Anonymous
Post 01/05/2016 09:09     Subject: Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
Anonymous wrote:What I find interesting is that there is so much fearmongering about RNP and SIDS on this thread and the handful of links on this thread, but I have been unable to find one single SIDS death in it. Now, I'm sure there probably has been one, since as a PP pointed out, SIDS is actual unexplained death. But it is noteworthy that none of the articles railing on it can say more than "in theory, this increases the risk of SIDS because of XYZ features, which are not a flat surface." And yet I can find no documented cases of it where it's easy to find documented SIDS cases for bouncer, swing, carseat, etc. (Of course, even if there were documented SIDS cases that would not mean an increased risk per se, given that plenty of SIDS deaths occur in cribs.)

PP's pediatrician is right - it is fine for the occasional nap. And it is fine for newborn night sleeping as well. My pediatrician said that up to about a month, when baby is waking frequently to eat anyway, and parents are typically sleeping close by in the same room, it really is completely fine and preferable to most other alternatives including cosleeping (which is what many others do, who do not otherwise plan to cosleep and thus do not have "safe" cosleeping set up).

When the RNP is arguably NOT fine is when it's used for ALL sleep for months at a time. That's when you get baby stuck in a particular head position and increased incidence of flat head and torticollis. Also true for swings, of course.

Both of my babies used Rock N Play for night sleep for the first month or so. I also use it for night sleep when young baby is congested and sleeping poorly as a result. I make an effort NOT to put baby in Rock N play during the day when using for night sleep. Now that DC2 is into bassinet for night sleep, the Rock n play's main use is as a seat at the dinner table or outside the shower while I shower. And it is a f*ing godsend for those purposes too.

My brother/SIL used RNP for night sleep for months and months and they don't have any issues. I probably wouldn't have been comfortable with that, but it worked for them. I believe they observed him a lot for head side preference, etc.

OK, there's my speech - haters gonna hate, I guess. But this is a great, must-have product in my view. Most of the people reading this thread are educated enough to know what the sleep recommendation is - so no, I don't feel the need to preface everything with "the recommended sleeping environment is X" before I say "The Rock N play is a f*ing godsend."


+1000. The voice of reason arrives on this thread!
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2016 08:55     Subject: Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised there haven't been recalls on the RnP yet, given all the issues PPs have mentioned. Or strong warnings from pediatricians, mine seemed to have no idea and said it was fine for the occasional nap.


The one RnP recall was for mold on a low-end model of it. I make an effort to wash the cover every couple of weeks for that reason (which is very easy, unlike most swings). The reason there haven't been more is because they aren't warranted at this time. You know what else has caused increased torticollis and flat head in this generation of babies? Sleeping in cribs. Your pediatrician is not clueless, they're just reasonable, and they realize that the perfect sleep environment is not always possible. RnP is a pretty good second choice, honestly, and many pediatricians recognize that.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2016 08:46     Subject: Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
What I find interesting is that there is so much fearmongering about RNP and SIDS on this thread and the handful of links on this thread, but I have been unable to find one single SIDS death in it. Now, I'm sure there probably has been one, since as a PP pointed out, SIDS is actual unexplained death. But it is noteworthy that none of the articles railing on it can say more than "in theory, this increases the risk of SIDS because of XYZ features, which are not a flat surface." And yet I can find no documented cases of it where it's easy to find documented SIDS cases for bouncer, swing, carseat, etc. (Of course, even if there were documented SIDS cases that would not mean an increased risk per se, given that plenty of SIDS deaths occur in cribs.)

PP's pediatrician is right - it is fine for the occasional nap. And it is fine for newborn night sleeping as well. My pediatrician said that up to about a month, when baby is waking frequently to eat anyway, and parents are typically sleeping close by in the same room, it really is completely fine and preferable to most other alternatives including cosleeping (which is what many others do, who do not otherwise plan to cosleep and thus do not have "safe" cosleeping set up).

When the RNP is arguably NOT fine is when it's used for ALL sleep for months at a time. That's when you get baby stuck in a particular head position and increased incidence of flat head and torticollis. Also true for swings, of course.

Both of my babies used Rock N Play for night sleep for the first month or so. I also use it for night sleep when young baby is congested and sleeping poorly as a result. I make an effort NOT to put baby in Rock N play during the day when using for night sleep. Now that DC2 is into bassinet for night sleep, the Rock n play's main use is as a seat at the dinner table or outside the shower while I shower. And it is a f*ing godsend for those purposes too.

My brother/SIL used RNP for night sleep for months and months and they don't have any issues. I probably wouldn't have been comfortable with that, but it worked for them. I believe they observed him a lot for head side preference, etc.

OK, there's my speech - haters gonna hate, I guess. But this is a great, must-have product in my view. Most of the people reading this thread are educated enough to know what the sleep recommendation is - so no, I don't feel the need to preface everything with "the recommended sleeping environment is X" before I say "The Rock N play is a f*ing godsend."
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2016 08:32     Subject: Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I used a cosleeper. I had a pack and play, but never once used it. The cosleeper was portable and smaller and sturdier than the pack and play, so the baby liked it better. I also had a motorized swing. Those were the only two things I used - never used the crib at all, either.



