I'm all for effective border control and managing immigration in such a way that people with skills enter our country and people who will drain our system are not admitted. Canada has such a system, I believe. But I have read that the most effective way to control illegal immigration is to crack down on the businesses that hire illegal immigrants in large scale. (Meatpacking plants in the Midwest come to mind.) imposing serious fines and possible prison time for owners of these plants would be a good solution, costing much less than a wall. And a wall poses constraints based on terrain and other factors, including extraordinary cost.

This is based on my limited reading on the subject. Could anyone with deeper knowledge of the subject offer their perspective? Would serious crackdowns on business be the best answer to contain illegal immigration? I've read that the Republicans don't want to fine businesses because the business folks are Republicans. Plus, they need this hot-button issue to whip up all the rednecks and racists. And the Democrats don't want to conduct large scale raids on businesses because of concerns about offending citizens and racial profiling.

I would honestly like to learn more about this issue. Building a wall seems ridiculous if there are other, better solutions to the problem of illegal immigration.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will Gropenfuhrer Trump use the National Guard to force an Indian nation to acquiesce to having a wall built on tribal land?

Everyone can agree there will be hurdles:

-Native American lands
-privately owned lands (though subject to eminent domain - thanks Kelo v. New London)
-EPA regulations
-physical/terrain problems or impossibilities (though illegal entrants tend not to cross verticals cliff faces either)

No one is claiming this will be easy or perfect.

But it's still a good idea to try something to stem the flood which Obama gladly allowed in for the future benefit of his party.

There wll be no EPA regulations. The EPA will be an organization in name only, and rubber stamp anything Trump tells them to. Talk about a corrupt government.

You all know that there is already a fence along much of the border, right? So they will build a wall, like a brick wall? How will they do this along the very remote areas in New Mexico and Arizona?

You know that walking across the border isn't how most illegals enter the US, right?

What a strange world you live in....

Anonymous wrote:Will Gropenfuhrer Trump use the National Guard to force an Indian nation to acquiesce to having a wall built on tribal land?

Everyone can agree there will be hurdles:

-Native American lands
-privately owned lands (though subject to eminent domain - thanks Kelo v. New London)
-EPA regulations
-physical/terrain problems or impossibilities (though illegal entrants tend not to cross verticals cliff faces either)

No one is claiming this will be easy or perfect.

But it's still a good idea to try something to stem the flood which Obama gladly allowed in for the future benefit of his party.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congress has to authorize the budget for it. Given a freeze on federal hiring, it seems imprudent.

Not too worry. Obama really ballooned federal hiring over his term. We did just fine with less paper pushers, silly servants and professional meeting attenders.

so patriotic of you....

http://www.military.com/veteran-jobs/search/government-jobs/federal-hiring-of-veterans-new-high.html

Anonymous wrote:Bet he'll have a lot of luck finding guys willing to do the manual labor on this wall.

Just go to the rust belt and get a truck load of the unemployed and ship them down there. Problem solved. See, he is creating jobs.

Some contractor will probably hire illegal immigrants to cut costs. Then Trump will say how the wall was built under budget.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congress has to authorize the budget for it. Given a freeze on federal hiring, it seems imprudent.

Not too worry. Obama really ballooned federal hiring over his term. We did just fine with less paper pushers, silly servants and professional meeting attenders.

Cite please. If you are going to allege this conduct, provide a cite.

I agree with PP's. Can he pay for the wall without Congressional approval? Will they give it?

Will Gropenfuhrer Trump use the National Guard to force an Indian nation to acquiesce to having a wall built on tribal land?

Anonymous wrote:Has congress appropriated the monies for it yet?

You mean the Mexican Congress?

Has congress appropriated the monies for it yet?

Anonymous wrote:What happened to Bush's and Obama's "virtual wall" / Secure Border Initiative to create an impenetrable cyber wall no human being could possibly cross?

oh wait - that was a huge failure:

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-10-651T

-Which left many areas of the border wide open- even to unaccompanied minors.

Time to build a real wall.

why are we still talking about Obama? Sure, he was a total failure in every possible respect. OK fine.

We are going to build the wall. Great!

Why are WE paying for a wall that he said Mexico would pay for? This is NOT keeping his campaign promise.

Bet he'll have a lot of luck finding guys willing to do the manual labor on this wall.

Anonymous wrote:What happened to Bush's and Obama's "virtual wall" / Secure Border Initiative to create an impenetrable cyber wall no human being could possibly cross?

oh wait - that was a huge failure:

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-10-651T

-Which left many areas of the border wide open- even to unaccompanied minors.

Time to build a real wall.

Good luck with that. Engineering and geography aren't your strength.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm all for securing the border but who is paying for this wall??? We were told Mexico would.


They better not touch ONE DIME of US taxpayer money.

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They are not. The US is.

well you are and I am too.