid out of the US treasury), separation of powers being eroded.

Seriously, when did all of this become okay? How did we digress so quickly - It's been 11 days now.

You would think it's amazing, but no, it doesn't surprise me. Trumpsters have shown they are ok with hypocrisy as long as it supports their cause. Racism, hate and love of money has taken away all reasoning and critical thinking skills.

I also think the fake news component cannot be underestimated. There was a poster a couple days ago blathering on about abiding by "Marbury vs. Madison" not being required to uphold the Constitution, and now I'm hearing it more and more. They are getting their talking points from some extreme RW source and then bringing them into the mainstream. Trump could convert these people's homes into army barracks tomorrow, and they'd still find some reason to say it was Constitutional.

Wait, what? There is a RW meme saying that Marbury v Madison should be ignored?

There were definitely several posters or one very vocal poster saying that, over the weekend, on this forum. It was weird.

Can you link me to it?