jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coups don't usually take this long, do they? I don't think this is looking like a successful one.

Successful coups are normally over by the time you hear about them. This coup will either fail or turn into a civil war.

THIS is your democracy? Everything you like about Turkey was created by Ataturk, and systematically dismantled by Erdogan.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d2c_1467992583



Half Of Turkey’s Imprisoned Journalists Arrested In 2016, Says Journalists Union Of Turkey



The number of journalists jailed in Turkey has dramatically risen in 2016, according to a special report by the Ankara-based Journalists Union of Turkey (TGS). Turkey has been one of the worst globally for imprisoning journalists in 2016, with 37 journalists currently behind bars in the country.

TGS reported that almost half of the journalists who are jailed were arrested in 2016.

U?ur Güç, President of the TGS, said, “37 journalists are in prisons just for journalism”.

Melis Alphan, columnist for the Hurriyet, argued the public is only partially aware of the journalists’ problems – there are hundreds more journalists the public does not know of whose rights have also been violated.

He said: “Journalists are arrested every day, detained, attacked and threatened. They are taken to court on accusations such as ‘attempting a coup, spying, assisting terror organizations, sedition, threats to the security of the state and the incitement of anger and hate.’ Collectively they are facing 2,229 years and six months in prison. They are being smothered with investigations and court cases and are sentenced to pay fines”.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d2c_1467992583#lZk1EywB3Wmo7Vzj.99

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turkey has a long proud history as a secular republic. Was Ataturk heavy handed to achieve this? Yes Did it benefit Turkey? Oh yes.
Erdogan is an Islamic quasi dictator. So sad if he prevails.
So sad.

Once again we see the commitment of Americans to democracy. Turn on your TV and see what the people of Turkey think about the coup.

A FAKE democracy. LIKE Venezuela. Totally manipulated by Erdogan, over a decade in power. MORE JOURNALISTS IMPRISONED THERE THAN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. You sir are an idiot.

The military is currently taking CNN Turk. It's not over.

What the what!

https://twitter.com/agirecudi/status/754109163417001984

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coups don't usually take this long, do they? I don't think this is looking like a successful one.

Successful coups are normally over by the time you hear about them. This coup will either fail or turn into a civil war.

He staged this?

“Despite the things that happened, it is most likely a political theatre orchastrated by erdogan himself. He just walked on to tv, and made a speech, just after all of his cabinet members made their speeches. For those who dont know how these things work out, I can only say that this is just stupid. So far turkey had many coups and all of them made sure that the intervention was simultaneous and all of the political figures are arrested, all Tv is under control and there is a tank in every major road, and undebatable policy of shooting anyone who is not at home.”

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coups don't usually take this long, do they? I don't think this is looking like a successful one.

Successful coups are normally over by the time you hear about them. This coup will either fail or turn into a civil war.

Then let's hope it fails!

Anonymous wrote:Coups don't usually take this long, do they? I don't think this is looking like a successful one.

Successful coups are normally over by the time you hear about them. This coup will either fail or turn into a civil war.

Coups don't usually take this long, do they? I don't think this is looking like a successful one.

Did Ergodan land in Istanbul? Tanks at the airport? Are they on his side or the coup?

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turkey has a long proud history as a secular republic. Was Ataturk heavy handed to achieve this? Yes Did it benefit Turkey? Oh yes.
Erdogan is an Islamic quasi dictator. So sad if he prevails.
So sad.

Once again we see the commitment of Americans to democracy. Turn on your TV and see what the people of Turkey think about the coup.

Please do tell how we are seeing the commitment of the US to democracy. We have sat by and watched while the Turkish government has waged war against the Kurds to promote BO's failed policy in Syria. We turned a blind eye to the Kurds.

You are describing the foreign policy of a democratically-elected government. You may not like the policy -- I, for one, don't -- but that does not change the fact that the government is democratically-elected. Even the HDP (pro-Kurdish party) opposes the coup. What makes you think the military would be more favorable to the Kurds? I think there is a better than even chance the military would be even worse.

Why this coup is different:

http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-military-coups-in-turkey-2016-7

Even though Turkey has seen a few military coups in recent decades, there are some notable differences between the ones in the past and the current one.

Business Insider reached out to Tol, director of the Middle East Institute's Center for Turkish Studies, who explained some of the differences:

"[T]he situation is still very fluid but this is a very atypical coup. In the past, the military acted on calls from the people and staged a coup against an unpopular government. That is not [the] case today. The AKP and Erdogan might be very polarizing and might have alienated an important segment of society, but they still have the backing of almost 50% of the population. And we also have not seen large-scale calls for a military intervention, security collapse, chaos, the factors that played an important role in past coups. Also missing in this coup is the chain of command. In the past, the top brass went on TV right after the coups and explained [to] the public the reasons for the intervention. That has not happened yet. So this coup might not have the backing of the top brass."

As an endnote, Tol added that "if Erdogan survives this, his hand will be even more strengthened and he will be able to convinced people more easily that a presidential system is necessary."

I wouldn't' say regularly. 1980.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turkey has a long proud history as a secular republic. Was Ataturk heavy handed to achieve this? Yes Did it benefit Turkey? Oh yes.
Erdogan is an Islamic quasi dictator. So sad if he prevails.
So sad.

Once again we see the commitment of Americans to democracy. Turn on your TV and see what the people of Turkey think about the coup.

Please do tell how we are seeing the commitment of the US to democracy. We have sat by and watched while the Turkish government has waged war against the Kurds to promote BO's failed policy in Syria. We turned a blind eye to the Kurds.

Anonymous wrote:Turkey has a long proud history as a secular republic. Was Ataturk heavy handed to achieve this? Yes Did it benefit Turkey? Oh yes.
Erdogan is an Islamic quasi dictator. So sad if he prevails.
So sad.

Once again we see the commitment of Americans to democracy. Turn on your TV and see what the people of Turkey think about the coup.

Turkey has a long proud history as a secular republic. Was Ataturk heavy handed to achieve this? Yes Did it benefit Turkey? Oh yes.
Erdogan is an Islamic quasi dictator. So sad if he prevails.
So sad.