Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Helicopter much, PP? I'm surprised parents would get this involved unless it's a really big issue like bullying. This is one strange area. I do know of parents who have asked that friends be separated because they get too silly together and can distract eachother and the rest of the class but that's different.
It sounds like OP's child IS being bullied.
All this does is 1) enable the pest to bother someone else and 2) turn OP's kid into a weak, entitled child who will never learn to fight his/her battles.
Soon, OP's kid will develop anxiety and school phobia b/c s/he hasn't learned to defend him/herself.
have seen it many times
too many helicopters
Says the mom of the bully who thinks mean girls are cute.
My son was bullied by a jock kid in 6th grade. The jock got in trouble at lunch and assigned to my kid's table where he and all his good friends sat. Jock/bully proceded to quietly and sneakily work his way as alpha male for the group and systematically isolating my son. The other kids were nice but as one tood my son at the end of the year "I am really sorryI went along with Jock Bully but if you weren't there to be picked on he would pick on me."
In the semester of the lunchtime bully, my kind, gentle, confident, funny and outgoing child became withdrawn, sad, down on himself, isolated and a bit of a loaner. This is my kid who made friend the first time he met a person, had a broad social group, was well liked and respected by peers and an overall kind and great kid.
Two years later, my son is now an introvert. He tries to blend in, is hesitant to start conversations with people, and has low confidence levels. The only plus side to the bullying (and there is s plus) is that he is very quick to stand up and intervene when someone is getting bullied, be it the quirky outcast or the beautiful smart girl that the mean girls are jealous of. He has developed a knack of knowing when to say something directly to the bully, when to mention it to a teacher on the side, and when to say something to me and ask me to reach out to a counselor. It is in those moment where I see a brief glimpse of my vivacious, confident son.
So yes, you touch base with the school when your child lets you know that bullying (and not just kid fighting...there is a difference) is going on. Reach out before it becomes a real problem.
My kid did not share it with us until it had been going on for months snd tue end of the school year was just right around the corner. At that point, he was having upset stomachs, did not want to go to school, and would not eat lunch at school (would leave it in his backpack) because one of Jock Bully's favorite pastimes was stealing his lunch and eating all the good stuff then sitting on his sandwich before tossing it back to him.
If only we had known sooner, we could have had that kid moved clear across the cafeteria and perhaps have gotten him some time in the principals or counselors office. If we had known sooner and spoken up sooner, our kid would not have been changed so drastically or dealt with the long term fall out.
Bullying does not have to be physical to cause long term, life changing damage to a kid. In fact, physical bullying is often easier to deal with because it gets instant and dramatic reactions from the adult in charge. Emotional bullying will change a kid forever.
OP, reach out to the teacher and principal. You won't regret it, but you will regret your daughter being bullied for another school year.
You wrote a novella that completely supported the point I made in my post -Soon, OP's kid will develop anxiety and school phobia b/c s/he hasn't learned to defend him/herself.
I am not a heartless bitch. In fact, my daughter has stood up to bullies in both ES and MS in order to protect some vulnerable kids.
You, however, failed to 1) recognizes changes in your own child, which isn't hard to do and 2) failed to equip him with skills to protect himself. Kids need to be taught to stand up to bullies. And bullies - who are bullied at home - need supports to help reverse the damages done to them.
It's not as simple as changes lunch tables or keeping the kids physically separated. band aid approach at best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP said, "The kid is just consistently mean to my kid, excludes her, tells her she doesn't like her."
There are four kids who do act this way to my child who has special needs. They may be your kids, PPs. Should I go to school on Monday and fill out a bullying report? Because if the consensus here is yes this is actually bullying I will and you'll be shocked because it'll be your kids in the principal's office.
OMG please do. if it was my kid I'd want to know. I won't have my child acting cruel to others!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Helicopter much, PP? I'm surprised parents would get this involved unless it's a really big issue like bullying. This is one strange area. I do know of parents who have asked that friends be separated because they get too silly together and can distract eachother and the rest of the class but that's different.
It sounds like OP's child IS being bullied.
All this does is 1) enable the pest to bother someone else and 2) turn OP's kid into a weak, entitled child who will never learn to fight his/her battles.
Soon, OP's kid will develop anxiety and school phobia b/c s/he hasn't learned to defend him/herself.
have seen it many times
too many helicopters
Says the mom of the bully who thinks mean girls are cute.
My son was bullied by a jock kid in 6th grade. The jock got in trouble at lunch and assigned to my kid's table where he and all his good friends sat. Jock/bully proceded to quietly and sneakily work his way as alpha male for the group and systematically isolating my son. The other kids were nice but as one tood my son at the end of the year "I am really sorryI went along with Jock Bully but if you weren't there to be picked on he would pick on me."
