Anonymous
06/15/2016 00:05
Subject: Banning All Muslims to Immigrate to USA
Anonymous wrote:It would be unconstitutional. In spirit if not in law but I think both. Our country's premise of freedom of religion is a cornerstone of our culture.
I am not in favor of banning Muslims, but how would it be unconstitutional? Constitutional protections only apply to US citizens, not every person on earth who thinks of coming to the US. Do people really not understand this?
Anonymous
06/14/2016 23:44
Subject: Banning All Muslims to Immigrate to USA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would be unconstitutional. In spirit if not in law but I think both. Our country's premise of freedom of religion is a cornerstone of our culture.
Sort of, certain religon value systems are in direct violation of the constitution and freedom.
That is not how the first amendment works.
It's perfectly legal to hate democracy and live here. It's perfectly legal to talk about it. It's not legal to kill people for it.
The first amendment doesn't discriminate against ideologies.
Well-said. Exactly correct.
It's not legal for a radical mosque to threaten violence against the US. And yes, they can be raided and dismantled for it.
Threats are not legal you are correct although that's kind of fuzzy ground. You can't go to prison for it because you haven't actually done anything. But a judge might give you a restraining order
Anonymous
06/14/2016 19:01
Subject: Re:Banning All Muslims to Immigrate to USA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Religion is not the problem, Hate is. Hate has no religion except may be Evil. No one is being apologetic. Trump and his supporters are blowing this incident disproportionately calling it Islamic Terrorism, to divert the attention from the real issue - semi automatic weapon in the hand of hateful angry person!
This is exactly it. But Trump's supporters include many haters. They, like he, find it easier to blame others -- immigrants, Muslims, Mexicans -- for their economic and other woes than to address these complex problems realistically. Trump is wooing his people using simple, hate-based arguments and the haters are lapping it up, many of them waving their guns.
I was beyond apalled at Trump's response to the Orlando shootings. The shooter was an American-born maniac filled with hatred, but he was not a member of a terrorist group. How would Trump's proposal to ban Muslims protect Americans from other Americans? If the killer had not had access to semi-automatic guns, he could not have killed so many so quickly. Hatred is the root, but guns are the weapon of choice of hate-filled maniacs because they are so easy to obtain thanks to the NRA and its supporters.
Here's my suggestion: Why don't we deport all NRA members and then ban them and their families from entering this country? That, plus a ban on semi-automatic weapons, and our country will be a much safer place.
And Rest In Hell: the gun industry.
Mateen wasn't a maniac. He was following his chosen religion of Islam which states that being gay is punishable by death and he martyred himself for the Koran.
"But but but that's not the REAL Islam." LOL. Yeah it is the real Islam. All over the world. I have never met or even heard of any Muslim and certainly no Muslim leader who doesn't basically come across as an apologist for these kinds of attacks. Every single Muslim is well aware that the Koran not only permits but actually encourages this kind of violence. Among themselves, they are fine with it, because they know someone like Omar Mateen is just a true believer in their shared religion and willing to die for it. So they actually admire him. Of course when among non-Muslims they do their best to mask their true feelings.
I do not know why Mateen did it. There is anger and Hate for sure. Maybe he was also instigated by ISIS ideology. But this is no different than the hate, anger of white supremacist ideology. I am only changing only few words of your paragraph below and see how what you said sounds same for white supremacist ideology. So now what do you think?
Dylan Roof wasn't a maniac. He was following his chosen religion of White Supremacy which states that being non-white is punishable by death and he martyred himself(death penalty is waiting) for the white supremacist ideology.
"But but but that's not the REAL white supremacy(whites only want to mix with other whites) ." LOL. Yeah it is the real white supremacy. All over the white world. I have never met or even heard of any white supremacist and certainly no white supremacist leader who doesn't basically come across as an apologist for these kinds of attacks. Every single racist is well aware that the supremacist ideology not only permits but actually encourages this kind of violence. Among themselves, they are fine with it, because they know someone like Dylan Roof is just a true believer in their shared ideology and willing to die for it. So they actually admire him. Of course when among non-whites they do their best to mask their true feelings.
The Feds are now investigating his wife
What?????
