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Anonymous wrote:Delete the other woman's info, get rid of the texts, be completely open in terms of letting your wife see your phone, your texts, emails, etc. Don't ever say "I'm going out" but be specific and let her know where you're going.

Basically, be HONEST and TRANSPARENT. Be patient.

All thie ^^^
Making amends after 7 months of texting & flirting with an ex is going to take time. A lot of time. Keep being there for her.

I like that you are going to therapy. That will help.

How about you ask your wife what she wants to see from you?

I already did and she doesn't want to feel like she has to tell me how to make amends. I should already know how and it has to be my own ideas. I am stuck here other than setting up date nights or a weekend trip. I'm not winning any points for the day to day help that makes her life easier.

So she expects you to be a mind reader? That's helpful.

No, she expects OP to put his own energy into figuring out how to make amends. He broke it, he shouldn't make her spend time thinking of ways to fix it. Plus, if he is just doing what she tells him to, it is inauthentic. He is not doing it because HE wants to and HE thinks it would be a good idea, he is doing it because he was told to do it and if he does it he thinks the forgiveness box is checked off.

As previous PPs note, OP seems to view himself as a subordinate in this relationship. He is "helping" with the baby. He is "being supportive". Etc. All this sounds good on the surface -- "I am a good guy, I help." -- but the reality underneath is that OP is not an all in, equal partner.

OP, it sounds like the revelation of the cheating prompted your wife to evaluate the relationship. He is what she saw: "Hmm. I don't have an equal partner in parenting. I don't have a reliable and trustworthy intimate partner. I am a financial equal and can take care of myself and our kid financially. So, why the hell am I married? I should just get out of this crappy relationship where I am putting in more effort and care than my partner. I don't want to live like that for the rest of my life. I don't want to teach my kids to expect so little in life. The kids and I would be better off divorced. "

BTW, on the "she doesn't believe I didn't sleep with the ex" problem. Why should she trust your answer on this? You have already demonstrated your untrustworthiness. Who in their right mind trusts a known liar (you)? You can only say to your wife, "What I did was very wrong, and I am trying to fix myself so that it never happens again. I want you to know that I didn't meet or sleep with this woman, and that I never intended or thought about doing so. I can understand why you don't believe me though given what I did do. I want you to know that I am fully committed to you and to the extent it can allay your fears, you have full access to my phone, texts, emails, whereabouts, etc., forever. "

And, finally, if you really don't understand that what you did was cheating, you need much more time in therapy. What you did was manipulative -- you kept something secret from your wife you knew she wouldn't like in order to avoid her reacting in a way that you wouldn't like. Responsible adults don't behave like that. It's called "intimate betrayal," and it's abusive and can be traumatic, especially when the partner is in a vulnerable, dependent position (like being a new mom where she is dependent on the husband for economic and parenting support). Read up on it.

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Anonymous wrote:Delete the other woman's info, get rid of the texts, be completely open in terms of letting your wife see your phone, your texts, emails, etc. Don't ever say "I'm going out" but be specific and let her know where you're going.

Basically, be HONEST and TRANSPARENT. Be patient.

All thie ^^^
Making amends after 7 months of texting & flirting with an ex is going to take time. A lot of time. Keep being there for her.

I like that you are going to therapy. That will help.

How about you ask your wife what she wants to see from you?

I already did and she doesn't want to feel like she has to tell me how to make amends. I should already know how and it has to be my own ideas. I am stuck here other than setting up date nights or a weekend trip. I'm not winning any points for the day to day help that makes her life easier.

So she expects you to be a mind reader? That's helpful.

No, she expects OP to put his own energy into figuring out how to make amends. He broke it, he shouldn't make her spend time thinking of ways to fix it. Plus, if he is just doing what she tells him to, it is inauthentic. He is not doing it because HE wants to and HE thinks it would be a good idea, he is doing it because he was told to do it and if he does it he thinks the forgiveness box is checked off.

