Anonymous
10/23/2016 15:01
Subject: How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long until brown skinned people are forced to produce citizenship documents in order to buy groceries or walk on a public street?
Why does everything about race? Typical liberal response. It sure gets old!
Really? Joe Arpaio. This actually happened.
Who is joe?
Anonymous
10/23/2016 14:45
Subject: How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When Hillary gives all of them amnesty it's going to bankrupt social security and medicare and medicaid. And have a serious impact on the Pell Grant program, too.
And what about the doctor shortage? There aren't enough now to serve our current citizens.
This might be the dumbest comment ever on DCUM, and that's saying something. Are you under the impression that physicians only see citizens? Idiot.
Ah. Another liberal. (I can tell by how rude you are with the unnecessary idiot remark.)
Of course they don't just see only citizens. They even see illegals. But if we make the illegals citizens, and then put on Obamacare so they'll get their care free (they certainly don't as illegals!), you will see them flood into the doctor's offices for all their free exams and appointments and treatments - making it harder for the current, law-abiding citizens to grab a 10-minute appointment with the doctor. Doctors are already reporting a "reversal" among their patients, with the patient load being made up of low-income with free care, and middle-income skipping care because it's become so expensive.
Is that something you can understand?
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Run run run!
Another brilliant remark from a liberal who refuses to face the truth....
You wouldn't make a sarcastic remark like that if you had to wait nearly six weeks to see a doctor, you finally walked into the waiting room to discover you were the only English-speaking person, and your health suffered as a result of the delay. Since that happened, I changed my mind about illegal immigration. I do see first-hand the damage it can cause by overloading the system. But I doubt you'll care about me....as a liberal, you care more about illegals than you do law-abiding Americans.
Anonymous
10/23/2016 14:32
Subject: How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When Hillary gives all of them amnesty it's going to bankrupt social security and medicare and medicaid. And have a serious impact on the Pell Grant program, too.
And what about the doctor shortage? There aren't enough now to serve our current citizens.
This might be the dumbest comment ever on DCUM, and that's saying something. Are you under the impression that physicians only see citizens? Idiot.
Ah. Another liberal. (I can tell by how rude you are with the unnecessary idiot remark.)
Of course they don't just see only citizens. They even see illegals. But if we make the illegals citizens, and then put on Obamacare so they'll get their care free (they certainly don't as illegals!), you will see them flood into the doctor's offices for all their free exams and appointments and treatments - making it harder for the current, law-abiding citizens to grab a 10-minute appointment with the doctor. Doctors are already reporting a "reversal" among their patients, with the patient load being made up of low-income with free care, and middle-income skipping care because it's become so expensive.
Is that something you can understand?
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Run run run!
Anonymous
10/23/2016 14:17
Subject: Re:How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting, but it's clear from these responses who is a Dem and who is a Repub. the Dems are racing to the defense of the illegals and focusing on their problems (as does Hillary), and the Repubs are focusing on the damage to the system and consequent cost to current Americans (as does Donald.)
But one side is stating facts and the other is not.
And which side would that be, oh wise one with no bias?
Anonymous
10/23/2016 14:08
Subject: How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:Most of the immigrants who were legalized by Reagan were able to get better jobs and higher incomes. None of them stopped working to get on welfare. Some of them did not become US citizens even though could, preferring to work here and then return to their home countries.
Reagan thought the Dems would uphold their firming up the borders part of the deal. They did not
Anonymous
10/23/2016 14:04
Subject: Re:How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:Interesting, but it's clear from these responses who is a Dem and who is a Repub. the Dems are racing to the defense of the illegals and focusing on their problems (as does Hillary), and the Repubs are focusing on the damage to the system and consequent cost to current Americans (as does Donald.)
But one side is stating facts and the other is not.
Anonymous
10/23/2016 14:03
Subject: How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When Hillary gives all of them amnesty it's going to bankrupt social security and medicare and medicaid. And have a serious impact on the Pell Grant program, too.
And what about the doctor shortage? There aren't enough now to serve our current citizens.
This might be the dumbest comment ever on DCUM, and that's saying something. Are you under the impression that physicians only see citizens? Idiot.
