Anonymous
Post 07/10/2018 16:22     Subject: Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Laura Bush killed someone when she ran a stop sign. No, she wasn't drinking. No, she wasn't paying attention, either.

I just point this out because of the importance of having compassion for people who make mistakes.

Driving drunk is a terrible thing to do. Getting into a car with a drunk driver also terrible. It was a tragedy what happened to these families. But, driving drunk is not the most evil thing a person can do.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2018 15:50     Subject: Re:Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Guess who is free now after just 2 years. So sad.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 12:25     Subject: Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I will be curious to see whether the drunk driver that killed Officer Noah will get more jail time or less jail time than Sam Ellis. Will the death of one police officer result in more jail time than the death of two youths? Should it?


Sorry, but despite how much we should appreciate our police for doing a thankless job that we truly need, a life is a life. Two lives killed should mandate more of a sentence than one life killed. That said, the penalty for two lives killed should be more than 4 years. The judge buys directly into white privilege by saying that wealthy young criminals who have potential should be given less penalty than others.

White privilege, my ass. Must we go down the list of black privilege? It's about how much money you come from, more than your skin tone.

Recall the black man of elite financial means who drugged up and killed the McLean High School student, and left her dead in the bushes next to his Vienna house? I think they eventually charged him with something, but did he ever even go to jail? Just another rich kid who had everything he wanted on a silver platter. Absentee parents who catered to his every whim that their money could buy.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 11:49     Subject: Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:I will be curious to see whether the drunk driver that killed Officer Noah will get more jail time or less jail time than Sam Ellis. Will the death of one police officer result in more jail time than the death of two youths? Should it?


Sorry, but despite how much we should appreciate our police for doing a thankless job that we truly need, a life is a life. Two lives killed should mandate more of a sentence than one life killed. That said, the penalty for two lives killed should be more than 4 years. The judge buys directly into white privilege by saying that wealthy young criminals who have potential should be given less penalty than others.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 11:06     Subject: Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
I will be curious to see whether the drunk driver that killed Officer Noah will get more jail time or less jail time than Sam Ellis. Will the death of one police officer result in more jail time than the death of two youths? Should it?
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 10:51     Subject: Re:Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have mixed feelings about the sentence. His lawyer wanted 18 months and that would have kept him in the Montgomery County Detention Center, where there are much better services than in the State prisons. And since he will eventually return to our community, services would be beneficial. He's obviously got some sort of addiction problem. Probably psychological issues as well. He may come out worse than when he went in. And that doesn't benefit anyone.


I am so tired of this argument. You sound like the judge in the Brock Turner case.

So what? Only people with no futures should be jailed, but anyone showing any sort of "promise" shouldn't be because they may be worse after they get out?

I agree that our prison system is terrible and we should offer more training and preparation for when prisoners are released, but we don't stop sentencing people because we are scared of who they "may" become after!

He killed two people. He knew she shouldn't have been driving. He knew he shouldn't have been speeding. He knew he shouldn't have been driving on the other side of the road. He has a disturbing past (as a teen) and a string of poor decisions. He shows NO REMORSE for what he has done. If the pentaly of vehicular manslaughter is 20 years, he should get 20 years.


You missed the entire point, but name call anyway. I work in the jail system. The state system is shit. The county is much better. There should be better services inside at the state level because 99% of inmates eventually come out and live next door to you. We should be making them better people while we've got them.


What point was missed?

You want a lighter sentence in a better prison so that he isn't "effected" by the bad people in the bad prison and lack of services. Correct?

Why on earth should anyone care about this piece of shit Ellis? He should have gotten the maximum sentence. He has zero remorse for killing two friends. You think prison services in a county jail vs. a state facility are going to make a difference in this kids selfish life?

Put him in jail for as long as possible to keep him off the streets. He is a danger to the public.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 07:15     Subject: Re:Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have mixed feelings about the sentence. His lawyer wanted 18 months and that would have kept him in the Montgomery County Detention Center, where there are much better services than in the State prisons. And since he will eventually return to our community, services would be beneficial. He's obviously got some sort of addiction problem. Probably psychological issues as well. He may come out worse than when he went in. And that doesn't benefit anyone.


I am so tired of this argument. You sound like the judge in the Brock Turner case.

So what? Only people with no futures should be jailed, but anyone showing any sort of "promise" shouldn't be because they may be worse after they get out?

I agree that our prison system is terrible and we should offer more training and preparation for when prisoners are released, but we don't stop sentencing people because we are scared of who they "may" become after!

He killed two people. He knew she shouldn't have been driving. He knew he shouldn't have been speeding. He knew he shouldn't have been driving on the other side of the road. He has a disturbing past (as a teen) and a string of poor decisions. He shows NO REMORSE for what he has done. If the pentaly of vehicular manslaughter is 20 years, he should get 20 years.


You missed the entire point, but name call anyway. I work in the jail system. The state system is shit. The county is much better. There should be better services inside at the state level because 99% of inmates eventually come out and live next door to you. We should be making them better people while we've got them.

Doesn't Ellis have a well-to-do family who funded his joy rides to beach parties? Apparently the resources money could buy only contributed to the bad boy's delinquency. Sammy squandered what he had on a silver platter.

You can't force anyone to be better if they don't want to be better. This kid was spoiled rotten by giving everything he wanted, while holding back on nothing. Kids must earn the privileges they want, or you risk making an entitled criminal. "I want what I want, when I want it." Similar mentality to 'thugs in the hood' who also want what they want, when they want it.