As previous PPs note, OP seems to view himself as a subordinate in this relationship. He is "helping" with the baby. He is "being supportive". Etc. All this sounds good on the surface -- "I am a good guy, I help." -- but the reality underneath is that OP is not an all in, equal partner.

OP, it sounds like the revelation of the cheating prompted your wife to evaluate the relationship. He is what she saw: "Hmm. I don't have an equal partner in parenting. I don't have a reliable and trustworthy intimate partner. I am a financial equal and can take care of myself and our kid financially. So, why the hell am I married? I should just get out of this crappy relationship where I am putting in more effort and care than my partner. I don't want to live like that for the rest of my life. I don't want to teach my kids to expect so little in life. The kids and I would be better off divorced. "

BTW, on the "she doesn't believe I didn't sleep with the ex" problem. Why should she trust your answer on this? You have already demonstrated your untrustworthiness. Who in their right mind trusts a known liar (you)? You can only say to your wife, "What I did was very wrong, and I am trying to fix myself so that it never happens again. I want you to know that I didn't meet or sleep with this woman, and that I never intended or thought about doing so. I can understand why you don't believe me though given what I did do. I want you to know that I am fully committed to you and to the extent it can allay your fears, you have full access to my phone, texts, emails, whereabouts, etc., forever. "

And, finally, if you really don't understand that what you did was cheating, you need much more time in therapy. What you did was manipulative -- you kept something secret from your wife you knew she wouldn't like in order to avoid her reacting in a way that you wouldn't like. Responsible adults don't behave like that. It's called "intimate betrayal," and it's abusive and can be traumatic, especially when the partner is in a vulnerable, dependent position (like being a new mom where she is dependent on the husband for economic and parenting support). Read up on it.

I can appreciate where this is coming from, but it is an immature and unproductive approach. The reality is that it takes both partners in the marriage in order to fix it. There is no single one thing that OP can do on his own that will magically fix things.

Anonymous wrote:Also, you can choose to believe it or not, but my marriage IS stronger (I am the one who had the emotional affair). It has been a very painful process for my spouse (and for me), but believe me, it is stronger. It is not without scars because of the wounds I inflicted on my spouse.

And it is not stronger because my spouse fixed something that drove me to an emotional affair, because the reason I had an emotional affair had nothing to do with something my spouse was lacking. I had an emotional affair because of my own weaknesses and character flaws, and I own that.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I was in your shoes not too long ago. I essentially did the same thing, even though I love my spouse very much. I had a weakness with this one person from my past who I should never have allowed back into my life, even as a friend. It took a good three months until we weren't talking about it and shedding tears about it every day. My spouse never wanted out of the marriage over it, though, that I know of.

What helped was for me to offer complete transparency, which I continued to do to this day, about 9 months later. I also answered all questions openly, honestly, and without being upset that the questions were asked in the first place. I think it also helped that my spouse saw how upset I was, saw the regret and shame I felt. I also went into counseling, which we are now doing together.

It sounds like the difference for you is that your spouse does not seem to want to work on the marriage. Is that true? Are there other major issues within your marriage that you have not mentioned? For us--and I know some people will call BS on this -- but we were actually pretty happy before this happened. Not perfect, but happy and in a loving marriage. What's your history?

If you're both willing to work on the marriage, to express yourselves openly, and to show vulnerabilities, you can heal from this. Dig deeper in order to get to know each other more. Just a short 9 months later my spouse and I are doing so much better, but we have both worked for it.

OP here. Thanks for sharing. This is exactly what happened with this particular person. She doesn't really want to work on the marriage b/c she doesn't think she did anything wrong. It took several weeks to get her to come to counseling and it went better than I thought this past weekend. But out of the session, she is expecting that I am already planning everything out and jumping through hoops.

We were pretty happy in the marriage before this happened just like you. She will work on it, but only if I am able to demonstrate my love. I just need to know what she considers amends so that I am not grasping at straws.

