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Anonymous wrote:In my kids school, many of the AAP kids have marginal test scores but very high GRBS scores. Those are also the kids whose parents brown nose the AAP administrator. Hmmmm......

many? How many kids' test scores and GBRS scores do you personally have knowledge of to make this statement.

Yes, I wonder that too.

I only know of on other family's score, my best friend's whose kids go to another school.

Who knew that there was a school where a random mom has access to most of the students' confidential test scores and gbrs?

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Anonymous wrote:In my kids school, many of the AAP kids have marginal test scores but very high GRBS scores. Those are also the kids whose parents brown nose the AAP administrator. Hmmmm......

many? How many kids' test scores and GBRS scores do you personally have knowledge of to make this statement.

Anonymous wrote:In my kids school, many of the AAP kids have marginal test scores but very high GRBS scores. Those are also the kids whose parents brown nose the AAP administrator. Hmmmm......

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Anonymous wrote:When you have 25 - 50% in AAP, the term "gifted" has lost all meaning.

There are NOT 25-50% of fcps kids in AAP centers/level IV.

You need to try to brush up on facts.

No, you need to brush up on your facts. Of the three schools closest to my house: One has 35%, one has 33% and the other has 25%. There are schools with up to 50% kids in AAP. That is a fact.

As you know, your experience is not representative. DCPS is a very very large district with over 100 elementary schools and many centers. Overall, approximately 12% of students receive full time level 4 services. Others receive part time services.

Ok, so if 12% are true Level IV AAP, then what about the other 23% who are in class with the level IV, but they are not qualified to be there? Why is it so horrible for them to mix (gasp!) with the Gen Ed kids? You must admit this system is broken.

Ok-- logical and rational though-- not so much your strong suit.

1. Where did you get 23%? Schools with LLIV programs tend to be the schools in highly educated affluent areas where considerably more than 12% qualify. That's why LLIV is an attractive option. Kids can stay at the base school with friends, not bus and get a strong program. In DS's LLIV class 18 kids qualified, 6 were principal placed. DD is in the 7th grade "bulge" class and 30 qualified. None were principal placed.

2. Kids who are principal placed are not just any random GE kids. They are (or should be) the handful of kids who just missed the cut, often kids who are punching below their weight in terms of test scores. The should be the kids who are qualified to be there, and just missed it. Otherwise, the school is doing them a disservice by placing them.

Let's try and be mature and curb the insults. We all know YOU are the smartest on DCUM. You don't need to puff your chest here.

Let me explain my point/question using an actual school. I won't say the name of the school, but I will say it lies somewhere between Alexandria and Falls Church. It is not a center school. There are approx 105 kids in sixth grade. 32% of this class is in AAP. According to previous posters, only approx 12% are likely to be true Level IV AAP qualified students. So, explain to me why it is so important to separate the other 20% kids from the Gen Ed kid population? Especially when that 20% is many times only in the AAP program due to pushy parents and quite frankly "special favors" given by the AAP administrator in the school.

This is just one example as to why many parents think the AAP program has gotten out of hand and has little to no meaning anymore, other than to provide narcissistic parents a way to brag about their kids.

Not the person you are responding to.

You are not making any sense.

Another NP. What exactly don't you understand? It's pretty clear...

No it is not clear at all.

12% on the qualifying tests is not the cut off for AAP. Nor is 12% of any student body.

The cut off for AAP is roughly two standard deviations or more on the qualifying tests, which roughly translates into students who score in the upper 98th percentile, or the top 2% of students who took the tests.

FCPS has a much higher scoring student cohort than most places, so they moved to a separate score that is normed for fcps students only. You can see this on your child's score report.

When you compare the national norm to the fcps norm, you can see how many more students in fcps is in the highest range of students nationwide. This is especially obvious in kids who score in the upper 80s to mid 90s range nationally. Those scores which would qualify for the gifted program in almost any other school district in the country drops down th the 75-upper 80 range when normed exclusively for fcps students.