In the semester of the lunchtime bully, my kind, gentle, confident, funny and outgoing child became withdrawn, sad, down on himself, isolated and a bit of a loaner. This is my kid who made friend the first time he met a person, had a broad social group, was well liked and respected by peers and an overall kind and great kid.
Two years later, my son is now an introvert. He tries to blend in, is hesitant to start conversations with people, and has low confidence levels. The only plus side to the bullying (and there is s plus) is that he is very quick to stand up and intervene when someone is getting bullied, be it the quirky outcast or the beautiful smart girl that the mean girls are jealous of. He has developed a knack of knowing when to say something directly to the bully, when to mention it to a teacher on the side, and when to say something to me and ask me to reach out to a counselor. It is in those moment where I see a brief glimpse of my vivacious, confident son.
So yes, you touch base with the school when your child lets you know that bullying (and not just kid fighting...there is a difference) is going on. Reach out before it becomes a real problem.
My kid did not share it with us until it had been going on for months snd tue end of the school year was just right around the corner. At that point, he was having upset stomachs, did not want to go to school, and would not eat lunch at school (would leave it in his backpack) because one of Jock Bully's favorite pastimes was stealing his lunch and eating all the good stuff then sitting on his sandwich before tossing it back to him.
If only we had known sooner, we could have had that kid moved clear across the cafeteria and perhaps have gotten him some time in the principals or counselors office. If we had known sooner and spoken up sooner, our kid would not have been changed so drastically or dealt with the long term fall out.
Bullying does not have to be physical to cause long term, life changing damage to a kid. In fact, physical bullying is often easier to deal with because it gets instant and dramatic reactions from the adult in charge. Emotional bullying will change a kid forever.
OP, reach out to the teacher and principal. You won't regret it, but you will regret your daughter being bullied for another school year.
You wrote a novella that completely supported the point I made in my post -Soon, OP's kid will develop anxiety and school phobia b/c s/he hasn't learned to defend him/herself.
I am not a heartless bitch. In fact, my daughter has stood up to bullies in both ES and MS in order to protect some vulnerable kids.
You, however, failed to 1) recognizes changes in your own child, which isn't hard to do and 2) failed to equip him with skills to protect himself. Kids need to be taught to stand up to bullies. And bullies - who are bullied at home - need supports to help reverse the damages done to them.
It's not as simple as changes lunch tables or keeping the kids physically separated. band aid approach at best
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Helicopter much, PP? I'm surprised parents would get this involved unless it's a really big issue like bullying. This is one strange area. I do know of parents who have asked that friends be separated because they get too silly together and can distract eachother and the rest of the class but that's different.
It sounds like OP's child IS being bullied.
All this does is 1) enable the pest to bother someone else and 2) turn OP's kid into a weak, entitled child who will never learn to fight his/her battles.
Soon, OP's kid will develop anxiety and school phobia b/c s/he hasn't learned to defend him/herself.
have seen it many times
too many helicopters
Says the mom of the bully who thinks mean girls are cute.
My son was bullied by a jock kid in 6th grade. The jock got in trouble at lunch and assigned to my kid's table where he and all his good friends sat. Jock/bully proceded to quietly and sneakily work his way as alpha male for the group and systematically isolating my son. The other kids were nice but as one tood my son at the end of the year "I am really sorryI went along with Jock Bully but if you weren't there to be picked on he would pick on me."
In the semester of the lunchtime bully, my kind, gentle, confident, funny and outgoing child became withdrawn, sad, down on himself, isolated and a bit of a loaner. This is my kid who made friend the first time he met a person, had a broad social group, was well liked and respected by peers and an overall kind and great kid.
Two years later, my son is now an introvert. He tries to blend in, is hesitant to start conversations with people, and has low confidence levels. The only plus side to the bullying (and there is s plus) is that he is very quick to stand up and intervene when someone is getting bullied, be it the quirky outcast or the beautiful smart girl that the mean girls are jealous of. He has developed a knack of knowing when to say something directly to the bully, when to mention it to a teacher on the side, and when to say something to me and ask me to reach out to a counselor. It is in those moment where I see a brief glimpse of my vivacious, confident son.
So yes, you touch base with the school when your child lets you know that bullying (and not just kid fighting...there is a difference) is going on. Reach out before it becomes a real problem.
My kid did not share it with us until it had been going on for months snd tue end of the school year was just right around the corner. At that point, he was having upset stomachs, did not want to go to school, and would not eat lunch at school (would leave it in his backpack) because one of Jock Bully's favorite pastimes was stealing his lunch and eating all the good stuff then sitting on his sandwich before tossing it back to him.
If only we had known sooner, we could have had that kid moved clear across the cafeteria and perhaps have gotten him some time in the principals or counselors office. If we had known sooner and spoken up sooner, our kid would not have been changed so drastically or dealt with the long term fall out.