Which one did you use? Thanks!


It was called Armsreach. I never actually used the cosleeping position - just used it like a bassinet, with the sides up, but next to the bed. I was too worried about blankets falling into it when it was attached to the bed.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2016 06:58     Subject: Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
I'm surprised there haven't been recalls on the RnP yet, given all the issues PPs have mentioned. Or strong warnings from pediatricians, mine seemed to have no idea and said it was fine for the occasional nap.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2016 20:53     Subject: Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
Rnp is actually supposed to worsen refluxing to esophagus. Not denying reflux kids don't sleep better in if but its not reflux improvement; it's something else.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2016 20:41     Subject: Re:Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh and it's cool that you know "lots" of people that do it. I know two that have died from SIDS (including my sister). It's not worth it.


From sleeping in a rock n play? I'm sorry for your loss, but how old are you?


Does it matter (it was 19 years ago). The point is, every advisory says not to sleep in car seat or bouncers for long periods of time and especially not attended (advice is to lay on flat surface). Why do parents insist on advising people to do this? To make it easier? It is not worth it, there are so many other options.


There are minimal increased risks with many, many parental decisions. Guilting parents for these decisions is silly. To cite a common example, a sleep-deprived parent may crash the car. Almost everyone understands that sleeping on its back with no blankets on a flat surface in the same room but not the same bed is the recommended safest sleep environment.

Like the other PP I am very sorry for your loss. Your comment is a bit vague about the SIDS deaths - were they (as I suspect) car seat, swing, bouncer deaths? Or were they actual rock n play deaths, from this specific product? The reason I ask is because I have googled the hell out of this and have weirdly not found any specific SIDS deaths attributable to RNPs. On the other hand, many SIDS deaths result in other sleep environments including the recommended one. There are no guarantees and we have to do the best we can. My pediatrician says the RNP is safer than a car seat or bouncer.


NP. Google RNP and sleep and let me know if you see any doctors that say it's ok. I have and have not found one link hat says unattended sleep in an RNP
Is safe. In fact, every link will advise opposite. If it's easy for you and you're willing to take risks against medical advice but its not good advice to tell a FTM to do it unless you preface it with saying "it's not advised but we do____"


?? Where was PP advocating sleeping in rock n plays for 16 hrs a day? She was merely explaining why parents use it, and that we're all doing the best we can. If baby has acid reflux and screams at being flat on their back being on an incline can sometimes help. I certainly wouldn't use it for a full time sleeping arrangement. Similarly I had not heard about the rock n play - SIDS connection (although if deaths really are being attributed to the rock n play, that's not really SIDS, right? SIDS are really unexplained deaths). I had read about issues with flat spots and other issues with being in a reclined position for a long period of time, and only use it periodically.


This entire thread is asking what your baby sleeps in for the first few months so yes that means full time, and mostly unattended. PP and many others have advocated using RNP. That is not a safe device to use for unattended sleep. If you want to continue to use it so be it.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2016 18:44     Subject: Re:Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh and it's cool that you know "lots" of people that do it. I know two that have died from SIDS (including my sister). It's not worth it.


From sleeping in a rock n play? I'm sorry for your loss, but how old are you?


Does it matter (it was 19 years ago). The point is, every advisory says not to sleep in car seat or bouncers for long periods of time and especially not attended (advice is to lay on flat surface). Why do parents insist on advising people to do this? To make it easier? It is not worth it, there are so many other options.


There are minimal increased risks with many, many parental decisions. Guilting parents for these decisions is silly. To cite a common example, a sleep-deprived parent may crash the car. Almost everyone understands that sleeping on its back with no blankets on a flat surface in the same room but not the same bed is the recommended safest sleep environment.

Like the other PP I am very sorry for your loss. Your comment is a bit vague about the SIDS deaths - were they (as I suspect) car seat, swing, bouncer deaths? Or were they actual rock n play deaths, from this specific product? The reason I ask is because I have googled the hell out of this and have weirdly not found any specific SIDS deaths attributable to RNPs. On the other hand, many SIDS deaths result in other sleep environments including the recommended one. There are no guarantees and we have to do the best we can. My pediatrician says the RNP is safer than a car seat or bouncer.


NP. Google RNP and sleep and let me know if you see any doctors that say it's ok. I have and have not found one link hat says unattended sleep in an RNP
Is safe. In fact, every link will advise opposite. If it's easy for you and you're willing to take risks against medical advice but its not good advice to tell a FTM to do it unless you preface it with saying "it's not advised but we do____"


?? Where was PP advocating sleeping in rock n plays for 16 hrs a day? She was merely explaining why parents use it, and that we're all doing the best we can. If baby has acid reflux and screams at being flat on their back being on an incline can sometimes help. I certainly wouldn't use it for a full time sleeping arrangement. Similarly I had not heard about the rock n play - SIDS connection (although if deaths really are being attributed to the rock n play, that's not really SIDS, right? SIDS are really unexplained deaths). I had read about issues with flat spots and other issues with being in a reclined position for a long period of time, and only use it periodically.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2016 18:18     Subject: Re:Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh and it's cool that you know "lots" of people that do it. I know two that have died from SIDS (including my sister). It's not worth it.


