Anonymous
Post 12/15/2016 11:45     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I too want to know where Shelly is!


Who is Shelly?


Shelly Miscavige, is/was the wife of CO$ leader David Miscavige and headed the SeaOrg. No one outside the church has seen her since before the Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes wedding. Leah Remini filed a missing persons report with LAPD, that was closed after they said she was fine, but the lead detective on the report is involved with CO$. Google for more info.


I find the "Shelly is missing" story so frightening, especially since the police seem to be in on it. VF did a short piece on it a few years ago on it, but I think some serious investigative journalism could really turn up a few skeletons - literally.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2016 09:44     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I too want to know where Shelly is!


Who is Shelly?


Shelly Miscavige, is/was the wife of CO$ leader David Miscavige and headed the SeaOrg. No one outside the church has seen her since before the Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes wedding. Leah Remini filed a missing persons report with LAPD, that was closed after they said she was fine, but the lead detective on the report is involved with CO$. Google for more info.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2016 09:10     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's my question: everyone in Scientology apparently goes along with the craziness because they now believe that Scientology is the savior of humanity and does so much good, important work. WHAT exactly do they point to as this work? I've never seen anything pointing out charitable acts or its members using their superior mind capacity to effect positive change. It just seems focused on self, which is fine to do, but then why claim everything is done to protect this religion that will save mankind? Tom Cruise claims a Scientologist can look at the world and "be effective." How so, and how is it helpful?


I was thinking the same thing. Everyone says they join because of all the good it does. But I don't see any evidence of all these good works. Do they run homeless shelters, soup kitchens, animal shelters?? Where is all this good stuff that is supposed to save humanity!?


Thinking about this, I remember seeing a commercial, maybe during the Super Bowl, for the COS, and had something about "educating people about dangers of drugs" (I'm thinking more like, you know, ADHD medication and not heroin, but okay). I went looking for it just now and found this gem, that appears to explain what they think they do to help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feu08JxVEik

A lot of it just seems to be "educating" people. Maybe that's their angle? They save humanity by making everyone a Scientologist?

In the latest episode, I loved the way Leah kept saying "To-TAL freedom" when discussing the Bridge. Maybe it wasn't on purpose, but the way she emphasized the words, it just seemed so subtly snarky each time she said it. TOTAL freedom, not just partial freedom? Okay, sign me up!
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2016 09:07     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
There's an acting school/playhouse in LA owned by the Scientologists that sucks a lot of young wannabe actors in. They're attracted by the celebrities who hang out there and it's heavily implied that if they join the organization, they'll have an inside track to industry jobs and acting roles, as well as friendships with these celebs. It's really gross.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2016 06:28     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous[b wrote:]She is very brave[/b] and the show is pretty fascinating. Otherwise normal people are stuck in this for decades.



+1

She is brave and inspiring.


I also agree.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2016 06:27     Subject: Re:Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:I dont understand how so many regular people are able to give so much money and still stay.
Are people going to regular jobs and then handing over most of their money? Are they out in the world interacting with non scientologists?
I could understand staying when they are surrounded, isolated but to have all the $$ to give, people have to be working in real jobs. Educated, hard working people, it makes no sense.


My husband and I were talking about this after watching it last night. The money thing is confusing. So are these people working regular jobs and handing over the money that they earn? There was the one woman a few episodes ago who was in Scientology from childhood and literally left with nothing. So are these regular people who are somehow able to take months off to go on a ship with Scientologists? I don't get it.

Another confusing thing is the idea of people leaving. It's not clear to me how restrictive it is. The woman last night basically said she was glad the door was unlocked. But then other people just seem to walk out...?
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2016 05:58     Subject: Re:Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
I dont understand how so many regular people are able to give so much money and still stay.
Are people going to regular jobs and then handing over most of their money? Are they out in the world interacting with non scientologists?
I could understand staying when they are surrounded, isolated but to have all the $$ to give, people have to be working in real jobs. Educated, hard working people, it makes no sense.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2016 05:31     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Really interesting. Seems like a good companion to the Going Clear documentary. I appreciate hearing more details about specific people's stories and the policies.


never heard of Going Clear. I'll check it out.