Bullying does not have to be physical to cause long term, life changing damage to a kid. In fact, physical bullying is often easier to deal with because it gets instant and dramatic reactions from the adult in charge. Emotional bullying will change a kid forever.
OP, reach out to the teacher and principal. You won't regret it, but you will regret your daughter being bullied for another school year.
Soon, OP's kid will develop anxiety and school phobia b/c s/he hasn't learned to defend him/herself.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Helicopter much, PP? I'm surprised parents would get this involved unless it's a really big issue like bullying. This is one strange area. I do know of parents who have asked that friends be separated because they get too silly together and can distract eachother and the rest of the class but that's different.
It sounds like OP's child IS being bullied.
All this does is 1) enable the pest to bother someone else and 2) turn OP's kid into a weak, entitled child who will never learn to fight his/her battles.
Soon, OP's kid will develop anxiety and school phobia b/c s/he hasn't learned to defend him/herself.
have seen it many times
too many helicopters
Anonymous wrote:Dh was with a mean girl in second grade. I wrote on DDs feedback form for third grade, "Due to social reasons, do not place Lara with Suzy. They were placed in different 3rd grade classes. DD and the girl do the same after school club 2 days a week. The relationship has not gotten better in 4th grade. Suzy will purposefully come up to the group my dd is talking with and stand in front of DD ultimately pushing DD our of the circle.
They are now in fourth grade and the teachers are not aware of the dynamics so I again wrote, "Due to social reasons, do not place Lara and Suzy in the same class."
It doesn't help that the teacher likes the kids teasing more than my mess of a kid. This stuff is 100% within the control of the school and the culture it fosters. Sure, it will be easier for them to foster such a non bullying culture by breaking up certain kids into different classes, but it is all on them IMO.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Helicopter much, PP? I'm surprised parents would get this involved unless it's a really big issue like bullying. This is one strange area. I do know of parents who have asked that friends be separated because they get too silly together and can distract eachother and the rest of the class but that's different.
It sounds like OP's child IS being bullied.
All this does is 1) enable the pest to bother someone else and 2) turn OP's kid into a weak, entitled child who will never learn to fight his/her battles.
Soon, OP's kid will develop anxiety and school phobia b/c s/he hasn't learned to defend him/herself.
have seen it many times
too many helicopters
Ridiculous!
The problem isn't "too many helicopters."
The problem is too many bullies - and I blame the parents of those bullies for the problem.
It is NOT the school's role to raise moral, well-disciplined children.
Rather, its the parents' responsibility to properly raise their children to - at a minimum - NOT bully others, - and to punish their children if they engage in bullying behavior.
But too many parents these days do not take any personal responsibility, nor responsibility for their offspring. These essentially feral spawn -and the parents that create them & then drop out - are the root of the issue.
We witnessed a perfect example of this absentee parenting this past weekend at a nice outdoor cafe: two parents appeared to be enjoying a meal with their two children (guessing ages 8 &10). But instead of dining together, both kids were playing violent video games (maybe "halo" game?) on handheld devices;
-no conversation; no interaction, just a live-action stream of video violence right into those impressionable young minds. Complete selfishness on the parents part. I can't say whether the kids bully. But video violence & absentee parenting probably won't lead to ideal outcomes IMHO.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Helicopter much, PP? I'm surprised parents would get this involved unless it's a really big issue like bullying. This is one strange area. I do know of parents who have asked that friends be separated because they get too silly together and can distract eachother and the rest of the class but that's different.
It sounds like OP's child IS being bullied.
All this does is 1) enable the pest to bother someone else and 2) turn OP's kid into a weak, entitled child who will never learn to fight his/her battles.
Soon, OP's kid will develop anxiety and school phobia b/c s/he hasn't learned to defend him/herself.
have seen it many times
too many helicopters
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Helicopter much, PP? I'm surprised parents would get this involved unless it's a really big issue like bullying. This is one strange area. I do know of parents who have asked that friends be separated because they get too silly together and can distract eachother and the rest of the class but that's different.
It sounds like OP's child IS being bullied.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:By luck, that child is not in our child's class. As far as we know, there are no special needs children in our child's class this year. The school disciplinary reports have stopped. And although we never said anything whatsoever, our child has come to understand that those bad behaviors are not acceptable in the classroom or at home.
I hate to break it to you but the probability of that happening, even in AAP unless they are discriminating, is probably zero. There are always children with some kind of special needs in every public school classroom in America. It's great you are trying to teach your child to be inclusive but you should not blame the special needs child for your own child's behavior issues last year. My DS is friends with a child with some behavioral issues at school and has never imitated him. I don't consider the friendship to be my child's way of being "inclusive." He likes this child and they have similar interests. I also think he gets a lot out of being this child's friend because he has learned empathy, how to be supportive, how to be loyal, how to see the positive in every person.