Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:51     Subject: Federal exodus
Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what the plan is for tackling this massive national debt. It's approaching $61,000 for EVERY PERSON in the U.S.

You could levy a 100% tax on all millionaires and only fund the government for 4 months. Then what?

We've clearly over promised. We won't deliver. We will collapse. There's no way around that math.

You think it's a nightmare if we cut back 5% or 10% program now? Wait until the programs just go away because there's no money to support them. That's the laws of economics kicking in, and those laws have NO compassion.

I suggest some bleeding hearts around here get real, because it's about to get real.



You poor dear. You think President Grabbyhamds is going to do anything about debt? The tax cut and spend like it,s raining Reublicans are the worst thing to happen to our bottom line. That's okay. Another Democrat will come along and clean up after you.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:39     Subject: Federal exodus
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what the plan is for tackling this massive national debt. It's approaching $61,000 for EVERY PERSON in the U.S.

You could levy a 100% tax on all millionaires and only fund the government for 4 months. Then what?

We've clearly over promised. We won't deliver. We will collapse. There's no way around that math.

You think it's a nightmare if we cut back 5% or 10% program now? Wait until the programs just go away because there's no money to support them. That's the laws of economics kicking in, and those laws have NO compassion.

I suggest some bleeding hearts around here get real, because it's about to get real.



there will not be a single answer, but immediate freezie hiring for all federal agencies, and cutting every agency by 10% over next 2 years is a start and doable. The federal gov shutdown had no impact to most people.

solve the H1B fraud by instituting a tax. Since Silicon Valley says it needs the best and brightest, they should be willing to pay a tax to get them. Eliminate Limits and tax companies $30,000 per H1B per year is a good start, for the 600,000 H1Bs in country in any year, would get us 18B a year. This way if companies need the best and brightest they can get as many as they need. And the INdian bodyshops will be able to provide as many as they can get.

Eliminate the DEA and save 3B a year.

There are many many ways to start reducing the debt without impacting the working class.


I can see you operate in Alternate Reality.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:37     Subject: Federal exodus
Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what the plan is for tackling this massive national debt. It's approaching $61,000 for EVERY PERSON in the U.S.

You could levy a 100% tax on all millionaires and only fund the government for 4 months. Then what?

We've clearly over promised. We won't deliver. We will collapse. There's no way around that math.

You think it's a nightmare if we cut back 5% or 10% program now? Wait until the programs just go away because there's no money to support them. That's the laws of economics kicking in, and those laws have NO compassion.

I suggest some bleeding hearts around here get real, because it's about to get real.



there will not be a single answer, but immediate freezie hiring for all federal agencies, and cutting every agency by 10% over next 2 years is a start and doable. The federal gov shutdown had no impact to most people.

solve the H1B fraud by instituting a tax. Since Silicon Valley says it needs the best and brightest, they should be willing to pay a tax to get them. Eliminate Limits and tax companies $30,000 per H1B per year is a good start, for the 600,000 H1Bs in country in any year, would get us 18B a year. This way if companies need the best and brightest they can get as many as they need. And the INdian bodyshops will be able to provide as many as they can get.

Eliminate the DEA and save 3B a year.

There are many many ways to start reducing the debt without impacting the working class.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:33     Subject: Re:Federal exodus
Depends on the agency and the boss. I worked for the government. I worked in two places where we worked hard all the time--and everyone did. I worked in another where there was almost nothing to do. I even worked in one place in that agency where there was nothing to do. People read the newspaper, made personal phone calls all day, stood by the cooler, that type of thing. Believe it or not, I was miserable there and moved to another area where there was work to do.

It all depends. There is no excuse, though, for a group working for the government to having nothing to do for months at a time.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:29     Subject: Federal exodus
I'd like to know what the plan is for tackling this massive national debt. It's approaching $61,000 for EVERY PERSON in the U.S.

You could levy a 100% tax on all millionaires and only fund the government for 4 months. Then what?

We've clearly over promised. We won't deliver. We will collapse. There's no way around that math.

You think it's a nightmare if we cut back 5% or 10% program now? Wait until the programs just go away because there's no money to support them. That's the laws of economics kicking in, and those laws have NO compassion.

I suggest some bleeding hearts around here get real, because it's about to get real.

Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:26     Subject: Federal exodus
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Anonymous wrote:The situation (at my agency) is that around 30% of the people are ELIGIBLE to RETIRE and are only sticking around because they like the work and their colleagues.

If even a hint of shenanigans occurs, they will just walk out the door. And if that happens, the shit. will. hit. the. fan. because a lot of these people were in the agency for decades and have a tremendous amount of institutional knowledge that they will take with them. That's how I am reading it.



What if they left and no one missed them. Could you cut 70% of the bureaucrats and policy makers and no one would miss them? Don't we have enough paper now to last into the next ice age?


I suspect PP also complains that the wait time is too long when he calls a fed agency.

Well, maybe they should make Feds come INTO work! The people in my neighborhood with three and four day "work-from-home" days laugh about it, while they laze by the pool, go to the movies, pick up the groceries, and catch up with household chores. I'm not saying everyone abuses it, but enough do to significantly reduce the number of these scam days.