I am the PP you are responding to. The thing is, she didn't do anything to "deserve" your emotional affair or whatever the two of you have decided to call it. My spouse did nothing to cause me to have an emotional affair, either. My spouse did a lot of self-blaming even though I always take 100% responsibility, offering no excuses. Now, throughout the counseling process we have discovered the weaknesses in our marriage. We haven't focused on finger-pointing, but rather strengthening ourselves as individuals and strengthening our marriage. It has allowed us to focus on each of our needs within the relationship, and what the other can do in order to fulfill them. This was sure a shitty way to go about it, and I wouldn't recommend it, but we are ending up stronger because of my emotional affair and the ensuing work we have put into our marriage.

It sounds like the difference is that your wife wants you to just fix things. This is the thing that sucks about affairs. You are the one who betrayed your spouse, but the betrayed spouse, however innocent, has to do a lot of the work in order to heal things. The affair is your fault, but because it is a marriage, you can't fix it by yourself. You both need to do the work. That was the hardest part of what I did-- knowing that I could not just fix everything I fucked up, but that a huge part of the onus was on my innocent spouse.

As a cheated upon wife, I actually find the whole above exchange between OP and PP offensive, delusional and so typical of the kind of "reconciliation" that is forced upon wives. First, when OP says "she doesn't want to work on marriage because she doesn't think she did anything wrong," OP's wife is oh, so right. The failure of the wife to do something or the failure of an aspect of a marriage or the OP's "not getting his need met in marriage" is not the cause of cheating (whether it's physical sex, or emotional cheating). The cause of that is the OP himself -- his own weakness in seeking to get needs met in an inappropriate way. That is not wife's fault. That is not something wife can fix in therapy; it's not her job at all to fix OP.

In fact, I view cheating as emotionally abusive and it is NOT appropriate for a therapist to solve abuse by having the abuser and the victim together in therapy. I know lots of marital counselors take this approach -- putting the couple into therapy to fix the problem in the marriage -- but it is wrong. PP's description of therapy sounds like this approach. Basically the message sent to the spouse by this kind of therapy is, "you failed to provide something, so your spouse sought it outside the marriage. If you provide that something now and in the future, then spouse will no longer cheat." This is really manipulative. Most of the time, cheating partners like PP believe the "marriage is stronger" but in reality, the wife has just decided to swallow the crap and move on. This doesn't really make the marriage stronger.

PP is right about one thing -- you can't fix a marriage by yourself and the cheating partner cannot by himself continue the marriage. It is entirely up to the victim spouse to decide -- does she want a marriage like this (one broken by trust)? Does she want to live, on balance, with this partner (who has X good qualities and Y crappy ones).

I am the PP you quoted, and I never said that the weakness of the marriage were what caused the cheating. However, the ensuing process of healing also presents an opportunity to work to strengthen the relationship and learn about one another's needs.

The bottom line, though, is that some of the burden in the healing process IS on the cheated upon spouse, by nature of a process that involves the relationship between two people. It is a sad and difficult to accept truth, but still the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I was in your shoes not too long ago. I essentially did the same thing, even though I love my spouse very much. I had a weakness with this one person from my past who I should never have allowed back into my life, even as a friend. It took a good three months until we weren't talking about it and shedding tears about it every day. My spouse never wanted out of the marriage over it, though, that I know of.

What helped was for me to offer complete transparency, which I continued to do to this day, about 9 months later. I also answered all questions openly, honestly, and without being upset that the questions were asked in the first place. I think it also helped that my spouse saw how upset I was, saw the regret and shame I felt. I also went into counseling, which we are now doing together.

It sounds like the difference for you is that your spouse does not seem to want to work on the marriage. Is that true? Are there other major issues within your marriage that you have not mentioned? For us--and I know some people will call BS on this -- but we were actually pretty happy before this happened. Not perfect, but happy and in a loving marriage. What's your history?

If you're both willing to work on the marriage, to express yourselves openly, and to show vulnerabilities, you can heal from this. Dig deeper in order to get to know each other more. Just a short 9 months later my spouse and I are doing so much better, but we have both worked for it.

