Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The left is pissed because there is truth to his statement.

That doesn't even track.

1) There's no truth to the statement at all.
2) Even if there were, why would that anger "the left?"

Absolutely there is truth. He created the vacuum that allowed ISIS to emerge and grow. It was actually predicted that a scenario like this would happen when he pulled all our troops.
And, if you can’t figure out why this would anger the left, you are clueless.

ISIS was founded in 2006, it arose out of an already existing organization that was created after the invasion of Iraq. How you can lay that at the feet of Obama is beyond me, but a ludicrously high percentage of people seem to blame Obama for Katrina so I guess anything is possible.

The US troops in Iraq were replaced by Iraqi troops. When ISIS launched its takeover of western Iraq, there were more Iraqi troops in the area then there were ISIS fighters. The Iraqi troops were also better equipped. However, those troops simply fled. This was not a power vacuum, but a legitimacy vacuum. The Iraqi government had failed to achieve legitimacy in the eyes of the Sunni population and the troops were not prepared to fight on behalf of a government in which they didn't believe.

The ISIS takeover of western Iraq could not have happened were it not for the instability in Syria which allowed ISIS to establish a base in that country. If George Bush's invasion was responsible for ISIS's birth and infancy, the West's destabilization of Syria nurtured the organization through adolescence. Certainly Obama shares some responsibility for this, but for the most part he has been perhaps the single restraint on our involvement there.

Direct quote from this article:

The group that would become ISIS was founded in Jordan in 1999, and became devoted to holding territory in Iraq after the US invasion in 2003. You can debate which of these constitutes ISIS’s "founding" in some metaphysical sense. But by any definition, the group was founded well before President Obama came into office. Trump is just flatly wrong on this

Link to article. Great reading:

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/11/12438744/obama-founded-isis-trump

From Vox. No bias there

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was for it before he was against it.

Like Hillary was against gay marriage before she was for it (like Obama).

Intelligent adults evolve in their thinking and beliefs. I was once against gay marriage but now, 10 years later, I believe thats have just as much a right to be married as straights. We want our elected officials to be able to evolve in their beliefs.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The left is pissed because there is truth to his statement.

That doesn't even track.

1) There's no truth to the statement at all.
2) Even if there were, why would that anger "the left?"

Absolutely there is truth. He created the vacuum that allowed ISIS to emerge and grow. It was actually predicted that a scenario like this would happen when he pulled all our troops.
And, if you can’t figure out why this would anger the left, you are clueless.

ISIS was founded in 2006, it arose out of an already existing organization that was created after the invasion of Iraq. How you can lay that at the feet of Obama is beyond me, but a ludicrously high percentage of people seem to blame Obama for Katrina so I guess anything is possible.

The US troops in Iraq were replaced by Iraqi troops. When ISIS launched its takeover of western Iraq, there were more Iraqi troops in the area then there were ISIS fighters. The Iraqi troops were also better equipped. However, those troops simply fled. This was not a power vacuum, but a legitimacy vacuum. The Iraqi government had failed to achieve legitimacy in the eyes of the Sunni population and the troops were not prepared to fight on behalf of a government in which they didn't believe.

The ISIS takeover of western Iraq could not have happened were it not for the instability in Syria which allowed ISIS to establish a base in that country. If George Bush's invasion was responsible for ISIS's birth and infancy, the West's destabilization of Syria nurtured the organization through adolescence. Certainly Obama shares some responsibility for this, but for the most part he has been perhaps the single restraint on our involvement there.

Direct quote from this article:

The group that would become ISIS was founded in Jordan in 1999, and became devoted to holding territory in Iraq after the US invasion in 2003. You can debate which of these constitutes ISIS’s "founding" in some metaphysical sense. But by any definition, the group was founded well before President Obama came into office. Trump is just flatly wrong on this

Link to article. Great reading:

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/11/12438744/obama-founded-isis-trump

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The left is pissed because there is truth to his statement.

That doesn't even track.

1) There's no truth to the statement at all.
2) Even if there were, why would that anger "the left?"

Absolutely there is truth. He created the vacuum that allowed ISIS to emerge and grow. It was actually predicted that a scenario like this would happen when he pulled all our troops.
And, if you can’t figure out why this would anger the left, you are clueless.

How did pulling troops from Iraq create a vacuum in Syria?

Besides, before you start prattling on about vacuums and pulling troops, I think you need to look back a few years earlier and examine the policies of a different administration that for the first time in our country's history acted as the aggressor by starting a war under false pretenses. THAT was the destabilizing act. If you're going to lay ISIS at the feet of a president, it's Bush's fault.

We ran guns to Syrian rebels, who were, in fact, ISIS. Remember Benghazi?

The Syria rebels that we support are not ISIS. Some of the rebels are al-Qaida and we are in fact supporting those rebels today. ISIS was able to obtain weapons we supplied to other groups via various means (capturing, buying, etc.), but we didn't intentionally supply weapons to ISIS.

OK then

And there were no sexual assaults in Idaho.

I already know the lengths you go to, the names you call, and the way you twist and turn things to suit your views. I know any time you respond to someone's thread, it's because you know it's the truth and you need to quickly bury it.