Anonymous
06/14/2016 19:00
Subject: Re:Banning All Muslims to Immigrate to USA
"But but but that's not the REAL Islam." LOL. Yeah it is the real Islam. All over the world. I have never met or even heard of any Muslim and certainly no Muslim leader who doesn't basically come across as an apologist for these kinds of attacks. Every single Muslim is well aware that the Koran not only permits but actually encourages this kind of violence. Among themselves, they are fine with it, because they know someone like Omar Mateen is just a true believer in their shared religion and willing to die for it. So they actually admire him. Of course when among non-Muslims they do their best to mask their true feelings.
where are you getting this from? in the Koran it says that if you find people being openly gay, you should separate them and the if they persist, shun them. Wahhabism is not the true Islam anymore than being Amish is the true Christianity. Christian countries like Uganda with their Episcopalian bishops advocate jail time and execution for gays as well- are they symbolic of all Christians? The problem with people like you is that you think Islam is a minority, monolithic faith when it is smaller only than Christianity in its scope and has just as much variation. Its on its 14th century- go back and read how awful Christendom was in it's 14th century and this was without the horror of colonization and white supremacy which made life miserable in most of Africa, Asia, North & South America and Australia for people of non european descent. They are all angry but Muslims have historically always fought Europeans and So forces like ISIS are casting this as a Crusades type battle and you are buying it.
Most Muslims internally say stuff like- " I don't understand what Allah's problem is with gay people" not "yay lets go shoot them" and I am an actual Muslim so I think I'd know. Your grandparents probably believed in the chronicles of the elders of zion so your generation can believe that billions of people who fluidly leave and enter a faith are involved in a conspiracy theory and successfully hiding it from the world.
Anonymous
06/14/2016 18:58
Subject: Banning All Muslims to Immigrate to USA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would be unconstitutional. In spirit if not in law but I think both. Our country's premise of freedom of religion is a cornerstone of our culture.
Sort of, certain religon value systems are in direct violation of the constitution and freedom.
That is not how the first amendment works.
It's perfectly legal to hate democracy and live here. It's perfectly legal to talk about it. It's not legal to kill people for it.
The first amendment doesn't discriminate against ideologies.
Well-said. Exactly correct.
It's not legal for a radical mosque to threaten violence against the US. And yes, they can be raided and dismantled for it.
Anonymous
06/14/2016 18:53
Subject: Re:Banning All Muslims to Immigrate to USA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Religion is not the problem, Hate is. Hate has no religion except may be Evil. No one is being apologetic. Trump and his supporters are blowing this incident disproportionately calling it Islamic Terrorism, to divert the attention from the real issue - semi automatic weapon in the hand of hateful angry person!
This is exactly it. But Trump's supporters include many haters. They, like he, find it easier to blame others -- immigrants, Muslims, Mexicans -- for their economic and other woes than to address these complex problems realistically. Trump is wooing his people using simple, hate-based arguments and the haters are lapping it up, many of them waving their guns.
I was beyond apalled at Trump's response to the Orlando shootings. The shooter was an American-born maniac filled with hatred, but he was not a member of a terrorist group. How would Trump's proposal to ban Muslims protect Americans from other Americans? If the killer had not had access to semi-automatic guns, he could not have killed so many so quickly. Hatred is the root, but guns are the weapon of choice of hate-filled maniacs because they are so easy to obtain thanks to the NRA and its supporters.
Here's my suggestion: Why don't we deport all NRA members and then ban them and their families from entering this country? That, plus a ban on semi-automatic weapons, and our country will be a much safer place.
And Rest In Hell: the gun industry.
Mateen wasn't a maniac. He was following his chosen religion of Islam which states that being gay is punishable by death and he martyred himself for the Koran.
"But but but that's not the REAL Islam." LOL. Yeah it is the real Islam. All over the world. I have never met or even heard of any Muslim and certainly no Muslim leader who doesn't basically come across as an apologist for these kinds of attacks. Every single Muslim is well aware that the Koran not only permits but actually encourages this kind of violence. Among themselves, they are fine with it, because they know someone like Omar Mateen is just a true believer in their shared religion and willing to die for it. So they actually admire him. Of course when among non-Muslims they do their best to mask their true feelings.
I do not know why Mateen did it. There is anger and Hate for sure. Maybe he was also instigated by ISIS ideology. But this is no different than the hate, anger of white supremacist ideology. I am only changing only few words of your paragraph below and see how what you said sounds same for white supremacist ideology. So now what do you think?
Dylan Roof wasn't a maniac. He was following his chosen religion of White Supremacy which states that being non-white is punishable by death and he martyred himself(death penalty is waiting) for the white supremacist ideology.
"But but but that's not the REAL white supremacy(whites only want to mix with other whites) ." LOL. Yeah it is the real white supremacy. All over the white world. I have never met or even heard of any white supremacist and certainly no white supremacist leader who doesn't basically come across as an apologist for these kinds of attacks. Every single racist is well aware that the supremacist ideology not only permits but actually encourages this kind of violence. Among themselves, they are fine with it, because they know someone like Dylan Roof is just a true believer in their shared ideology and willing to die for it. So they actually admire him. Of course when among non-whites they do their best to mask their true feelings.
The Feds are now investigating his wife