An area that is a TJ feeder, where parents are moving in droves specifically for TJ chances, is going to have a higher percentage of kids qualifying for AAP who are for the most partall in that upper 97-99% range whe normed nationally. So those big TJ feeders do not have just 12% of their kids in that range, but instead have 25-30% of their kids in that upper range. They are a self selecting group of very educated parents of very intelligent kids all choosing to live in roughly the same area.

That PP is not applying the percentages correctly and clearly does not understand how these tests are normed.

To put it simply, as pp said, her math does not make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Disruptive classes in app? Yes! There are too many kids in aap who need meds!

And too many with parents who are in denial about their child's behavior. He's is not disruptive because he's "bored by curriculum that isn't challenging him." He's disruptive because you've never taught him not to be (or he needs to be on meds). Some of those AAP classrooms are out of control.

And many GE classrooms are out of control (especially when there are pushing) , and some HS classrooms are out of control, etc. Some students of all intelligence levels are disruptive. And some teachers at all levels are incompetent. On whole, though 2e kids will do better in an AAP setting. Which is good for that kid, and good for GE classroom, where the teacher really can't manage the kid, and he is a distraction to other students.

And AAP teachers self select, because they have to be AAP certified, or working on it. So someone out there wants to teach AAP kids.

I didn't realize one of the goals of AAP was the take the problem children out of GE so those poor kids can have a better learning environment. My entire outlook on the program has changed.

My original point, which still stands, is that parents cannot be sure their child will get a "better" education in an AAP class, because it's not all about how smart the rest of the kids in the classroom are. The attitudes and behaviors of those classmates also matters.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have 25 - 50% in AAP, the term "gifted" has lost all meaning.

There are NOT 25-50% of fcps kids in AAP centers/level IV.

You need to try to brush up on facts.

No, you need to brush up on your facts. Of the three schools closest to my house: One has 35%, one has 33% and the other has 25%. There are schools with up to 50% kids in AAP. That is a fact.

As you know, your experience is not representative. DCPS is a very very large district with over 100 elementary schools and many centers. Overall, approximately 12% of students receive full time level 4 services. Others receive part time services.

Ok, so if 12% are true Level IV AAP, then what about the other 23% who are in class with the level IV, but they are not qualified to be there? Why is it so horrible for them to mix (gasp!) with the Gen Ed kids? You must admit this system is broken.

Ok-- logical and rational though-- not so much your strong suit.

1. Where did you get 23%? Schools with LLIV programs tend to be the schools in highly educated affluent areas where considerably more than 12% qualify. That's why LLIV is an attractive option. Kids can stay at the base school with friends, not bus and get a strong program. In DS's LLIV class 18 kids qualified, 6 were principal placed. DD is in the 7th grade "bulge" class and 30 qualified. None were principal placed.

2. Kids who are principal placed are not just any random GE kids. They are (or should be) the handful of kids who just missed the cut, often kids who are punching below their weight in terms of test scores. The should be the kids who are qualified to be there, and just missed it. Otherwise, the school is doing them a disservice by placing them.

Let's try and be mature and curb the insults. We all know YOU are the smartest on DCUM. You don't need to puff your chest here.

Let me explain my point/question using an actual school. I won't say the name of the school, but I will say it lies somewhere between Alexandria and Falls Church. It is not a center school. There are approx 105 kids in sixth grade. 32% of this class is in AAP. According to previous posters, only approx 12% are likely to be true Level IV AAP qualified students. So, explain to me why it is so important to separate the other 20% kids from the Gen Ed kid population? Especially when that 20% is many times only in the AAP program due to pushy parents and quite frankly "special favors" given by the AAP administrator in the school.

This is just one example as to why many parents think the AAP program has gotten out of hand and has little to no meaning anymore, other than to provide narcissistic parents a way to brag about their kids.

