Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who knew so many DC urban moms cared deeply and passionately for Russia's point of view! How.....curious.

Don't forget about the recent Newsweek article laying out all the Trump campaign/Russian connections and the Slate article about the odd server traffic.

+1

Yes, dc urban moms really have knack for that don't they?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There it starts. Scandals and court cases are gonna chase this man to be one term president. He won the electoral college by about 1% in 4 states and lost the popular vote. Dems will show up in force for a non clinton candidate in 2020 and by then his base will be disillusioned because they can't see anything coming their way. So 2020 a dem president will win.

Don't be too sure. Everyone said the same about Bush and he got re-elected.

Good Lord. Bush v. Gore was resolved by his coronation, thanks to his friends at the SCOTUS. He now admits to being a gutless wonder. He didn't even vote for a presidential candidate.

Anonymous wrote:Who knew so many DC urban moms cared deeply and passionately for Russia's point of view! How.....curious.

Don't forget about the recent Newsweek article laying out all the Trump campaign/Russian connections and the Slate article about the odd server traffic.

+1

Who knew so many DC urban moms cared deeply and passionately for Russia's point of view! How.....curious.

Don't forget about the recent Newsweek article laying out all the Trump campaign/Russian connections and the Slate article about the odd server traffic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There it starts. Scandals and court cases are gonna chase this man to be one term president. He won the electoral college by about 1% in 4 states and lost the popular vote. Dems will show up in force for a non clinton candidate in 2020 and by then his base will be disillusioned because they can't see anything coming their way. So 2020 a dem president will win.

Don't be too sure. Everyone said the same about Bush and he got re-elected.

Bush was in the midst of a war that he just started and Americans gave the benefit of the doubt to him and He royally stabbed them in the back. Bush was not this UNPOPULAR to begin with or this hated by over 50% of the country(both didn't win the popular vote). Trump is in a league of his own and there is no way the man who has no self control can hold himself, this country and the world together for 4 years. There will be scandals, failures, and recession. He won't start a war but will be pulled into a war by Putin rushing in to test America. So no, it will not end well.

Even the best suited candidates don't achieve much in a very challenging job that needs intelligence, temperament, ideas, policies and communication that unites people. Anyone who thinks a man can change color because he is suddenly under enormous responsibility are just fools. People don't change color, period. If under duress they dig the heel even more.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish the good men and women in our intel and defense communities the best as they attempt to protect us from ourselves.

How long until Putin invades Ukraine?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/moscow-had-contacts-with-trump-team-during-campaign-russian-diplomat-says/2016/11/10/28fb82fa-a73d-11e6-9bd6-
184ab22d218e_story.html

Why is it any of the U.S. business what happens between Russia and Ukraine? I don't care. I am sick and tired of US borrowing money to spend it in another country.Trillions in debt, and fighting wars all over. Have we learned nothing from decades of fiasco in Iran, and the rest of the world? Majority of foreign problems were cause by US itself and it is time to stop spreading democracy with capitalism.(Where did it really work?) It is 21st century.

It is the US's business since we signed a treaty with these countries promising to come to their aid if any one of them is invaded by a foreign power. Trump has said that as POTUS, he would not uphold NATO, therefore opening the door for Putin to invade any NATO country.

Does honoring your agreements mean nothing to you, PP? Are you married? Did you make promises that you aren't going to keep just because you don't feel like it or it's inconvenient?

Ukraine is not a NATO country, dumbass.

And speaking of honoring promises....the US has promised Russia not to expand NATO into Eastern Europe. It broke that promise as soon as it became politically expedient.

Russia's Got a Point: The US Broke a NATO Promise http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html

Moscow solidified its hold on Crimea in April, outlawing the Tatar legislature that had opposed Russia’s annexation of the region since 2014. Together with Russian military provocations against NATO forces in and around the Baltic, this move seems to validate the observations of Western analysts who argue that under Vladimir Putin, an increasingly aggressive Russia is determined to dominate its neighbors and menace Europe.

Leaders in Moscow, however, tell a different story. For them, Russia is the aggrieved party. They claim the United States has failed to uphold a promise that NATO would not expand into Eastern Europe, a deal made during the 1990 negotiations between the West and the Soviet Union over German unification. In this view, Russia is being forced to forestall NATO’s eastward march as a matter of self-defense.

The West has vigorously protested that no such deal was ever struck. However, hundreds of memos, meeting minutes and transcripts from U.S. archives indicate otherwise. Although what the documents reveal isn’t enough to make Putin a saint, it suggests that the diagnosis of Russian predation isn’t entirely fair. Europe’s stability may depend just as much on the West’s willingness to reassure Russia about NATO’s limits as on deterring Moscow’s adventurism.

An observation. In the Russian language, there are no articles. There's no "the", no "a", no "an". Interesting that articles are missing from this post in many places. Look at the bolded.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP stated that Russia is all bark no bite. I was stating that it still has bite.

Elaborate, please.

Healthcare is just a good example. Other countries devote money to healthcare while we subsidize their military defense. People of this country think it's unfair. More of our money should go to domestic, not overseas, projects.

