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We absolutely hated being such pain in the ass parents about it in sixth grade but what math a kid takes in 6th grade in APS can very much affect what math track they are on throughout high school.

A kid who takes 6th grade math in 6th grade can still take calculus by 12th grade. What exactly are you worried about?

Didn't say it wasn't possible. That track, however, generally leads to pre calculus in 12th.

To get calculus do they need to double up one year? Is summer school an option to "catch up"?

Nope. Just stay on track. The default is Math 6, Math 7, Algebra, ending with Calculus AB in 12th grade. But if a kid takes Algebra intensified in 8th, s/he'll be on track for BC in 12th.

Kids can do this in middle school
http://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/MS-Pathways-2016-2017.pdf

And end up here:
http://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/HS-POS-Pathways-2016-2017.pdf

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We absolutely hated being such pain in the ass parents about it in sixth grade but what math a kid takes in 6th grade in APS can very much affect what math track they are on throughout high school.

A kid who takes 6th grade math in 6th grade can still take calculus by 12th grade. What exactly are you worried about?

Didn't say it wasn't possible. That track, however, generally leads to pre calculus in 12th.

To get calculus do they need to double up one year? Is summer school an option to "catch up"?

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We absolutely hated being such pain in the ass parents about it in sixth grade but what math a kid takes in 6th grade in APS can very much affect what math track they are on throughout high school.

A kid who takes 6th grade math in 6th grade can still take calculus by 12th grade. What exactly are you worried about?

Didn't say it wasn't possible. That track, however, generally leads to pre calculus in 12th.

Anonymous wrote:If GT services at the elementary school level aren't giving our kids a leg up in the college admissions process, then I don't really get the point. And my kid has been identified as GT. He likes his GT teacher, but I am not convinced the extra "homework" is really doing anything for his longer-term success. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I was really surprised by the college acceptance rates that were reported in that same magazine. I think we are wasting a lot of energy arguing about this stuff, when everyone should be focused on what APS high school looks like in 5-10 years when we are 3,000 high school seats short of what we need. We're arguing over how Ks end up getting selected to do extra math worksheets, and meanwhile all the local ivy league college slots are going to Fairfax and Montgomery County kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it funny that all the siblings in many of the families are all gifted--even though they have vastly different intelligence and personalities.

That should tell you something right there.

This is a school where all of the parents have advanced graduate and professional degrees--yet it's just the same families in the program.

Statistically, that isn't even possible.

It's actually very common and normal. Sibling IQs tend to be within 10 points of each other.

Newsflash: So are 90% of the children at any of the N. Arlington school's. Not just your family members. 90% of could meet the criteria the school uses for gifted. It's the idea that only certain families (3, 4, 5 siblings) all magically are accepted at 5.

Then Arlington uses a pretty low standard. The standard should be top 2%. Move.

It's because those families with lots of kid know the system.

APS is over-crowded.

The bar for determining a Kindergartner is GT is extremely low and highly subjective. If a kid went to an academic vs a play-based preschool there is a big difference at entry-level--even when studies show the play-based preschool will begin to quickly eclipse the traditional preschool kid by 3rd grade.

Once the 5-year old (fucking ridiculous) gets this label it's with them for life no matter how poorly they score on standardized tests in the later years or how they actually perform in the classroom/grades.

Our school puts these designated GT-kids at the top of the line for services from there out. They fill the high group math and high group classes with GT kids even when those kids have test scores much, much lower and lower grades than a kid whose parents didn't did the phony pony show or lobby for GT at age 5-6.

So now the much smarter kid is squeezed out of services and a spot in the accelerated 5th grade classes. By middle school and HS this child will be behind these same kids for advanced algebra, AP classes, etc.

Sound fair or legit?

All based on one nitwits judgement of the intellect of a kid just a few years out of diapers.

This is why some of those families have every kid designated as soon as they enter the system, They knew what was at stake down the pipe and that this same kid most likely will have a much harder time getting that designation down the pipe.

Those that thought objective criteria would be used are screwed.

None of my 4 DCs were in accelerated language arts or math classes in their APS elementary school and it made no difference what honors/AP/IB classes they could take once they got to high school. Math is easily remedied if your child is indeed capable of handling it. When your DC gets to middle school, have your child placed in the upper level math. The counselor may give you a hard time but in the end it's your decision. My first DC was placed in accelerated math in 6th grade and we saw the consequences to his friends who weren't. So when our second and fourth DCs were placed in regular 6th grade math we insisted they be moved to accelerated math. Both still got As and the older of the two is now a math major at UVA. We absolutely hated being such pain in the ass parents about it in sixth grade but what math a kid takes in 6th grade in APS can very much affect what math track they are on throughout high school.

That's fine for you. But, unfortunately, due to overcrowding and capacity issues which are getting monumentally worse by the year they most certainly can and will deny kids for space reasons in those classrooms.