OP here. Thanks for sharing. This is exactly what happened with this particular person. She doesn't really want to work on the marriage b/c she doesn't think she did anything wrong. It took several weeks to get her to come to counseling and it went better than I thought this past weekend. But out of the session, she is expecting that I am already planning everything out and jumping through hoops.

We were pretty happy in the marriage before this happened just like you. She will work on it, but only if I am able to demonstrate my love. I just need to know what she considers amends so that I am not grasping at straws.

I am the PP you are responding to. The thing is, she didn't do anything to "deserve" your emotional affair or whatever the two of you have decided to call it. My spouse did nothing to cause me to have an emotional affair, either. My spouse did a lot of self-blaming even though I always take 100% responsibility, offering no excuses. Now, throughout the counseling process we have discovered the weaknesses in our marriage. We haven't focused on finger-pointing, but rather strengthening ourselves as individuals and strengthening our marriage. It has allowed us to focus on each of our needs within the relationship, and what the other can do in order to fulfill them. This was sure a shitty way to go about it, and I wouldn't recommend it, but we are ending up stronger because of my emotional affair and the ensuing work we have put into our marriage.

It sounds like the difference is that your wife wants you to just fix things. This is the thing that sucks about affairs. You are the one who betrayed your spouse, but the betrayed spouse, however innocent, has to do a lot of the work in order to heal things. The affair is your fault, but because it is a marriage, you can't fix it by yourself. You both need to do the work. That was the hardest part of what I did-- knowing that I could not just fix everything I fucked up, but that a huge part of the onus was on my innocent spouse.

As a cheated upon wife, I actually find the whole above exchange between OP and PP offensive, delusional and so typical of the kind of "reconciliation" that is forced upon wives. First, when OP says "she doesn't want to work on marriage because she doesn't think she did anything wrong," OP's wife is oh, so right. The failure of the wife to do something or the failure of an aspect of a marriage or the OP's "not getting his need met in marriage" is not the cause of cheating (whether it's physical sex, or emotional cheating). The cause of that is the OP himself -- his own weakness in seeking to get needs met in an inappropriate way. That is not wife's fault. That is not something wife can fix in therapy; it's not her job at all to fix OP.

In fact, I view cheating as emotionally abusive and it is NOT appropriate for a therapist to solve abuse by having the abuser and the victim together in therapy. I know lots of marital counselors take this approach -- putting the couple into therapy to fix the problem in the marriage -- but it is wrong. PP's description of therapy sounds like this approach. Basically the message sent to the spouse by this kind of therapy is, "you failed to provide something, so your spouse sought it outside the marriage. If you provide that something now and in the future, then spouse will no longer cheat." This is really manipulative. Most of the time, cheating partners like PP believe the "marriage is stronger" but in reality, the wife has just decided to swallow the crap and move on. This doesn't really make the marriage stronger.

PP is right about one thing -- you can't fix a marriage by yourself and the cheating partner cannot by himself continue the marriage. It is entirely up to the victim spouse to decide -- does she want a marriage like this (one broken by trust)? Does she want to live, on balance, with this partner (who has X good qualities and Y crappy ones).

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As a cheated upon wife, I actually find the whole above exchange between OP and PP offensive, delusional and so typical of the kind of "reconciliation" that is forced upon wives. First, when OP says "she doesn't want to work on marriage because she doesn't think she did anything wrong," OP's wife is oh, so right. The failure of the wife to do something or the failure of an aspect of a marriage or the OP's "not getting his need met in marriage" is not the cause of cheating (whether it's physical sex, or emotional cheating). The cause of that is the OP himself -- his own weakness in seeking to get needs met in an inappropriate way. That is not wife's fault. That is not something wife can fix in therapy; it's not her job at all to fix OP.

In fact, I view cheating as emotionally abusive and it is NOT appropriate for a therapist to solve abuse by having the abuser and the victim together in therapy. I know lots of marital counselors take this approach -- putting the couple into therapy to fix the problem in the marriage -- but it is wrong. PP's description of therapy sounds like this approach. Basically the message sent to the spouse by this kind of therapy is, "you failed to provide something, so your spouse sought it outside the marriage. If you provide that something now and in the future, then spouse will no longer cheat." This is really manipulative. Most of the time, cheating partners like PP believe the "marriage is stronger" but in reality, the wife has just decided to swallow the crap and move on. This doesn't really make the marriage stronger.