Not the person you are responding to.

You are not making any sense.

Another NP. What exactly don't you understand? It's pretty clear...

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Anonymous wrote:Disruptive classes in app? Yes! There are too many kids in aap who need meds!

And too many with parents who are in denial about their child's behavior. He's is not disruptive because he's "bored by curriculum that isn't challenging him." He's disruptive because you've never taught him not to be (or he needs to be on meds). Some of those AAP classrooms are out of control.

And many GE classrooms are out of control (especially when there are pushing) , and some HS classrooms are out of control, etc. Some students of all intelligence levels are disruptive. And some teachers at all levels are incompetent. On whole, though 2e kids will do better in an AAP setting. Which is good for that kid, and good for GE classroom, where the teacher really can't manage the kid, and he is a distraction to other students.

And AAP teachers self select, because they have to be AAP certified, or working on it. So someone out there wants to teach AAP kids.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have 25 - 50% in AAP, the term "gifted" has lost all meaning.

There are NOT 25-50% of fcps kids in AAP centers/level IV.

You need to try to brush up on facts.

No, you need to brush up on your facts. Of the three schools closest to my house: One has 35%, one has 33% and the other has 25%. There are schools with up to 50% kids in AAP. That is a fact.

As you know, your experience is not representative. DCPS is a very very large district with over 100 elementary schools and many centers. Overall, approximately 12% of students receive full time level 4 services. Others receive part time services.

Ok, so if 12% are true Level IV AAP, then what about the other 23% who are in class with the level IV, but they are not qualified to be there? Why is it so horrible for them to mix (gasp!) with the Gen Ed kids? You must admit this system is broken.

Ok-- logical and rational though-- not so much your strong suit.

1. Where did you get 23%? Schools with LLIV programs tend to be the schools in highly educated affluent areas where considerably more than 12% qualify. That's why LLIV is an attractive option. Kids can stay at the base school with friends, not bus and get a strong program. In DS's LLIV class 18 kids qualified, 6 were principal placed. DD is in the 7th grade "bulge" class and 30 qualified. None were principal placed.

2. Kids who are principal placed are not just any random GE kids. They are (or should be) the handful of kids who just missed the cut, often kids who are punching below their weight in terms of test scores. The should be the kids who are qualified to be there, and just missed it. Otherwise, the school is doing them a disservice by placing them.

Let's try and be mature and curb the insults. We all know YOU are the smartest on DCUM. You don't need to puff your chest here.

Let me explain my point/question using an actual school. I won't say the name of the school, but I will say it lies somewhere between Alexandria and Falls Church. It is not a center school. There are approx 105 kids in sixth grade. 32% of this class is in AAP. According to previous posters, only approx 12% are likely to be true Level IV AAP qualified students. So, explain to me why it is so important to separate the other 20% kids from the Gen Ed kid population? Especially when that 20% is many times only in the AAP program due to pushy parents and quite frankly "special favors" given by the AAP administrator in the school.

This is just one example as to why many parents think the AAP program has gotten out of hand and has little to no meaning anymore, other than to provide narcissistic parents a way to brag about their kids.

Not the person you are responding to.

You are not making any sense.

Another NP. What exactly don't you understand? It's pretty clear...

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Anonymous wrote:When you have 25 - 50% in AAP, the term "gifted" has lost all meaning.

There are NOT 25-50% of fcps kids in AAP centers/level IV.

You need to try to brush up on facts.

No, you need to brush up on your facts. Of the three schools closest to my house: One has 35%, one has 33% and the other has 25%. There are schools with up to 50% kids in AAP. That is a fact.

As you know, your experience is not representative. DCPS is a very very large district with over 100 elementary schools and many centers. Overall, approximately 12% of students receive full time level 4 services. Others receive part time services.