One of the things I find so fascinating is the actors who turn to Scientology as adults - Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirsti Alley. Leah I get because she was raised in Scientology, and her whole family was part of the church. But those other actors?



What about Will Smith and his wife? Didn't they start some Scientology school?
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2016 05:30     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:I too want to know where Shelly is!


Who is Shelly?
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2016 23:00     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's my question: everyone in Scientology apparently goes along with the craziness because they now believe that Scientology is the savior of humanity and does so much good, important work. WHAT exactly do they point to as this work? I've never seen anything pointing out charitable acts or its members using their superior mind capacity to effect positive change. It just seems focused on self, which is fine to do, but then why claim everything is done to protect this religion that will save mankind? Tom Cruise claims a Scientologist can look at the world and "be effective." How so, and how is it helpful?


I was thinking the same thing. Everyone says they join because of all the good it does. But I don't see any evidence of all these good works. Do they run homeless shelters, soup kitchens, animal shelters?? Where is all this good stuff that is supposed to save humanity!?


They do their service within the org more than outside, I'd say. But the sad part is, for the sea org ones, it's not what one would define as voluntary. Sure, they say it is voluntary, until they come to their senses and leave, and then admit it was involuntary servitude of a horrific kind. Scary stuff.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2016 22:43     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's my question: everyone in Scientology apparently goes along with the craziness because they now believe that Scientology is the savior of humanity and does so much good, important work. WHAT exactly do they point to as this work? I've never seen anything pointing out charitable acts or its members using their superior mind capacity to effect positive change. It just seems focused on self, which is fine to do, but then why claim everything is done to protect this religion that will save mankind? Tom Cruise claims a Scientologist can look at the world and "be effective." How so, and how is it helpful?


I was thinking the same thing. Everyone says they join because of all the good it does. But I don't see any evidence of all these good works. Do they run homeless shelters, soup kitchens, animal shelters?? Where is all this good stuff that is supposed to save humanity!?


They offered free e-meter readings and audits to 9/11 first responders. True story.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2016 21:33     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:Here's my question: everyone in Scientology apparently goes along with the craziness because they now believe that Scientology is the savior of humanity and does so much good, important work. WHAT exactly do they point to as this work? I've never seen anything pointing out charitable acts or its members using their superior mind capacity to effect positive change. It just seems focused on self, which is fine to do, but then why claim everything is done to protect this religion that will save mankind? Tom Cruise claims a Scientologist can look at the world and "be effective." How so, and how is it helpful?


I was thinking the same thing. Everyone says they join because of all the good it does. But I don't see any evidence of all these good works. Do they run homeless shelters, soup kitchens, animal shelters?? Where is all this good stuff that is supposed to save humanity!?
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2016 18:55     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I too want to know where Shelly is!


Girl, that B dead and we all know it.


I dunno. I think she is just a prisoner, literally. she's on that ship in the middle of the ocean....no escape.

how is this cult still around?? I am a very antigovernment intervention person but this is one instance where I think the government needs to do something now! [/quote

Oh yeah the boat! I forgot about that, yeah, that's got to be like an episode of Lost, except real and therefore horrifying
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2016 18:49     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I too want to know where Shelly is!


Girl, that B dead and we all know it.


I dunno. I think she is just a prisoner, literally. she's on that ship in the middle of the ocean....no escape.

how is this cult still around?? I am a very antigovernment intervention person but this is one instance where I think the government needs to do something now!
Anonymous
Post 12/13/2016 16:37     Subject: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath - anyone? wow!
Anonymous wrote:I too want to know where Shelly is!


Girl, that B dead and we all know it.