Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 14:20     Subject: Backless Booster
Anonymous wrote:There are good studies to show if a harness vs. HBB vs. LBB are safest in kids older than 4. Best practices is to keep a child harnessed till 5-7. (We just stopped at 6.5 for a variety of reasons including I did not like the harness fit on some of our seats). Common sense is go go for a HBB next as it keeps kids in position and provides them with support, especially for sleeping. It is fine to use a latch or non-latch as the seatbelt keeps them in place. Latch is best for when car seat is not in use. There are no studies (we have one latch and 3 non latch HBB. the non latch have a better fit). If your child is not comfortable in a seat, then take them and get another if you can afford it vs. moving them earlier. Its one thing not to be cheap on. Don't buy a seat with future plans - we got the frontier as they advertise you can use it as a seat belt booster. It was difficult to buckle and the fit is terrible. Get what you need for when you need it.


OOPs, no good studies
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 13:55     Subject: Backless Booster
There are good studies to show if a harness vs. HBB vs. LBB are safest in kids older than 4. Best practices is to keep a child harnessed till 5-7. (We just stopped at 6.5 for a variety of reasons including I did not like the harness fit on some of our seats). Common sense is go go for a HBB next as it keeps kids in position and provides them with support, especially for sleeping. It is fine to use a latch or non-latch as the seatbelt keeps them in place. Latch is best for when car seat is not in use. There are no studies (we have one latch and 3 non latch HBB. the non latch have a better fit). If your child is not comfortable in a seat, then take them and get another if you can afford it vs. moving them earlier. Its one thing not to be cheap on. Don't buy a seat with future plans - we got the frontier as they advertise you can use it as a seat belt booster. It was difficult to buckle and the fit is terrible. Get what you need for when you need it.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 13:51     Subject: Backless Booster
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The boosters say on the box that they can be used 3/30 pounds or 4/40 pounds that doesn't mean it's legal (in some states) or safe.

A child has to be able to sit with the seatbelt fitting correctly. We have small kids, and in addition to that they were NOT mature enough for a booster at 3 or 4 years old.

We went on a cross country trip this past summer and I ended up putting my 6 year old back into his old Radian because he was literally crawling out of his seat/seatbelt while trying to get things and being silly and could not contain himself. In the Radian I knew he was contained and safe.

We never called 5 point harness "baby seats", so that's never been an issue. We switch to a booster for everyday use around 5-5.5 but the harnessed seats are still around if we need them.


Great parenting! Too lazy to teach him how to properly behave in a car. Just shove a 6-year old back in a baby seat! Yay, mom!



Says the mom who takes their kid out of the safer seat because their kid complains. Yay mom!


You're the one who put facts in evidence, sweetheart. You're just blowing smoke out of your ass guessing what others do.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 13:48     Subject: Backless Booster
We moved my 8 year old to a backless in one car as the harnessed carseat/backed booster he was in was expiring. He is average height and weight. The belt fits well over the shoulder and across the hips. He still has a backed booster in one car because it fits fine and doesn't need to be replaced.

DD is 5 and is still harnessed; she is in the 10th percentile height and weight. I will convert to regular belt in another year or two, depending on how it fits her, etc.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 13:38     Subject: Backless Booster
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The boosters say on the box that they can be used 3/30 pounds or 4/40 pounds that doesn't mean it's legal (in some states) or safe.

A child has to be able to sit with the seatbelt fitting correctly. We have small kids, and in addition to that they were NOT mature enough for a booster at 3 or 4 years old.

We went on a cross country trip this past summer and I ended up putting my 6 year old back into his old Radian because he was literally crawling out of his seat/seatbelt while trying to get things and being silly and could not contain himself. In the Radian I knew he was contained and safe.

We never called 5 point harness "baby seats", so that's never been an issue. We switch to a booster for everyday use around 5-5.5 but the harnessed seats are still around if we need them.


Great parenting! Too lazy to teach him how to properly behave in a car. Just shove a 6-year old back in a baby seat! Yay, mom!



Says the mom who takes their kid out of the safer seat because their kid complains. Yay mom!
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 13:35     Subject: Backless Booster
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a tractor trailer was hitting your car, would you want your 4yr old in a unlatched backless booster or a 5pt harness latched car seat?



Hahahaha!! If a tractor trailer was hitting my little car, then we would all be smushed, regardless of who was in what seat.


Absolutely not true. A 19 month old just survived a similar accident in Alaska last week. Rear-facing in a convertible carseat. People do survive accidents last time I checked.


Ummm.... A Ford-F150 is not quite the same thing as a tractor trailer. Nice try.


PP, let this poster keep her 4yr old in a backless booster because her kid whines. She knows it is not safe but her kid doesn't complain so she is happy. Let her roll the dice and continue to rationalize that you either get into an accident and die or not get into accident at all. It makes her feel better.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 11:38     Subject: Backless Booster
Anonymous wrote:The boosters say on the box that they can be used 3/30 pounds or 4/40 pounds that doesn't mean it's legal (in some states) or safe.