PP is right about one thing -- you can't fix a marriage by yourself and the cheating partner cannot by himself continue the marriage. It is entirely up to the victim spouse to decide -- does she want a marriage like this (one broken by trust)? Does she want to live, on balance, with this partner (who has X good qualities and Y crappy ones).

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I was in your shoes not too long ago. I essentially did the same thing, even though I love my spouse very much. I had a weakness with this one person from my past who I should never have allowed back into my life, even as a friend. It took a good three months until we weren't talking about it and shedding tears about it every day. My spouse never wanted out of the marriage over it, though, that I know of.

What helped was for me to offer complete transparency, which I continued to do to this day, about 9 months later. I also answered all questions openly, honestly, and without being upset that the questions were asked in the first place. I think it also helped that my spouse saw how upset I was, saw the regret and shame I felt. I also went into counseling, which we are now doing together.

It sounds like the difference for you is that your spouse does not seem to want to work on the marriage. Is that true? Are there other major issues within your marriage that you have not mentioned? For us--and I know some people will call BS on this -- but we were actually pretty happy before this happened. Not perfect, but happy and in a loving marriage. What's your history?

If you're both willing to work on the marriage, to express yourselves openly, and to show vulnerabilities, you can heal from this. Dig deeper in order to get to know each other more. Just a short 9 months later my spouse and I are doing so much better, but we have both worked for it.

OP here. Thanks for sharing. This is exactly what happened with this particular person. She doesn't really want to work on the marriage b/c she doesn't think she did anything wrong. It took several weeks to get her to come to counseling and it went better than I thought this past weekend. But out of the session, she is expecting that I am already planning everything out and jumping through hoops.

We were pretty happy in the marriage before this happened just like you. She will work on it, but only if I am able to demonstrate my love. I just need to know what she considers amends so that I am not grasping at straws.

I am the PP you are responding to. The thing is, she didn't do anything to "deserve" your emotional affair or whatever the two of you have decided to call it. My spouse did nothing to cause me to have an emotional affair, either. My spouse did a lot of self-blaming even though I always take 100% responsibility, offering no excuses. Now, throughout the counseling process we have discovered the weaknesses in our marriage. We haven't focused on finger-pointing, but rather strengthening ourselves as individuals and strengthening our marriage. It has allowed us to focus on each of our needs within the relationship, and what the other can do in order to fulfill them. This was sure a shitty way to go about it, and I wouldn't recommend it, but we are ending up stronger because of my emotional affair and the ensuing work we have put into our marriage.

It sounds like the difference is that your wife wants you to just fix things. This is the thing that sucks about affairs. You are the one who betrayed your spouse, but the betrayed spouse, however innocent, has to do a lot of the work in order to heal things. The affair is your fault, but because it is a marriage, you can't fix it by yourself. You both need to do the work. That was the hardest part of what I did-- knowing that I could not just fix everything I fucked up, but that a huge part of the onus was on my innocent spouse.

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Anonymous wrote:Delete the other woman's info, get rid of the texts, be completely open in terms of letting your wife see your phone, your texts, emails, etc. Don't ever say "I'm going out" but be specific and let her know where you're going.

Basically, be HONEST and TRANSPARENT. Be patient.

All thie ^^^
Making amends after 7 months of texting & flirting with an ex is going to take time. A lot of time. Keep being there for her.

I like that you are going to therapy. That will help.

How about you ask your wife what she wants to see from you?

I already did and she doesn't want to feel like she has to tell me how to make amends. I should already know how and it has to be my own ideas. I am stuck here other than setting up date nights or a weekend trip. I'm not winning any points for the day to day help that makes her life easier.

So she expects you to be a mind reader? That's helpful.