So your neighbors are representative of the entire Fed workforce? Interesting.

I've heard the same reports from other people, living in neighborhoods 20 miles away. The abuse is rampant, and if we put a stop to it and actually required people to come into work and put in a "real" day, we could probably cut 20% of the workforce right there.



Urban legends.

Agencies have cracked down on telework abuses. They don't like telework.

Not urban legends. I'm always running into government workers at the grocery store at 10 a.m., the pool at noon, and the movies at 2 p.m. When I've asked if it's a government holiday, they laugh.


I'm a fed and work from home one day a week. On my telework day I start work at 7 am and finish at 5:30 (as opposed to my 8:30 to 5 schedule when I commute in). I use the commute time saved to take a break in the middle of the day to do grocery shopping, go to doctor's appointment, etc. Going to the pool or the movies does seem insane unless you are taking vacation that day, but taking one or two hours to run errands does not mean you're not putting in a full work day, if you work around it. In addition, even on my non-telework days, I routinely work for an extra hour in the evenings and a couple hours on weekends, all from home, if it's necessary to get the work done.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:21     Subject: Federal exodus
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Anonymous wrote:The situation (at my agency) is that around 30% of the people are ELIGIBLE to RETIRE and are only sticking around because they like the work and their colleagues.

If even a hint of shenanigans occurs, they will just walk out the door. And if that happens, the shit. will. hit. the. fan. because a lot of these people were in the agency for decades and have a tremendous amount of institutional knowledge that they will take with them. That's how I am reading it.



What if they left and no one missed them. Could you cut 70% of the bureaucrats and policy makers and no one would miss them? Don't we have enough paper now to last into the next ice age?


I suspect PP also complains that the wait time is too long when he calls a fed agency.

Well, maybe they should make Feds come INTO work! The people in my neighborhood with three and four day "work-from-home" days laugh about it, while they laze by the pool, go to the movies, pick up the groceries, and catch up with household chores. I'm not saying everyone abuses it, but enough do to significantly reduce the number of these scam days.

So your neighbors are representative of the entire Fed workforce? Interesting.

I've heard the same reports from other people, living in neighborhoods 20 miles away. The abuse is rampant, and if we put a stop to it and actually required people to come into work and put in a "real" day, we could probably cut 20% of the workforce right there.



Urban legends.

Agencies have cracked down on telework abuses. They don't like telework.

Not urban legends. I'm always running into government workers at the grocery store at 10 a.m., the pool at noon, and the movies at 2 p.m. When I've asked if it's a government holiday, they laugh.

For the last time, why don't you report them?

I couldn't do it. I wouldn't want to be responsible for someone losing their job.


You are part of the problem
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:21     Subject: Federal exodus
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Anonymous wrote:So if 20-30% retire (and these are the ones who are the agency experts at the 15 and SES levels) and then Trump imposes a freeze on hiring new staff, those of us young GS-13s and 14s will be in hog heaven.


Your workload will increase signficantly. But you knew that, of course.

And morale will be pretty dismal, but a businessman like Trump knows that morale... Oh, never mind.


If it saves the taxpayers money....


No, they will be redirected to defense, to pad the pockets of Trump's friends. Or they will have to hire contractors, which will cost double. either way, you lose
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:20     Subject: Federal exodus
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Anonymous wrote:The situation (at my agency) is that around 30% of the people are ELIGIBLE to RETIRE and are only sticking around because they like the work and their colleagues.

If even a hint of shenanigans occurs, they will just walk out the door. And if that happens, the shit. will. hit. the. fan. because a lot of these people were in the agency for decades and have a tremendous amount of institutional knowledge that they will take with them. That's how I am reading it.



What if they left and no one missed them. Could you cut 70% of the bureaucrats and policy makers and no one would miss them? Don't we have enough paper now to last into the next ice age?


I suspect PP also complains that the wait time is too long when he calls a fed agency.

Well, maybe they should make Feds come INTO work! The people in my neighborhood with three and four day "work-from-home" days laugh about it, while they laze by the pool, go to the movies, pick up the groceries, and catch up with household chores. I'm not saying everyone abuses it, but enough do to significantly reduce the number of these scam days.

So your neighbors are representative of the entire Fed workforce? Interesting.

I've heard the same reports from other people, living in neighborhoods 20 miles away. The abuse is rampant, and if we put a stop to it and actually required people to come into work and put in a "real" day, we could probably cut 20% of the workforce right there.



Urban legends.

Agencies have cracked down on telework abuses. They don't like telework.

Not urban legends. I'm always running into government workers at the grocery store at 10 a.m., the pool at noon, and the movies at 2 p.m. When I've asked if it's a government holiday, they laugh.

For the last time, why don't you report them?

I couldn't do it. I wouldn't want to be responsible for someone losing their job.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:20     Subject: Federal exodus
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wonder what the deputy to the deputy to the assistant deputy of deputies for the mid-eastern kugel inspection branch will do when they have to get a job in the private sector. Could be interesting.