Ok, so if 12% are true Level IV AAP, then what about the other 23% who are in class with the level IV, but they are not qualified to be there? Why is it so horrible for them to mix (gasp!) with the Gen Ed kids? You must admit this system is broken.

Ok-- logical and rational though-- not so much your strong suit.

1. Where did you get 23%? Schools with LLIV programs tend to be the schools in highly educated affluent areas where considerably more than 12% qualify. That's why LLIV is an attractive option. Kids can stay at the base school with friends, not bus and get a strong program. In DS's LLIV class 18 kids qualified, 6 were principal placed. DD is in the 7th grade "bulge" class and 30 qualified. None were principal placed.

2. Kids who are principal placed are not just any random GE kids. They are (or should be) the handful of kids who just missed the cut, often kids who are punching below their weight in terms of test scores. The should be the kids who are qualified to be there, and just missed it. Otherwise, the school is doing them a disservice by placing them.

Let's try and be mature and curb the insults. We all know YOU are the smartest on DCUM. You don't need to puff your chest here.

Let me explain my point/question using an actual school. I won't say the name of the school, but I will say it lies somewhere between Alexandria and Falls Church. It is not a center school. There are approx 105 kids in sixth grade. 32% of this class is in AAP. According to previous posters, only approx 12% are likely to be true Level IV AAP qualified students. So, explain to me why it is so important to separate the other 20% kids from the Gen Ed kid population? Especially when that 20% is many times only in the AAP program due to pushy parents and quite frankly "special favors" given by the AAP administrator in the school.

This is just one example as to why many parents think the AAP program has gotten out of hand and has little to no meaning anymore, other than to provide narcissistic parents a way to brag about their kids.

Not the person you are responding to.

You are not making any sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Disruptive classes in app? Yes! There are too many kids in aap who need meds!

And too many with parents who are in denial about their child's behavior. He's is not disruptive because he's "bored by curriculum that isn't challenging him." He's disruptive because you've never taught him not to be (or he needs to be on meds). Some of those AAP classrooms are out of control.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have 25 - 50% in AAP, the term "gifted" has lost all meaning.

There are NOT 25-50% of fcps kids in AAP centers/level IV.

You need to try to brush up on facts.

No, you need to brush up on your facts. Of the three schools closest to my house: One has 35%, one has 33% and the other has 25%. There are schools with up to 50% kids in AAP. That is a fact.

As you know, your experience is not representative. DCPS is a very very large district with over 100 elementary schools and many centers. Overall, approximately 12% of students receive full time level 4 services. Others receive part time services.

Ok, so if 12% are true Level IV AAP, then what about the other 23% who are in class with the level IV, but they are not qualified to be there? Why is it so horrible for them to mix (gasp!) with the Gen Ed kids? You must admit this system is broken.

Ok-- logical and rational though-- not so much your strong suit.

1. Where did you get 23%? Schools with LLIV programs tend to be the schools in highly educated affluent areas where considerably more than 12% qualify. That's why LLIV is an attractive option. Kids can stay at the base school with friends, not bus and get a strong program. In DS's LLIV class 18 kids qualified, 6 were principal placed. DD is in the 7th grade "bulge" class and 30 qualified. None were principal placed.

2. Kids who are principal placed are not just any random GE kids. They are (or should be) the handful of kids who just missed the cut, often kids who are punching below their weight in terms of test scores. The should be the kids who are qualified to be there, and just missed it. Otherwise, the school is doing them a disservice by placing them.

Let's try and be mature and curb the insults. We all know YOU are the smartest on DCUM. You don't need to puff your chest here.

Let me explain my point/question using an actual school. I won't say the name of the school, but I will say it lies somewhere between Alexandria and Falls Church. It is not a center school. There are approx 105 kids in sixth grade. 32% of this class is in AAP. According to previous posters, only approx 12% are likely to be true Level IV AAP qualified students. So, explain to me why it is so important to separate the other 20% kids from the Gen Ed kid population? Especially when that 20% is many times only in the AAP program due to pushy parents and quite frankly "special favors" given by the AAP administrator in the school.