Ah. Another liberal. (I can tell by how rude you are with the unnecessary idiot remark.)
Of course they don't just see only citizens. They even see illegals. But if we make the illegals citizens, and then put on Obamacare so they'll get their care free (they certainly don't as illegals!), you will see them flood into the doctor's offices for all their free exams and appointments and treatments - making it harder for the current, law-abiding citizens to grab a 10-minute appointment with the doctor. Doctors are already reporting a "reversal" among their patients, with the patient load being made up of low-income with free care, and middle-income skipping care because it's become so expensive.
Is that something you can understand?
Anonymous
10/23/2016 13:56
Subject: Re:How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Interesting, but it's clear from these responses who is a Dem and who is a Repub. the Dems are racing to the defense of the illegals and focusing on their problems (as does Hillary), and the Repubs are focusing on the damage to the system and consequent cost to current Americans (as does Donald.)
Anonymous
10/23/2016 13:54
Subject: How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When Hillary gives all of them amnesty it's going to bankrupt social security and medicare and medicaid. And have a serious impact on the Pell Grant program, too.
And what about the doctor shortage? There aren't enough now to serve our current citizens.
This might be the dumbest comment ever on DCUM, and that's saying something. Are you under the impression that physicians only see citizens? Idiot.
Anonymous
10/23/2016 13:53
Subject: How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:Most of the immigrants who were legalized by Reagan were able to get better jobs and higher incomes. None of them stopped working to get on welfare. Some of them did not become US citizens even though could, preferring to work here and then return to their home countries.
Well maybe they were a higher caliber 30 years ago. And that's not a knock on the illegals alone....our entire electorate is lower in caliber than it was 30 years ago. If we were in the 1980s, there is no way we would be having an election between a narcissistic buffoon and a corrupt liar. These two would have been laughed off the political stage a year ago. But I digress....
Anonymous
10/23/2016 13:50
Subject: How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Most of the immigrants who were legalized by Reagan were able to get better jobs and higher incomes. None of them stopped working to get on welfare. Some of them did not become US citizens even though could, preferring to work here and then return to their home countries.
Anonymous
10/23/2016 13:49
Subject: How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:What kind of welfare, entitlement or social service programs is OP referring too that illegal immigrants are getting now?
My DH is an immigrant and recently became a citizen. I also work in public housing so I have a pretty good background and experience with social programs re public housing/ HAP vouchers and SNAP benefits. I cannot think of "welfare" programs that don't require proof of citizenship or residence, but I don't know all the programs. The only one I can think of off the top of my head would be enrolling in public school and qualifying as a FARM student. But as for other programs, what do people think illegals are getting?
1). Illegals usually are terrified of getting caught, they usually would not apply for assistance (or qualify for) food stamps, public housing, Medicaid/Medicare, etc.
2) illegals usually seek help elsewhere, such as free clinics, clothes trees at church, food pantries at organizations, angel tree gifts, etc.
Like a previous poster mentioned, under current law, in applying for a green card you must have a sponsor and that sponsor must certify (which confirmation from their bank and employer) that the sponsor alone has enough wealth and income to support both the sponsor and the applicant to keep them at a level high enough to not qualify for welfare programs.
I don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are bums, sucking our welfare programs dry. I do think the majority are hard working people, who often out of fear are prime for being swindled and abused, and often are willing to do the kind of jobs other people who claim they are looking for any job are not willing to do.
OP here, and again....you didn't read my original question. I KNOW the illegals don't get free stuff now. And I also know (or think....) that legal immigrants must wait 5 years before they are "entitled" to These programs. So my question was "how long until they DO get benefits?" I was saying that if LEGAl Immigrants, who obeyed our laws, must wait 5 years, then we need to make the illegals wait longer.
Also, you don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are sucking our welfare dry, but the majority of immigrants are using these programs, compared to only a third of native-born. So now that we know that immigrants do use government assistance programs disproportionately, together with the fact that we are $20T in debt, it's certainly a reasonable question to wonder how long until the illegals-turned-citizens start pulling from programs that are already becoming insolvent.
Anonymous
10/23/2016 13:38
Subject: Re:How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree with you, pp. But, get ready to be flamed here.
Most of the people who frequent this site seem to not care about illegal immigration.
