Muslima wrote:Islam has no monopoly on homophobia.There are tons of Christian communities that are virulently anti-gay. A lot of people murder, rape and terrorize other people and are passed off as mentally ill if they have the right skin color. Most of the homophobia in this country is derived/justified using Christianity. Is it possible ISIS inspired Omar Mateen's actions? It's possible, but pretty damn unlikely. His only connections to ISIS are probably him shouting something about ISIS right before dying to cause exactly the type of rhetoric that is happening right now. For years, he's been talking like he's got connections to whatever was "popular" at the time. After the Boston bombings , he claimed to know the Tsarneavs, which the FBI looked into and found without merit, he also claimed to be a member of Hezbollah, said he had family members in Al-Qaeda, ect.. There are reports now that he also was a regular at Pulse and has been going there for the past 3 years, accounts of him drunk at Pulse, getting into fights, and had an account on a gay dating site. Not what i would call a devout muslim, dying for the cause. Not sure, how true these reports are, but I wouldn't be surprised. He could've just been a closeted, self-hating bigot who couldn't come to terms with who he was.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest you look at what FBI profilers say about organized crime vs. disorganized crime, planning vs. no planning, and what constitutes true mental illness.

Islamic extremism is not mental illness. It's a way of life.

There is no evidence that the shooter followed a way of life that was even close to being Islamic, let alone extremist Islamic. As you noted yourself, he frequented the club and got drunk frequently.

So did the 9/11 hijackers. And yet....

Yes, it's important to realize that terrorists' professions of Islam -- or any religion -- should not be taken at face value. Crashing planes full of people into buildings is not an Islamic act. You hardly need to point to drinking to suggest those guys were not good Muslims.

They are all just mentally ill. Every extremist is mentally ill. Their hate is all mental illness. None of it has anything to do with Islam at all. Am I reading your right? Please go on record.

Muslima wrote:Islam has no monopoly on homophobia.There are tons of Christian communities that are virulently anti-gay. A lot of people murder, rape and terrorize other people and are passed off as mentally ill if they have the right skin color. Most of the homophobia in this country is derived/justified using Christianity. Is it possible ISIS inspired Omar Mateen's actions? It's possible, but pretty damn unlikely. His only connections to ISIS are probably him shouting something about ISIS right before dying to cause exactly the type of rhetoric that is happening right now. For years, he's been talking like he's got connections to whatever was "popular" at the time. After the Boston bombings , he claimed to know the Tsarneavs, which the FBI looked into and found without merit, he also claimed to be a member of Hezbollah, said he had family members in Al-Qaeda, ect.. There are reports now that he also was a regular at Pulse and has been going there for the past 3 years, accounts of him drunk at Pulse, getting into fights, and had an account on a gay dating site. Not what i would call a devout muslim, dying for the cause. Not sure, how true these reports are, but I wouldn't be surprised. He could've just been a closeted, self-hating bigot who couldn't come to terms with who he was.

Muslima wrote:Islam has no monopoly on homophobia.There are tons of Christian communities that are virulently anti-gay. A lot of people murder, rape and terrorize other people and are passed off as mentally ill if they have the right skin color. Most of the homophobia in this country is derived/justified using Christianity. Is it possible ISIS inspired Omar Mateen's actions? It's possible, but pretty damn unlikely. His only connections to ISIS are probably him shouting something about ISIS right before dying to cause exactly the type of rhetoric that is happening right now. For years, he's been talking like he's got connections to whatever was "popular" at the time. After the Boston bombings , he claimed to know the Tsarneavs, which the FBI looked into and found without merit, he also claimed to be a member of Hezbollah, said he had family members in Al-Qaeda, ect.. There are reports now that he also was a regular at Pulse and has been going there for the past 3 years, accounts of him drunk at Pulse, getting into fights, and had an account on a gay dating site. Not what i would call a devout muslim, dying for the cause. Not sure, how true these reports are, but I wouldn't be surprised. He could've just been a closeted, self-hating bigot who couldn't come to terms with who he was.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

There are even more Muslims then there are mentally ill wife beaters. Why are you ruling out mental illness and blaming religion? It would seem reasonable to consider both possibilities.

I can point to documented information from law enforcement re: his extremist views and actions. Can you point to documented medical reports of his that indicate he was mentally ill?

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest you look at what FBI profilers say about organized crime vs. disorganized crime, planning vs. no planning, and what constitutes true mental illness.

Islamic extremism is not mental illness. It's a way of life.

There is no evidence that the shooter followed a way of life that was even close to being Islamic, let alone extremist Islamic. As you noted yourself, he frequented the club and got drunk frequently.

So did the 9/11 hijackers. And yet....

Yes, it's important to realize that terrorists' professions of Islam -- or any religion -- should not be taken at face value. Crashing planes full of people into buildings is not an Islamic act. You hardly need to point to drinking to suggest those guys were not good Muslims.

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Anonymous wrote:There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

Fully agree. The apologists are out in force. And Islam laughs. Imam said "you are doing gays a favor by murdering them". On video. Liberals think it's some kind of fluke.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

There are even more Muslims then there are mentally ill wife beaters. Why are you ruling out mental illness and blaming religion? It would seem reasonable to consider both possibilities.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest you look at what FBI profilers say about organized crime vs. disorganized crime, planning vs. no planning, and what constitutes true mental illness.

Islamic extremism is not mental illness. It's a way of life.

There is no evidence that the shooter followed a way of life that was even close to being Islamic, let alone extremist Islamic. As you noted yourself, he frequented the club and got drunk frequently.

So did the 9/11 hijackers. And yet....

Anonymous wrote:There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest you look at what FBI profilers say about organized crime vs. disorganized crime, planning vs. no planning, and what constitutes true mental illness.

Islamic extremism is not mental illness. It's a way of life.

There is no evidence that the shooter followed a way of life that was even close to being Islamic, let alone extremist Islamic. As you noted yourself, he frequented the club and got drunk frequently.

Anonymous wrote:There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest you look at what FBI profilers say about organized crime vs. disorganized crime, planning vs. no planning, and what constitutes true mental illness.

Islamic extremism is not mental illness. It's a way of life.

There is no evidence that the shooter followed a way of life that was even close to being Islamic, let alone extremist Islamic. As you noted yourself, he frequented the club and got drunk frequently.

He did this in the name of ISIS. Never mind, you know better than him. Just ignore that he called 911 to pledge allegiance to ISIS.