A child has to be able to sit with the seatbelt fitting correctly. We have small kids, and in addition to that they were NOT mature enough for a booster at 3 or 4 years old.

We went on a cross country trip this past summer and I ended up putting my 6 year old back into his old Radian because he was literally crawling out of his seat/seatbelt while trying to get things and being silly and could not contain himself. In the Radian I knew he was contained and safe.

We never called 5 point harness "baby seats", so that's never been an issue. We switch to a booster for everyday use around 5-5.5 but the harnessed seats are still around if we need them.


Great parenting! Too lazy to teach him how to properly behave in a car. Just shove a 6-year old back in a baby seat! Yay, mom!

Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 11:32     Subject: Backless Booster
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some of you parents (and your kids) need to grow a set of balls and parent your kids.

Neighborhood kids made fun of him as a reason to change seats? Wait until he is a teen and everyone makes fun of him for not smoking, drinking, not having sex, being a nerd doing homework etc...

And my kid whines or complains? LOL - great reason.



Yeah, I know. I suck. But sometimes you pick your battles. I've read a bunch of stuff that says the harness is safer, but you're talking .5% safer versus 20% safer. It's not like I'm throwing my kid in the back of a pickup truck. He meets the height/weight requirements of a backless booster. So I caved and I'll also encourage him to be a method addict.


Why do you keep talking about harnesses? High back boosters don't have harnesses. I think you misread OP's post. Does your booster have a back on it? If so it is not a backless booster.


Sorry. He was in a high back booster (britax frontier) and we used the harness, not the seatbelt. But then, being a shitty mom, we switched him to a backless booster because he complained constantly about being uncomfortable in the high back booster. I was having some other problems with the britax (seat cover and foam kept falling off), which also played into the decision to switch. I also read that backless boosters are safer than high back boosters that convert to backless boosters. You also need to make sure the child has a headrest and the seatbelt hits him in the right place.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 11:17     Subject: Backless Booster
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have an 11 yo. None of her friends have used boosters for years. An 11 yo in a booster?!?!?!

I have seen 4 and 5 yos in backless boosters in our preschool car line. It's not uncommon.


I know what a backless booster is. My DD got one on her fourth birthday. It is not comfortable when she falls asleep but she would not stay in her 5 harness seat. Her older sister doesn't use one as well. I read all the instructions and she was good to go on the age and weight limits. I don't understand why that would put me in the "troll" category.


Why not use, at least, a high back booster?

Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 11:10     Subject: Backless Booster
Where is a backless booster at 4/40lbs not legal?
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 09:59     Subject: Backless Booster
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a tractor trailer was hitting your car, would you want your 4yr old in a unlatched backless booster or a 5pt harness latched car seat?



Hahahaha!! If a tractor trailer was hitting my little car, then we would all be smushed, regardless of who was in what seat.


Absolutely not true. A 19 month old just survived a similar accident in Alaska last week. Rear-facing in a convertible carseat. People do survive accidents last time I checked.


Ummm.... A Ford-F150 is not quite the same thing as a tractor trailer. Nice try.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 09:45     Subject: Backless Booster
The boosters say on the box that they can be used 3/30 pounds or 4/40 pounds that doesn't mean it's legal (in some states) or safe.

A child has to be able to sit with the seatbelt fitting correctly. We have small kids, and in addition to that they were NOT mature enough for a booster at 3 or 4 years old.

We went on a cross country trip this past summer and I ended up putting my 6 year old back into his old Radian because he was literally crawling out of his seat/seatbelt while trying to get things and being silly and could not contain himself. In the Radian I knew he was contained and safe.

We never called 5 point harness "baby seats", so that's never been an issue. We switch to a booster for everyday use around 5-5.5 but the harnessed seats are still around if we need them.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2016 02:33     Subject: Backless Booster
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a tractor trailer was hitting your car, would you want your 4yr old in a unlatched backless booster or a 5pt harness latched car seat?



Hahahaha!! If a tractor trailer was hitting my little car, then we would all be smushed, regardless of who was in what seat.


Absolutely not true. A 19 month old just survived a similar accident in Alaska last week. Rear-facing in a convertible carseat. People do survive accidents last time I checked.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2016 19:55     Subject: Backless Booster
Anonymous wrote:If a tractor trailer was hitting your car, would you want your 4yr old in a unlatched backless booster or a 5pt harness latched car seat?



Hahahaha!! If a tractor trailer was hitting my little car, then we would all be smushed, regardless of who was in what seat.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2016 14:20     Subject: Backless Booster
If a tractor trailer was hitting your car, would you want your 4yr old in a unlatched backless booster or a 5pt harness latched car seat?