OP. That's because the majority are liberals. Illegal immigration isn't high on their radar. But I'm concerned that when Hillary wins (probably), she will find a way to "convert" the 10 million illegals to citizenship before the mid-terms in order to win the Congress. At the same time, we are already in $20 trillion od debt, and we simply cannot afford to support the illegals and drive the debt up even further. We are on a path to failure as it is, and this will only hasten
You mean like Reagan did?
I suppose that's what the PP meant and Reagan was a charming guy who happened to have Alzheimers and came from a CA perspective. Remember CA did the water from the North to the South? CA water problems have created our low flush toilets!
So a charming guy with Alzheimers saw many undocumented Mexicans in the LA /SOCAL areas. Amnesty opened a flood. Not a 1 shot deal.
Anonymous
10/23/2016 13:38
Subject: How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
What kind of welfare, entitlement or social service programs is OP referring too that illegal immigrants are getting now?
My DH is an immigrant and recently became a citizen. I also work in public housing so I have a pretty good background and experience with social programs re public housing/ HAP vouchers and SNAP benefits. I cannot think of "welfare" programs that don't require proof of citizenship or residence, but I don't know all the programs. The only one I can think of off the top of my head would be enrolling in public school and qualifying as a FARM student. But as for other programs, what do people think illegals are getting?
1). Illegals usually are terrified of getting caught, they usually would not apply for assistance (or qualify for) food stamps, public housing, Medicaid/Medicare, etc.
2) illegals usually seek help elsewhere, such as free clinics, clothes trees at church, food pantries at organizations, angel tree gifts, etc.
Like a previous poster mentioned, under current law, in applying for a green card you must have a sponsor and that sponsor must certify (which confirmation from their bank and employer) that the sponsor alone has enough wealth and income to support both the sponsor and the applicant to keep them at a level high enough to not qualify for welfare programs.
I don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are bums, sucking our welfare programs dry. I do think the majority are hard working people, who often out of fear are prime for being swindled and abused, and often are willing to do the kind of jobs other people who claim they are looking for any job are not willing to do.
My DH is an immigrant and recently became a citizen. I also work in public housing so I have a pretty good background and experience with social programs re public housing/ HAP vouchers and SNAP benefits. I cannot think of "welfare" programs that don't require proof of citizenship or residence, but I don't know all the programs. The only one I can think of off the top of my head would be enrolling in public school and qualifying as a FARM student. But as for other programs, what do people think illegals are getting?
1). Illegals usually are terrified of getting caught, they usually would not apply for assistance (or qualify for) food stamps, public housing, Medicaid/Medicare, etc.
2) illegals usually seek help elsewhere, such as free clinics, clothes trees at church, food pantries at organizations, angel tree gifts, etc.
Like a previous poster mentioned, under current law, in applying for a green card you must have a sponsor and that sponsor must certify (which confirmation from their bank and employer) that the sponsor alone has enough wealth and income to support both the sponsor and the applicant to keep them at a level high enough to not qualify for welfare programs.
I don't think the majority of illegal immigrants are bums, sucking our welfare programs dry. I do think the majority are hard working people, who often out of fear are prime for being swindled and abused, and often are willing to do the kind of jobs other people who claim they are looking for any job are not willing to do.
Anonymous
10/23/2016 13:37
Subject: How LONG Until Immigrants Get Welfare?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please make up your mind:
Do you hate immigrants because you think they work the low-wage jobs you wouldn't do or do you hate them because you think they don't work the low-wage jobs you wouldn't do?
You can't say they are lazy freeloaders and also say they are taking all your jobs.
Who are you talking to? Obviously, the OP feels that illegals will lean heavily on entitlement programs and linked to a study that shows the majority of immigrants do.
But most threads and complaints about them are claiming they are taking too many jobs. This thread is full of misconceptions. They don't get cash benefits. Their kids do get to go to school.
I'm the OP. I know they don't get cash benefits NOW. My question was how long will they have to wait after Hillary allows them to be citizens to start getting onto the various entitlement programs. (Again, I am talking about ILLEGALS.)
If it were to happen, those details would be part of the legislation. Why don't you look at how Reagan proposed to do it? It is likely to be similar.