It's also in my DNA not to be one of these douchebag parents. I always believe if deserved, talent will be recognized. I am honest about my children's abilities. I refuse to lobby for something I think is unfounded in Kindergarten.

Unfortunately, N Arlington is 99% populated by busy-body douchebags. They are on the travel soccer and baseball sidelines. I don't know how they breathe with so much shit up their nostrils from all this brown nosing.

The cream does always rise to the top. The parents will eventually hit a brick wall. It happens all of the time. It's crushing to kids that were always told they were the best. They develop zero grit.

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We absolutely hated being such pain in the ass parents about it in sixth grade but what math a kid takes in 6th grade in APS can very much affect what math track they are on throughout high school.

A kid who takes 6th grade math in 6th grade can still take calculus by 12th grade. What exactly are you worried about?

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Anonymous wrote:I find it funny that all the siblings in many of the families are all gifted--even though they have vastly different intelligence and personalities.

That should tell you something right there.

This is a school where all of the parents have advanced graduate and professional degrees--yet it's just the same families in the program.

Statistically, that isn't even possible.

It's actually very common and normal. Sibling IQs tend to be within 10 points of each other.

Newsflash: So are 90% of the children at any of the N. Arlington school's. Not just your family members. 90% of could meet the criteria the school uses for gifted. It's the idea that only certain families (3, 4, 5 siblings) all magically are accepted at 5.

Then Arlington uses a pretty low standard. The standard should be top 2%. Move.

It's because those families with lots of kid know the system.

APS is over-crowded.

The bar for determining a Kindergartner is GT is extremely low and highly subjective. If a kid went to an academic vs a play-based preschool there is a big difference at entry-level--even when studies show the play-based preschool will begin to quickly eclipse the traditional preschool kid by 3rd grade.

Once the 5-year old (fucking ridiculous) gets this label it's with them for life no matter how poorly they score on standardized tests in the later years or how they actually perform in the classroom/grades.

Our school puts these designated GT-kids at the top of the line for services from there out. They fill the high group math and high group classes with GT kids even when those kids have test scores much, much lower and lower grades than a kid whose parents didn't did the phony pony show or lobby for GT at age 5-6.

So now the much smarter kid is squeezed out of services and a spot in the accelerated 5th grade classes. By middle school and HS this child will be behind these same kids for advanced algebra, AP classes, etc.

Sound fair or legit?

All based on one nitwits judgement of the intellect of a kid just a few years out of diapers.

This is why some of those families have every kid designated as soon as they enter the system, They knew what was at stake down the pipe and that this same kid most likely will have a much harder time getting that designation down the pipe.

Those that thought objective criteria would be used are screwed.

None of my 4 DCs were in accelerated language arts or math classes in their APS elementary school and it made no difference what honors/AP/IB classes they could take once they got to high school. Math is easily remedied if your child is indeed capable of handling it. When your DC gets to middle school, have your child placed in the upper level math. The counselor may give you a hard time but in the end it's your decision. My first DC was placed in accelerated math in 6th grade and we saw the consequences to his friends who weren't. So when our second and fourth DCs were placed in regular 6th grade math we insisted they be moved to accelerated math. Both still got As and the older of the two is now a math major at UVA. We absolutely hated being such pain in the ass parents about it in sixth grade but what math a kid takes in 6th grade in APS can very much affect what math track they are on throughout high school.

That's fine for you. But, unfortunately, due to overcrowding and capacity issues which are getting monumentally worse by the year they most certainly can and will deny kids for space reasons in those classrooms.

It's also in my DNA not to be one of these douchebag parents. I always believe if deserved, talent will be recognized. I am honest about my children's abilities. I refuse to lobby for something I think is unfounded in Kindergarten.

Unfortunately, N Arlington is 99% populated by busy-body douchebags. They are on the travel soccer and baseball sidelines. I don't know how they breathe with so much shit up their nostrils from all this brown nosing.

The cream does always rise to the top. The parents will eventually hit a brick wall. It happens all of the time. It's crushing to kids that were always told they were the best. They develop zero grit.

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We absolutely hated being such pain in the ass parents about it in sixth grade but what math a kid takes in 6th grade in APS can very much affect what math track they are on throughout high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it funny that all the siblings in many of the families are all gifted--even though they have vastly different intelligence and personalities.

That should tell you something right there.

This is a school where all of the parents have advanced graduate and professional degrees--yet it's just the same families in the program.

Statistically, that isn't even possible.

It's actually very common and normal. Sibling IQs tend to be within 10 points of each other.

Newsflash: So are 90% of the children at any of the N. Arlington school's. Not just your family members. 90% of could meet the criteria the school uses for gifted. It's the idea that only certain families (3, 4, 5 siblings) all magically are accepted at 5.

Then Arlington uses a pretty low standard. The standard should be top 2%. Move.

It's because those families with lots of kid know the system.