? I did.. Ukraine and Syria. WTF? Again, the post wasn't about whether we should be involved, but that Russia still has bite. Goodness.

It doesn't. Goodness. (See how well this works? Oh well, if you don't want to talk, just stop responding.)

No, I don't see how that works. Russia still has bite. Just ask Ukraine, and now Syria. Seriously. You must be living in Trump reality when he stated that Russia is not in Ukraine.

PP, enough. Saying it is so doesn't actually make it so. At least in my reality. Either provide a viable explanation, or stop reiterating "Russia has a bite." Because it doesn't. It wants you to think it does, and you don't know any better.

What are we talking about? Does Russia have a military, navy, and air force to rival ours? No (neither do France and England). Does Russia have enough military power to invade her neighbors and temporarily stabilize Assad? Yes.

You were talking about the endless appetite of a bloodthirsty dictator. Who will obviously rule the world, unless we intervene. You are mistaken. Has it occurred to you that if he could restore the USSR (as some say he wants to) to its original borders, he wouldn't have done it by now? Get a grip and stop shivering.

Assad is not my problem. He is an elected leader of a foreign country. The fact we don't like him doesn't change that.

So will it be fine if Putin sells a few nukes to Iran? Or maybe invade Eastern Europe? Or work against American interests or cut down American influence?

You have no clue. It is not just Putin. Putin and China are in this together to undermine American interests at every turn. Today it will be Asad, tomorrow it will be ukraine, then it will be Philippines. Slowly America will be run out of Asia, Europe,Africa and pushed back to America.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish the good men and women in our intel and defense communities the best as they attempt to protect us from ourselves.

How long until Putin invades Ukraine?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/moscow-had-contacts-with-trump-team-during-campaign-russian-diplomat-says/2016/11/10/28fb82fa-a73d-11e6-9bd6-
184ab22d218e_story.html

Why is it any of the U.S. business what happens between Russia and Ukraine? I don't care. I am sick and tired of US borrowing money to spend it in another country.Trillions in debt, and fighting wars all over. Have we learned nothing from decades of fiasco in Iran, and the rest of the world? Majority of foreign problems were cause by US itself and it is time to stop spreading democracy with capitalism.(Where did it really work?) It is 21st century.

It is the US's business since we signed a treaty with these countries promising to come to their aid if any one of them is invaded by a foreign power. Trump has said that as POTUS, he would not uphold NATO, therefore opening the door for Putin to invade any NATO country.

Does honoring your agreements mean nothing to you, PP? Are you married? Did you make promises that you aren't going to keep just because you don't feel like it or it's inconvenient?

But it was OK to bomb Serbia/Yugoslavia without UN approval, as US and NATO has also signed an agreement with UN and invaded a sovereign nation and waged illegal war? US has signed the UN Charter which does not allow military operations against sovereign countries unless approved by the UN Council. Killed over 500 civilians there. Which exact treaty did US sign with Ukraine, especially that is will come to its aid if invaded?

Anonymous wrote:There it starts. Scandals and court cases are gonna chase this man to be one term president. He won the electoral college by about 1% in 4 states and lost the popular vote. Dems will show up in force for a non clinton candidate in 2020 and by then his base will be disillusioned because they can't see anything coming their way. So 2020 a dem president will win.

Don't be too sure. Everyone said the same about Bush and he got re-elected.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why are you concerned about Ukraine? It's not our battle to fight. Maybe volunteer for your local school instead of regurgitating CNN.

I think HRC going full-blown McCarthian was ridiculous.

We have our problems, people. Stop trying to police the world. We're not that rich and powerful anymore. Better pray Russia and China don't start trading oil in yuan. This is what your headaches should be about.

NP here.

What on earth gives you the idea that it will stop with Ukraine? Exactly how much of the world are you willing to cede to a bloodthirsty dictator?

We are plenty rich and powerful enough to ensure stability in the world, which is both moral and in our best interest as a nation.

Your "America is weak" nonsense is simply wrong, and unpatriotic to boot.

Your track record doesn't really support that claim. Nothing the US did in the Middle East, for instance, brought any stability. Wealth and power doesn't bring stability. You have to deploy a brain cell on occasion, too.

We (the US) certainly have not always gotten it right, but our track record has actually been quite good by and large.

Try identifying the last 75 year period in European history without a major conflict.

Ya gotta admit Western Europe were primarily responsible for leaving the eastern european countries that emerged during the Spring of Nations out to dry. Though Wilson's 14 Points did help convince the US to help Eastern European nations to (re-)emerge, we apparently agreed to let Russia put them behind the iron curtain post WWII.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish the good men and women in our intel and defense communities the best as they attempt to protect us from ourselves.

How long until Putin invades Ukraine?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/moscow-had-contacts-with-trump-team-during-campaign-russian-diplomat-says/2016/11/10/28fb82fa-a73d-11e6-9bd6-
184ab22d218e_story.html

Why is it any of the U.S. business what happens between Russia and Ukraine? I don't care. I am sick and tired of US borrowing money to spend it in another country.Trillions in debt, and fighting wars all over. Have we learned nothing from decades of fiasco in Iran, and the rest of the world? Majority of foreign problems were cause by US itself and it is time to stop spreading democracy with capitalism.(Where did it really work?) It is 21st century.