This is just one example as to why many parents think the AAP program has gotten out of hand and has little to no meaning anymore, other than to provide narcissistic parents a way to brag about their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have 25 - 50% in AAP, the term "gifted" has lost all meaning.

There are NOT 25-50% of fcps kids in AAP centers/level IV.

You need to try to brush up on facts.

No, you need to brush up on your facts. Of the three schools closest to my house: One has 35%, one has 33% and the other has 25%. There are schools with up to 50% kids in AAP. That is a fact.

As you know, your experience is not representative. DCPS is a very very large district with over 100 elementary schools and many centers. Overall, approximately 12% of students receive full time level 4 services. Others receive part time services.

Ok, so if 12% are true Level IV AAP, then what about the other 23% who are in class with the level IV, but they are not qualified to be there? Why is it so horrible for them to mix (gasp!) with the Gen Ed kids? You must admit this system is broken.

Ok-- logical and rational though-- not so much your strong suit.

1. Where did you get 23%? Schools with LLIV programs tend to be the schools in highly educated affluent areas where considerably more than 12% qualify. That's why LLIV is an attractive option. Kids can stay at the base school with friends, not bus and get a strong program. In DS's LLIV class 18 kids qualified, 6 were principal placed. DD is in the 7th grade "bulge" class and 30 qualified. None were principal placed.

2. Kids who are principal placed are not just any random GE kids. They are (or should be) the handful of kids who just missed the cut, often kids who are punching below their weight in terms of test scores. The should be the kids who are qualified to be there, and just missed it. Otherwise, the school is doing them a disservice by placing them.

Let's try and be mature and curb the insults. We all know YOU are the smartest on DCUM. You don't need to puff your chest here.

Let me explain my point/question using an actual school. I won't say the name of the school, but I will say it lies somewhere between Alexandria and Falls Church. It is not a center school. There are approx 105 kids in sixth grade. 32% of this class is in AAP. According to previous posters, only approx 12% are likely to be true Level IV AAP qualified students. So, explain to me why it is so important to separate the other 20% kids from the Gen Ed kid population? Especially when that 20% is many times only in the AAP program due to pushy parents and quite frankly "special favors" given by the AAP administrator in the school.

This is just one example as to why many parents think the AAP program has gotten out of hand and has little to no meaning anymore, other than to provide narcissistic parents a way to brag about their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have 25 - 50% in AAP, the term "gifted" has lost all meaning.

There are NOT 25-50% of fcps kids in AAP centers/level IV.

You need to try to brush up on facts.

No, you need to brush up on your facts. Of the three schools closest to my house: One has 35%, one has 33% and the other has 25%. There are schools with up to 50% kids in AAP. That is a fact.

As you know, your experience is not representative. DCPS is a very very large district with over 100 elementary schools and many centers. Overall, approximately 12% of students receive full time level 4 services. Others receive part time services.

Ok, so if 12% are true Level IV AAP, then what about the other 23% who are in class with the level IV, but they are not qualified to be there? Why is it so horrible for them to mix (gasp!) with the Gen Ed kids? You must admit this system is broken.

Ok-- logical and rational though-- not so much your strong suit.

1. Where did you get 23%? Schools with LLIV programs tend to be the schools in highly educated affluent areas where considerably more than 12% qualify. That's why LLIV is an attractive option. Kids can stay at the base school with friends, not bus and get a strong program. In DS's LLIV class 18 kids qualified, 6 were principal placed. DD is in the 7th grade "bulge" class and 30 qualified. None were principal placed.

2. Kids who are principal placed are not just any random GE kids. They are (or should be) the handful of kids who just missed the cut, often kids who are punching below their weight in terms of test scores. The should be the kids who are qualified to be there, and just missed it. Otherwise, the school is doing them a disservice by placing them.

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