More people get sick from contaminated food. It'll be great.


Remember when Reagan fired the Air Traffic Controllers and all the planes started crashing. Yeah, I don't remember that either.

If people don't want to work under Trump, there are thousands of capable (maybe even better) people willing to snap up one of those jobs. This is just more delusional talk.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:19     Subject: Federal exodus
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So if 20-30% retire (and these are the ones who are the agency experts at the 15 and SES levels) and then Trump imposes a freeze on hiring new staff, those of us young GS-13s and 14s will be in hog heaven.


Your workload will increase signficantly. But you knew that, of course.

And morale will be pretty dismal, but a businessman like Trump knows that morale... Oh, never mind.


If it saves the taxpayers money....
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:18     Subject: Federal exodus
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Anonymous wrote:The situation (at my agency) is that around 30% of the people are ELIGIBLE to RETIRE and are only sticking around because they like the work and their colleagues.

If even a hint of shenanigans occurs, they will just walk out the door. And if that happens, the shit. will. hit. the. fan. because a lot of these people were in the agency for decades and have a tremendous amount of institutional knowledge that they will take with them. That's how I am reading it.



What if they left and no one missed them. Could you cut 70% of the bureaucrats and policy makers and no one would miss them? Don't we have enough paper now to last into the next ice age?


I suspect PP also complains that the wait time is too long when he calls a fed agency.

Well, maybe they should make Feds come INTO work! The people in my neighborhood with three and four day "work-from-home" days laugh about it, while they laze by the pool, go to the movies, pick up the groceries, and catch up with household chores. I'm not saying everyone abuses it, but enough do to significantly reduce the number of these scam days.

So your neighbors are representative of the entire Fed workforce? Interesting.

I've heard the same reports from other people, living in neighborhoods 20 miles away. The abuse is rampant, and if we put a stop to it and actually required people to come into work and put in a "real" day, we could probably cut 20% of the workforce right there.



Urban legends.

Agencies have cracked down on telework abuses. They don't like telework.

Not urban legends. I'm always running into government workers at the grocery store at 10 a.m., the pool at noon, and the movies at 2 p.m. When I've asked if it's a government holiday, they laugh.

For the last time, why don't you report them?
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:17     Subject: Federal exodus
Anonymous wrote:Drain the swamp.

And replace it with dirty, murky water. Great.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 10:11     Subject: Federal exodus
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:The situation (at my agency) is that around 30% of the people are ELIGIBLE to RETIRE and are only sticking around because they like the work and their colleagues.

If even a hint of shenanigans occurs, they will just walk out the door. And if that happens, the shit. will. hit. the. fan. because a lot of these people were in the agency for decades and have a tremendous amount of institutional knowledge that they will take with them. That's how I am reading it.



What if they left and no one missed them. Could you cut 70% of the bureaucrats and policy makers and no one would miss them? Don't we have enough paper now to last into the next ice age?


I suspect PP also complains that the wait time is too long when he calls a fed agency.

Well, maybe they should make Feds come INTO work! The people in my neighborhood with three and four day "work-from-home" days laugh about it, while they laze by the pool, go to the movies, pick up the groceries, and catch up with household chores. I'm not saying everyone abuses it, but enough do to significantly reduce the number of these scam days.

So your neighbors are representative of the entire Fed workforce? Interesting.

I've heard the same reports from other people, living in neighborhoods 20 miles away. The abuse is rampant, and if we put a stop to it and actually required people to come into work and put in a "real" day, we could probably cut 20% of the workforce right there.



Urban legends.

Agencies have cracked down on telework abuses. They don't like telework.

Not urban legends. I'm always running into government workers at the grocery store at 10 a.m., the pool at noon, and the movies at 2 p.m. When I've asked if it's a government holiday, they laugh.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2016 09:31     Subject: Federal exodus
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:The situation (at my agency) is that around 30% of the people are ELIGIBLE to RETIRE and are only sticking around because they like the work and their colleagues.

If even a hint of shenanigans occurs, they will just walk out the door. And if that happens, the shit. will. hit. the. fan. because a lot of these people were in the agency for decades and have a tremendous amount of institutional knowledge that they will take with them. That's how I am reading it.



What if they left and no one missed them. Could you cut 70% of the bureaucrats and policy makers and no one would miss them? Don't we have enough paper now to last into the next ice age?


I suspect PP also complains that the wait time is too long when he calls a fed agency.

Well, maybe they should make Feds come INTO work! The people in my neighborhood with three and four day "work-from-home" days laugh about it, while they laze by the pool, go to the movies, pick up the groceries, and catch up with household chores. I'm not saying everyone abuses it, but enough do to significantly reduce the number of these scam days.

So your neighbors are representative of the entire Fed workforce? Interesting.

I've heard the same reports from other people, living in neighborhoods 20 miles away. The abuse is rampant, and if we put a stop to it and actually required people to come into work and put in a "real" day, we could probably cut 20% of the workforce right there.



Urban legends.

Agencies have cracked down on telework abuses. They don't like telework.