Again, kids must be allowed to earn for themselves the privileges they want. Why deprive your child of this essential concept??
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2016 05:56     Subject: Re:Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have mixed feelings about the sentence. His lawyer wanted 18 months and that would have kept him in the Montgomery County Detention Center, where there are much better services than in the State prisons. And since he will eventually return to our community, services would be beneficial. He's obviously got some sort of addiction problem. Probably psychological issues as well. He may come out worse than when he went in. And that doesn't benefit anyone.


I am so tired of this argument. You sound like the judge in the Brock Turner case.

So what? Only people with no futures should be jailed, but anyone showing any sort of "promise" shouldn't be because they may be worse after they get out?

I agree that our prison system is terrible and we should offer more training and preparation for when prisoners are released, but we don't stop sentencing people because we are scared of who they "may" become after!

He killed two people. He knew she shouldn't have been driving. He knew he shouldn't have been speeding. He knew he shouldn't have been driving on the other side of the road. He has a disturbing past (as a teen) and a string of poor decisions. He shows NO REMORSE for what he has done. If the pentaly of vehicular manslaughter is 20 years, he should get 20 years.


You missed the entire point, but name call anyway. I work in the jail system. The state system is shit. The county is much better. There should be better services inside at the state level because 99% of inmates eventually come out and live next door to you. We should be making them better people while we've got them.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2016 23:07     Subject: Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow this article mentions an arrest that I don't recall seeing reported before.

http://wjla.com/news/local/judge-seals-records-in-deadly-crash-case-of-sam-ellis-teen-who-killed-2-wootton-students

Do they have AA or NA in prison?


Wow.
Greenberg sounds like a winner of a judge. Wonder if he has ties to Ellis' family somehow? I mean, after what the article states about his priors and his phone calls ("list ass time", "concoct a sob story") I am shocked he got four years.

Lawyers and judges chat behind closed doors.

Perhaps one should ask about the relationship Greenberg and Ken Saltzman.



Bob Greenberg was one of the most agressive and skilled prosecutors in the States Attorney's Office. Don't be suggesting that he and Saltzman have some kind of special relationship. Greenburg would have disqualified himself a long time ago.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2016 18:53     Subject: Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow this article mentions an arrest that I don't recall seeing reported before.

http://wjla.com/news/local/judge-seals-records-in-deadly-crash-case-of-sam-ellis-teen-who-killed-2-wootton-students

Do they have AA or NA in prison?


Wow.
Greenberg sounds like a winner of a judge. Wonder if he has ties to Ellis' family somehow? I mean, after what the article states about his priors and his phone calls ("list ass time", "concoct a sob story") I am shocked he got four years.

Lawyers and judges chat behind closed doors.

Perhaps one should ask about the relationship Greenberg and Ken Saltzman.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2016 12:48     Subject: Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Wow this article mentions an arrest that I don't recall seeing reported before.

http://wjla.com/news/local/judge-seals-records-in-deadly-crash-case-of-sam-ellis-teen-who-killed-2-wootton-students

Do they have AA or NA in prison?


Wow.
Greenberg sounds like a winner of a judge. Wonder if he has ties to Ellis' family somehow? I mean, after what the article states about his priors and his phone calls ("list ass time", "concoct a sob story") I am shocked he got four years.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2016 12:40     Subject: Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Wow - that article. This guy seems very dysfunctional. Laughing about the deaths? Several previous arrests or citations? Parents- if you have a teen who drinks - TAKE AWAY THE CAR KEYS.


Sam Ellis is pretty much used to doing whatever he pleases... without appropriate consequences. And so his privileged existence continues. Until his next opportunity to get behind the wheel and have another "accident". His drinking lawyer buddy, Saltzman, will show him how to beat the system. Just watch.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2016 12:39     Subject: Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
"And yet the Murk and Li parents couldn't teach their boys to call them, call an uber or not get drunk or get in a car with a driver know to be drinking. And the boys couldn't figure it out on their own. Lots of bleeding hearts to go around. There's no monopoly on the tragedy here."

That's like blaming the Stanford victim for being drunk. In the end THEY didn't drive the car 100 mph into a tree. Simple.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2016 08:18     Subject: Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Wow - that article. This guy seems very dysfunctional. Laughing about the deaths? Several previous arrests or citations? Parents- if you have a teen who drinks - TAKE AWAY THE CAR KEYS.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2016 06:32     Subject: Four years in prison for teen party student in Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow this article mentions an arrest that I don't recall seeing reported before.

http://wjla.com/news/local/judge-seals-records-in-deadly-crash-case-of-sam-ellis-teen-who-killed-2-wootton-students

Do they have AA or NA in prison?


WOW - just wow! How the Murk and Li families can bear the loss coupled with this boy's cavalier attitude is beyond me. My heart bleeds for them.

And yet the Murk and Li parents couldn't teach their boys to call them, call an uber or not get drunk or get in a car with a driver know to be drinking. And the boys couldn't figure it out on their own. Lots of bleeding hearts to go around. There's no monopoly on the tragedy here.



Once kids start drinking alcohol,
they can't do much of ANYTHING responsibly,
until they sober up.

That's why these grossly IRRESPONSIBLE parents who think they're "teaching" their kid how to drink "responsibly," are as dumb as they come.

They need to be called out for their dangerous stupidity.