No, she expects OP to put his own energy into figuring out how to make amends. He broke it, he shouldn't make her spend time thinking of ways to fix it. Plus, if he is just doing what she tells him to, it is inauthentic. He is not doing it because HE wants to and HE thinks it would be a good idea, he is doing it because he was told to do it and if he does it he thinks the forgiveness box is checked off.

As previous PPs note, OP seems to view himself as a subordinate in this relationship. He is "helping" with the baby. He is "being supportive". Etc. All this sounds good on the surface -- "I am a good guy, I help." -- but the reality underneath is that OP is not an all in, equal partner.

OP, it sounds like the revelation of the cheating prompted your wife to evaluate the relationship. He is what she saw: "Hmm. I don't have an equal partner in parenting. I don't have a reliable and trustworthy intimate partner. I am a financial equal and can take care of myself and our kid financially. So, why the hell am I married? I should just get out of this crappy relationship where I am putting in more effort and care than my partner. I don't want to live like that for the rest of my life. I don't want to teach my kids to expect so little in life. The kids and I would be better off divorced. "

BTW, on the "she doesn't believe I didn't sleep with the ex" problem. Why should she trust your answer on this? You have already demonstrated your untrustworthiness. Who in their right mind trusts a known liar (you)? You can only say to your wife, "What I did was very wrong, and I am trying to fix myself so that it never happens again. I want you to know that I didn't meet or sleep with this woman, and that I never intended or thought about doing so. I can understand why you don't believe me though given what I did do. I want you to know that I am fully committed to you and to the extent it can allay your fears, you have full access to my phone, texts, emails, whereabouts, etc., forever. "

And, finally, if you really don't understand that what you did was cheating, you need much more time in therapy. What you did was manipulative -- you kept something secret from your wife you knew she wouldn't like in order to avoid her reacting in a way that you wouldn't like. Responsible adults don't behave like that. It's called "intimate betrayal," and it's abusive and can be traumatic, especially when the partner is in a vulnerable, dependent position (like being a new mom where she is dependent on the husband for economic and parenting support). Read up on it.

I can appreciate where this is coming from, but it is an immature and unproductive approach. The reality is that it takes both partners in the marriage in order to fix it. There is no single one thing that OP can do on his own that will magically fix things.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Delete the other woman's info, get rid of the texts, be completely open in terms of letting your wife see your phone, your texts, emails, etc. Don't ever say "I'm going out" but be specific and let her know where you're going.

Basically, be HONEST and TRANSPARENT. Be patient.

All thie ^^^
Making amends after 7 months of texting & flirting with an ex is going to take time. A lot of time. Keep being there for her.

I like that you are going to therapy. That will help.

How about you ask your wife what she wants to see from you?

I already did and she doesn't want to feel like she has to tell me how to make amends. I should already know how and it has to be my own ideas. I am stuck here other than setting up date nights or a weekend trip. I'm not winning any points for the day to day help that makes her life easier.

So she expects you to be a mind reader? That's helpful.

No, she expects OP to put his own energy into figuring out how to make amends. He broke it, he shouldn't make her spend time thinking of ways to fix it. Plus, if he is just doing what she tells him to, it is inauthentic. He is not doing it because HE wants to and HE thinks it would be a good idea, he is doing it because he was told to do it and if he does it he thinks the forgiveness box is checked off.

As previous PPs note, OP seems to view himself as a subordinate in this relationship. He is "helping" with the baby. He is "being supportive". Etc. All this sounds good on the surface -- "I am a good guy, I help." -- but the reality underneath is that OP is not an all in, equal partner.