Actually, I am not trying to bury the truth, but make sure that people are aware of it. Is there any reason why you are reacting in such a manner to having facts stated correctly? That seems sort of extreme.

Through your judicious use of the delete key and your glib use of insults, you've already tipped your hat.

Your post misstating facts is still here, as is my reply correcting the facts and your reply criticizing me for stating facts. Can you please explain your very hostile reaction to a simple correction of facts? Is there a reason that you prefer information that is factually incorrect and insult those who correct it?

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The left is pissed because there is truth to his statement.

That doesn't even track.

1) There's no truth to the statement at all.
2) Even if there were, why would that anger "the left?"

Absolutely there is truth. He created the vacuum that allowed ISIS to emerge and grow. It was actually predicted that a scenario like this would happen when he pulled all our troops.
And, if you can’t figure out why this would anger the left, you are clueless.

ISIS was founded in 2006, it arose out of an already existing organization that was created after the invasion of Iraq. How you can lay that at the feet of Obama is beyond me, but a ludicrously high percentage of people seem to blame Obama for Katrina so I guess anything is possible.

The US troops in Iraq were replaced by Iraqi troops. When ISIS launched its takeover of western Iraq, there were more Iraqi troops in the area then there were ISIS fighters. The Iraqi troops were also better equipped. However, those troops simply fled. This was not a power vacuum, but a legitimacy vacuum. The Iraqi government had failed to achieve legitimacy in the eyes of the Sunni population and the troops were not prepared to fight on behalf of a government in which they didn't believe.

The ISIS takeover of western Iraq could not have happened were it not for the instability in Syria which allowed ISIS to establish a base in that country. If George Bush's invasion was responsible for ISIS's birth and infancy, the West's destabilization of Syria nurtured the organization through adolescence. Certainly Obama shares some responsibility for this, but for the most part he has been perhaps the single restraint on our involvement there.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is now tweeting he was being sarcastic about Obama founding Isis.

What next?

Wait a second. Some people seriously thought Obama found IS? You people need more help than I thought. And I am very pessimistic about Americans' intellectual prowess in general

Some people = Trump and his poorly-educated followers and apologists. Oh, and Russian disinformation operants.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is now tweeting he was being sarcastic about Obama founding Isis.

What next?

Wait a second. Some people seriously thought Obama found IS? You people need more help than I thought. And I am very pessimistic about Americans' intellectual prowess in general

lol.. yea, right. You probably were right there with him. You and he are just backtracking because now you sound like fools after he's been dinged for it, yet again.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, this reminds me so much of the jerks in high school who said mean, wrong things about other people, to turn the rest of the class against them, and then when caught blamed it on the bullied person for not having a sense of humor. "I was just making a joke, sheesh!"

I don't really even care if he was joking or not. I don't want our national conversation to sink to this level for the next four years. Why would anyone want that? The shitshow wouldn't stop magically once he got elected! It would just be the beginning!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was for it before he was against it.

Like Hillary was against gay marriage before she was for it (like Obama).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is now tweeting he was being sarcastic about Obama founding Isis.

What next?

Wait a second. Some people seriously thought Obama found IS? You people need more help than I thought. And I am very pessimistic about Americans' intellectual prowess in general

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is now tweeting he was being sarcastic about Obama founding Isis.

What next?

Wait a second. Some people seriously thought Obama found IS? You people need more help than I thought. And I am very pessimistic about Americans' intellectual prowess in general

Anonymous wrote:Trump is now tweeting he was being sarcastic about Obama founding Isis.

What next?

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The left is pissed because there is truth to his statement.

That doesn't even track.

1) There's no truth to the statement at all.
2) Even if there were, why would that anger "the left?"

Absolutely there is truth. He created the vacuum that allowed ISIS to emerge and grow. It was actually predicted that a scenario like this would happen when he pulled all our troops.
And, if you can’t figure out why this would anger the left, you are clueless.

How did pulling troops from Iraq create a vacuum in Syria?

Besides, before you start prattling on about vacuums and pulling troops, I think you need to look back a few years earlier and examine the policies of a different administration that for the first time in our country's history acted as the aggressor by starting a war under false pretenses. THAT was the destabilizing act. If you're going to lay ISIS at the feet of a president, it's Bush's fault.

We ran guns to Syrian rebels, who were, in fact, ISIS. Remember Benghazi?

The Syria rebels that we support are not ISIS. Some of the rebels are al-Qaida and we are in fact supporting those rebels today. ISIS was able to obtain weapons we supplied to other groups via various means (capturing, buying, etc.), but we didn't intentionally supply weapons to ISIS.

OK then

And there were no sexual assaults in Idaho.

I already know the lengths you go to, the names you call, and the way you twist and turn things to suit your views. I know any time you respond to someone's thread, it's because you know it's the truth and you need to quickly bury it.

Actually, I am not trying to bury the truth, but make sure that people are aware of it. Is there any reason why you are reacting in such a manner to having facts stated correctly? That seems sort of extreme.

Through your judicious use of the delete key and your glib use of insults, you've already tipped your hat.