From sleeping in a rock n play? I'm sorry for your loss, but how old are you?


Does it matter (it was 19 years ago). The point is, every advisory says not to sleep in car seat or bouncers for long periods of time and especially not attended (advice is to lay on flat surface). Why do parents insist on advising people to do this? To make it easier? It is not worth it, there are so many other options.


There are minimal increased risks with many, many parental decisions. Guilting parents for these decisions is silly. To cite a common example, a sleep-deprived parent may crash the car. Almost everyone understands that sleeping on its back with no blankets on a flat surface in the same room but not the same bed is the recommended safest sleep environment.

Like the other PP I am very sorry for your loss. Your comment is a bit vague about the SIDS deaths - were they (as I suspect) car seat, swing, bouncer deaths? Or were they actual rock n play deaths, from this specific product? The reason I ask is because I have googled the hell out of this and have weirdly not found any specific SIDS deaths attributable to RNPs. On the other hand, many SIDS deaths result in other sleep environments including the recommended one. There are no guarantees and we have to do the best we can. My pediatrician says the RNP is safer than a car seat or bouncer.


NP. Google RNP and sleep and let me know if you see any doctors that say it's ok. I have and have not found one link hat says unattended sleep in an RNP
Is safe. In fact, every link will advise opposite. If it's easy for you and you're willing to take risks against medical advice but its not good advice to tell a FTM to do it unless you preface it with saying "it's not advised but we do____"
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2016 17:45     Subject: Re:Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh and it's cool that you know "lots" of people that do it. I know two that have died from SIDS (including my sister). It's not worth it.


From sleeping in a rock n play? I'm sorry for your loss, but how old are you?


Does it matter (it was 19 years ago). The point is, every advisory says not to sleep in car seat or bouncers for long periods of time and especially not attended (advice is to lay on flat surface). Why do parents insist on advising people to do this? To make it easier? It is not worth it, there are so many other options.


There are minimal increased risks with many, many parental decisions. Guilting parents for these decisions is silly. To cite a common example, a sleep-deprived parent may crash the car. Almost everyone understands that sleeping on its back with no blankets on a flat surface in the same room but not the same bed is the recommended safest sleep environment.

Like the other PP I am very sorry for your loss. Your comment is a bit vague about the SIDS deaths - were they (as I suspect) car seat, swing, bouncer deaths? Or were they actual rock n play deaths, from this specific product? The reason I ask is because I have googled the hell out of this and have weirdly not found any specific SIDS deaths attributable to RNPs. On the other hand, many SIDS deaths result in other sleep environments including the recommended one. There are no guarantees and we have to do the best we can. My pediatrician says the RNP is safer than a car seat or bouncer.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2016 12:29     Subject: Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I used a cosleeper. I had a pack and play, but never once used it. The cosleeper was portable and smaller and sturdier than the pack and play, so the baby liked it better. I also had a motorized swing. Those were the only two things I used - never used the crib at all, either.



Which one did you use? Thanks!


Not PP but I think when everyone says co-sleeper, 95% are referring to the Arm's reach co-sleeper.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2016 11:54     Subject: Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
Anonymous wrote:I used a cosleeper. I had a pack and play, but never once used it. The cosleeper was portable and smaller and sturdier than the pack and play, so the baby liked it better. I also had a motorized swing. Those were the only two things I used - never used the crib at all, either.



Which one did you use? Thanks!
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2016 09:24     Subject: Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
I used a cosleeper. I had a pack and play, but never once used it. The cosleeper was portable and smaller and sturdier than the pack and play, so the baby liked it better. I also had a motorized swing. Those were the only two things I used - never used the crib at all, either.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2016 09:17     Subject: Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
We used the RNP for the first few weeks - maybe 8-10 weeks. However, I didn't like the angled recline position - it seemed awkward for LO, and I also was paranoid that he would become "addicted" to the motion (ours was the auto RNP). I transferred him into a pack and play in our room, and now he sleeps in the pack and play, with a supplemental mattress, in his room. It's very handy because he's used to sleeping in a PNP, and both grandmas, as well, and BIL and SIL, have one, as do most hotels. So whatever you decide, maybe get a PNP for naps.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2016 07:13     Subject: Re:Pack n Play, Bassinet or Co-sleeper?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh and it's cool that you know "lots" of people that do it. I know two that have died from SIDS (including my sister). It's not worth it.


From sleeping in a rock n play? I'm sorry for your loss, but how old are you?


Does it matter (it was 19 years ago). The point is, every advisory says not to sleep in car seat or bouncers for long periods of time and especially not attended (advice is to lay on flat surface). Why do parents insist on advising people to do this? To make it easier? It is not worth it, there are so many other options.