APS is over-crowded.

The bar for determining a Kindergartner is GT is extremely low and highly subjective. If a kid went to an academic vs a play-based preschool there is a big difference at entry-level--even when studies show the play-based preschool will begin to quickly eclipse the traditional preschool kid by 3rd grade.

Once the 5-year old (fucking ridiculous) gets this label it's with them for life no matter how poorly they score on standardized tests in the later years or how they actually perform in the classroom/grades.

Our school puts these designated GT-kids at the top of the line for services from there out. They fill the high group math and high group classes with GT kids even when those kids have test scores much, much lower and lower grades than a kid whose parents didn't did the phony pony show or lobby for GT at age 5-6.

So now the much smarter kid is squeezed out of services and a spot in the accelerated 5th grade classes. By middle school and HS this child will be behind these same kids for advanced algebra, AP classes, etc.

Sound fair or legit?

All based on one nitwits judgement of the intellect of a kid just a few years out of diapers.

This is why some of those families have every kid designated as soon as they enter the system, They knew what was at stake down the pipe and that this same kid most likely will have a much harder time getting that designation down the pipe.

Those that thought objective criteria would be used are screwed.

None of my 4 DCs were in accelerated language arts or math classes in their APS elementary school and it made no difference what honors/AP/IB classes they could take once they got to high school. Math is easily remedied if your child is indeed capable of handling it. When your DC gets to middle school, have your child placed in the upper level math. The counselor may give you a hard time but in the end it's your decision. My first DC was placed in accelerated math in 6th grade and we saw the consequences to his friends who weren't. So when our second and fourth DCs were placed in regular 6th grade math we insisted they be moved to accelerated math. Both still got As and the older of the two is now a math major at UVA. We absolutely hated being such pain in the ass parents about it in sixth grade but what math a kid takes in 6th grade in APS can very much affect what math track they are on throughout high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it funny that all the siblings in many of the families are all gifted--even though they have vastly different intelligence and personalities.

That should tell you something right there.

This is a school where all of the parents have advanced graduate and professional degrees--yet it's just the same families in the program.

Statistically, that isn't even possible.

It's actually very common and normal. Sibling IQs tend to be within 10 points of each other.

Newsflash: So are 90% of the children at any of the N. Arlington school's. Not just your family members. 90% of could meet the criteria the school uses for gifted. It's the idea that only certain families (3, 4, 5 siblings) all magically are accepted at 5.

Then Arlington uses a pretty low standard. The standard should be top 2%. Move.

It's because those families with lots of kid know the system.

APS is over-crowded.

The bar for determining a Kindergartner is GT is extremely low and highly subjective. If a kid went to an academic vs a play-based preschool there is a big difference at entry-level--even when studies show the play-based preschool will begin to quickly eclipse the traditional preschool kid by 3rd grade.

Once the 5-year old (fucking ridiculous) gets this label it's with them for life no matter how poorly they score on standardized tests in the later years or how they actually perform in the classroom/grades.

Our school puts these designated GT-kids at the top of the line for services from there out. They fill the high group math and high group classes with GT kids even when those kids have test scores much, much lower and lower grades than a kid whose parents didn't did the phony pony show or lobby for GT at age 5-6.

So now the much smarter kid is squeezed out of services and a spot in the accelerated 5th grade classes. By middle school and HS this child will be behind these same kids for advanced algebra, AP classes, etc.

Sound fair or legit?

All based on one nitwits judgement of the intellect of a kid just a few years out of diapers.

This is why some of those families have every kid designated as soon as they enter the system, They knew what was at stake down the pipe and that this same kid most likely will have a much harder time getting that designation down the pipe.

Those that thought objective criteria would be used are screwed.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe they've followed up on aap in Fairfax, and those kids haven't out performed AP students who didn't do aap. There really isn't that much at stake.
And if you are so worried that your budding north Arlington rocket scientist won't be placed into GT, move to south Arlington. It's much easier to get a GT designation at Randolf or Drew.

This isn't true. There is no study on this. I'd love to see one, though.

Anonymous wrote:I believe they've followed up on aap in Fairfax, and those kids haven't out performed AP students who didn't do aap. There really isn't that much at stake.
And if you are so worried that your budding north Arlington rocket scientist won't be placed into GT, move to south Arlington. It's much easier to get a GT designation at Randolf or Drew.

Anonymous wrote:I believe they've followed up on aap in Fairfax, and those kids haven't out performed AP students who didn't do aap. There really isn't that much at stake.
And if you are so worried that your budding north Arlington rocket scientist won't be placed into GT, move to south Arlington. It's much easier to get a GT designation at Randolf or Drew.

Anonymous wrote: The pool is too high. You are better to go to a High School with a less educated populace so you are a big fish in a small pond. The competition is too large here.

There is a cap on the number of students from any one area or HS. Also, everyone is white so nobody is getting affirmative action acceptances.