OP, it sounds like the revelation of the cheating prompted your wife to evaluate the relationship. He is what she saw: "Hmm. I don't have an equal partner in parenting. I don't have a reliable and trustworthy intimate partner. I am a financial equal and can take care of myself and our kid financially. So, why the hell am I married? I should just get out of this crappy relationship where I am putting in more effort and care than my partner. I don't want to live like that for the rest of my life. I don't want to teach my kids to expect so little in life. The kids and I would be better off divorced. "

BTW, on the "she doesn't believe I didn't sleep with the ex" problem. Why should she trust your answer on this? You have already demonstrated your untrustworthiness. Who in their right mind trusts a known liar (you)? You can only say to your wife, "What I did was very wrong, and I am trying to fix myself so that it never happens again. I want you to know that I didn't meet or sleep with this woman, and that I never intended or thought about doing so. I can understand why you don't believe me though given what I did do. I want you to know that I am fully committed to you and to the extent it can allay your fears, you have full access to my phone, texts, emails, whereabouts, etc., forever. "

And, finally, if you really don't understand that what you did was cheating, you need much more time in therapy. What you did was manipulative -- you kept something secret from your wife you knew she wouldn't like in order to avoid her reacting in a way that you wouldn't like. Responsible adults don't behave like that. It's called "intimate betrayal," and it's abusive and can be traumatic, especially when the partner is in a vulnerable, dependent position (like being a new mom where she is dependent on the husband for economic and parenting support). Read up on it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I was in your shoes not too long ago. I essentially did the same thing, even though I love my spouse very much. I had a weakness with this one person from my past who I should never have allowed back into my life, even as a friend. It took a good three months until we weren't talking about it and shedding tears about it every day. My spouse never wanted out of the marriage over it, though, that I know of.

What helped was for me to offer complete transparency, which I continued to do to this day, about 9 months later. I also answered all questions openly, honestly, and without being upset that the questions were asked in the first place. I think it also helped that my spouse saw how upset I was, saw the regret and shame I felt. I also went into counseling, which we are now doing together.

It sounds like the difference for you is that your spouse does not seem to want to work on the marriage. Is that true? Are there other major issues within your marriage that you have not mentioned? For us--and I know some people will call BS on this -- but we were actually pretty happy before this happened. Not perfect, but happy and in a loving marriage. What's your history?

If you're both willing to work on the marriage, to express yourselves openly, and to show vulnerabilities, you can heal from this. Dig deeper in order to get to know each other more. Just a short 9 months later my spouse and I are doing so much better, but we have both worked for it.

OP here. Thanks for sharing. This is exactly what happened with this particular person. She doesn't really want to work on the marriage b/c she doesn't think she did anything wrong. It took several weeks to get her to come to counseling and it went better than I thought this past weekend. But out of the session, she is expecting that I am already planning everything out and jumping through hoops.

We were pretty happy in the marriage before this happened just like you. She will work on it, but only if I am able to demonstrate my love. I just need to know what she considers amends so that I am not grasping at straws.

I am the PP you are responding to. The thing is, she didn't do anything to "deserve" your emotional affair or whatever the two of you have decided to call it. My spouse did nothing to cause me to have an emotional affair, either. My spouse did a lot of self-blaming even though I always take 100% responsibility, offering no excuses. Now, throughout the counseling process we have discovered the weaknesses in our marriage. We haven't focused on finger-pointing, but rather strengthening ourselves as individuals and strengthening our marriage. It has allowed us to focus on each of our needs within the relationship, and what the other can do in order to fulfill them. This was sure a shitty way to go about it, and I wouldn't recommend it, but we are ending up stronger because of my emotional affair and the ensuing work we have put into our marriage.

It sounds like the difference is that your wife wants you to just fix things. This is the thing that sucks about affairs. You are the one who betrayed your spouse, but the betrayed spouse, however innocent, has to do a lot of the work in order to heal things. The affair is your fault, but because it is a marriage, you can't fix it by yourself. You both need to do the work. That was the hardest part of what I did-- knowing that I could not just fix everything I fucked up, but that a huge part of the onus was on my innocent spouse.

Helpful response. You are right. Both parties have to want to work on it even the betrayed spouse.

Anonymous wrote:Give her time.

Once trust is fully eroded between two people, regaining it is a tough call.

Some people can eventually forgive the other person after the other person attempts to rebuild trust.

Others simply cannot overcome the stinging betrayal.

It's a risk that anyone who is untrue takes.

I wouldn't bribe her w/material items & trips.

What she wants from you is intangible.

She wants the full ability to TRUST you again.