It is the US's business since we signed a treaty with these countries promising to come to their aid if any one of them is invaded by a foreign power. Trump has said that as POTUS, he would not uphold NATO, therefore opening the door for Putin to invade any NATO country.

Does honoring your agreements mean nothing to you, PP? Are you married? Did you make promises that you aren't going to keep just because you don't feel like it or it's inconvenient?

Honoring commitments is one thing. But the US pays a grossly disproportionate share. Especially when both direct and indirect funding are included. This is a fact which Obama recognized when he observed that a number of countries were "free riders". http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/

Or is Obama just full of it too?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish the good men and women in our intel and defense communities the best as they attempt to protect us from ourselves.

How long until Putin invades Ukraine?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/moscow-had-contacts-with-trump-team-during-campaign-russian-diplomat-says/2016/11/10/28fb82fa-a73d-11e6-9bd6-
184ab22d218e_story.html

Why is it any of the U.S. business what happens between Russia and Ukraine? I don't care. I am sick and tired of US borrowing money to spend it in another country.Trillions in debt, and fighting wars all over. Have we learned nothing from decades of fiasco in Iran, and the rest of the world? Majority of foreign problems were cause by US itself and it is time to stop spreading democracy with capitalism.(Where did it really work?) It is 21st century.

It is the US's business since we signed a treaty with these countries promising to come to their aid if any one of them is invaded by a foreign power. Trump has said that as POTUS, he would not uphold NATO, therefore opening the door for Putin to invade any NATO country.

Does honoring your agreements mean nothing to you, PP? Are you married? Did you make promises that you aren't going to keep just because you don't feel like it or it's inconvenient?

Ukraine is not a NATO country, dumbass.

And speaking of honoring promises....the US has promised Russia not to expand NATO into Eastern Europe. It broke that promise as soon as it became politically expedient.

Russia's Got a Point: The US Broke a NATO Promise http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html

Moscow solidified its hold on Crimea in April, outlawing the Tatar legislature that had opposed Russia’s annexation of the region since 2014. Together with Russian military provocations against NATO forces in and around the Baltic, this move seems to validate the observations of Western analysts who argue that under Vladimir Putin, an increasingly aggressive Russia is determined to dominate its neighbors and menace Europe.

Leaders in Moscow, however, tell a different story. For them, Russia is the aggrieved party. They claim the United States has failed to uphold a promise that NATO would not expand into Eastern Europe, a deal made during the 1990 negotiations between the West and the Soviet Union over German unification. In this view, Russia is being forced to forestall NATO’s eastward march as a matter of self-defense.

The West has vigorously protested that no such deal was ever struck. However, hundreds of memos, meeting minutes and transcripts from U.S. archives indicate otherwise. Although what the documents reveal isn’t enough to make Putin a saint, it suggests that the diagnosis of Russian predation isn’t entirely fair. Europe’s stability may depend just as much on the West’s willingness to reassure Russia about NATO’s limits as on deterring Moscow’s adventurism.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish the good men and women in our intel and defense communities the best as they attempt to protect us from ourselves.

How long until Putin invades Ukraine?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/moscow-had-contacts-with-trump-team-during-campaign-russian-diplomat-says/2016/11/10/28fb82fa-a73d-11e6-9bd6-184ab22d218e_story.html

that Van guy was talking on CNN about how afraid minorities in the US are. I can tell you people in Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Ukraine are shivering in fright with thoughts about what kind of Russian agression they will have to confront (on their own). Folks in Western Europe can't feel that much safer.

The president stopped the defense shield in Eastern Europe because Russia wasn't a threat. Helped improved US relations with Poland and Ukraine, right? We reset our relations with Russia. Ms Clinton brought him the red reset button, remember? It kept Russia out of Ukrane. Even Bush "hung out" with the Russian president early on.

If trump used Russians to get him elected that's a separate issue, which needs investigating. Also you can't solely blame the last person in the Oval Office for what's going with Russia.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why are you concerned about Ukraine? It's not our battle to fight. Maybe volunteer for your local school instead of regurgitating CNN.

I think HRC going full-blown McCarthian was ridiculous.

We have our problems, people. Stop trying to police the world. We're not that rich and powerful anymore. Better pray Russia and China don't start trading oil in yuan. This is what your headaches should be about.

NP here.

What on earth gives you the idea that it will stop with Ukraine? Exactly how much of the world are you willing to cede to a bloodthirsty dictator?

We are plenty rich and powerful enough to ensure stability in the world, which is both moral and in our best interest as a nation.

Your "America is weak" nonsense is simply wrong, and unpatriotic to boot.

Your track record doesn't really support that claim. Nothing the US did in the Middle East, for instance, brought any stability. Wealth and power doesn't bring stability. You have to deploy a brain cell on occasion, too.