Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:43
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.
By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.
Sure, let's increase traffic and have those kids be driven or bused to a school several miles away, rather than going to one they can walk to, all in the name of diversity. Insane.
Hearst to Hardy = 1.8 miles
Hearst to Deal = 1.1 miles
About 7-10 minutes longer on foot.
For Hearst, you may have a point. Not for the others though.
Janney to Hardy: 2.5 miles
Janney to Deal: 0.5 miles
Anyone who thinks that Janney, Murch, and Lafayette should be zoned out of Deal before any EOTP school is crazy.
Never will happen removing Shepherd from Deal. I don't even know why it's brought up. Marion Barry will literally rise from his grave to ensure that never happens.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:42
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.
If you look at it all of NW has been exercising its political muscle over SW, SE, and NE for the longest. You all are the same.
SP is part of NW. Not sure what you're talking about.
I am grouping SP into the category with the other schools that happen to be in Ward 3. There is a sense of entitlement amongst the parents.
Hear hear!
People who feel entitled to send their kids to someone else's neighborhood are, well, entitled.
What if instead they fixed their own neighborhood schools?
In a city like DC, which has already invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the complete rebuilding/ renovation of a good number of failing schools, that should be the obvious starting point for accusatory whiners like previous PP.
Deal is only in one neighborhood. More than one school in other neighborhoods feed to it. So are you suggesting Hearst, Lafayette, Shepherd, and Bancroft me removed from Deal? You can't have one middle school for every neighborhood.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:41
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.
If you look at it all of NW has been exercising its political muscle over SW, SE, and NE for the longest. You all are the same.
SP is part of NW. Not sure what you're talking about.
I am grouping SP into the category with the other schools that happen to be in Ward 3. There is a sense of entitlement amongst the parents.
Hear hear!
People who feel entitled to send their kids to someone else's neighborhood are, well, entitled.
There is a sense of entitlement amongst the JKLMS parents that they are the only ones that should have access to good schools, stores, facilities and etc. Last time i checked all DC residents tax money goes to funding all of the schools not just the one they live closest to.
What if instead they fixed their own neighborhood schools?
In a city like DC, which has already invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the complete rebuilding/ renovation of a good number of failing schools, that should be the obvious starting point for accusatory whiners like previous PP.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:40
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.
By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.
Sure, let's increase traffic and have those kids be driven or bused to a school several miles away, rather than going to one they can walk to, all in the name of diversity. Insane.
Hearst to Hardy = 1.8 miles
Hearst to Deal = 1.1 miles
About 7-10 minutes longer on foot.
For Hearst, you may have a point. Not for the others though.
Janney to Hardy: 2.5 miles
Janney to Deal: 0.5 miles
Anyone who thinks that Janney, Murch, and Lafayette should be zoned out of Deal before any EOTP school is crazy.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:38
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another option would be to get rid of the automatic right of OOB students at feeders to attend Deal.
Sadly, I am starting to come around to this conclusion. I was vehemently opposed to it before...but this does seem like the most viable option.
I agree with this route too. I've been saying it for years.
You've been saying it for years and that's because it will never happen. It is political suicide and to make it happen you've have to grandfather in a generation. So fine, do it but do it now and say it becomes effective several years down the road.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:32
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.
If you look at it all of NW has been exercising its political muscle over SW, SE, and NE for the longest. You all are the same.
SP is part of NW. Not sure what you're talking about.
I am grouping SP into the category with the other schools that happen to be in Ward 3. There is a sense of entitlement amongst the parents.
Hear hear!
People who feel entitled to send their kids to someone else's neighborhood are, well, entitled.
What if instead they fixed their own neighborhood schools?
In a city like DC, which has already invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the complete rebuilding/ renovation of a good number of failing schools, that should be the obvious starting point for accusatory whiners like previous PP.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:28
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.
If you look at it all of NW has been exercising its political muscle over SW, SE, and NE for the longest. You all are the same.
SP is part of NW. Not sure what you're talking about.
I am grouping SP into the category with the other schools that happen to be in Ward 3. There is a sense of entitlement amongst the parents.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:22
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.
By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.
Sure, let's increase traffic and have those kids be driven or bused to a school several miles away, rather than going to one they can walk to, all in the name of diversity. Insane.
+1. Makes no sense, AND it won't happen.
Incidentally, what is the status of the supposed new bilingual program at Roosevelt? Weren't Bancroft, Oyster and other bilingual schools supposed to feed there at some point?
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:21
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.
By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.
Sure, let's increase traffic and have those kids be driven or bused to a school several miles away, rather than going to one they can walk to, all in the name of diversity. Insane.
Hearst to Hardy = 1.8 miles
Hearst to Deal = 1.1 miles
About 7-10 minutes longer on foot.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:13
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.
If you look at it all of NW has been exercising its political muscle over SW, SE, and NE for the longest. You all are the same.
SP is part of NW. Not sure what you're talking about.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:08
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.
By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.
Sure, let's increase traffic and have those kids be driven or bused to a school several miles away, rather than going to one they can walk to, all in the name of diversity. Insane.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:07
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
+1 Exactly. Hearst families can walk to Deal. Eaton is further south and was not walkable to Deal.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Like Eaton was?Honestly I think that Hearst is more likely to be routed to Hardy before Shepherd, Bancroft or Lafayette are changed.
Yep
I agree - Hearst is small and has a lot of OOP kids, so less political muscle. And since it is in upper northwest, it's less politically problematic to change it to Hardy than to change Bancroft or Shepard. But that is just my guess, based on what happened with Eaton and (to a lesser degree) Oyster.
If DCPS would put out the waitlist results, you would know that in the PK lottery, all 39 seats went to IB kids. Sure, some of those turned them down and a handful of OOB w/sibling got in. But every year for the past few years, more and more IB kids are enrolling at our school, from which we can practically spit on Deal. Hearst won't be moving to Hardy anytime soon.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:05
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.
By 2020 Janney, Hearst, Lafayette and Murch will also have about the same about of diversity (little) making then all more vulnerable to potentially losing the feed than Bancroft or Shepherd.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:03
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
It would make most sense to shift Janney to Hardy for the following reasons: 1) most kids live along with Wisconsin Avenue corridor so there is existing and plentiful public transportation options to Hardy (all the 30 buses), 2) Hardy would be fully utilized by shifting Janney, 3) there would be no drop in diversity to Deal, as would be the case in moving the other ESs.
Anonymous
05/11/2016 15:00
Subject: Which would lose their Deal feed first: Shepherd, Bancroft, or Lafayette?
Anonymous wrote:That diversity lawsuit card is a BS red herring, in my view. It's based on the lawsuits from the 1960s and 1970s which dealt with actual disparate treatment among students and schools. None of it said Shepherd Park is required to be zoned forever to Deal Middle. That's just an item one SP poster likes to trot out to threaten a civil rights lawsuit if SP is ever re-zoned away from Deal. It's part of SP's impressive ability to wield political muscle to gain it benefits over other neighborhoods.
+1