Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 16:29     Subject: Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
Anonymous wrote:
It's interesting how sometimes people claim that you can put up a Christmas tree in your home even if you don't celebrate Christmas and then here you're making it clear that if someone put up a tree you consider that they celebrated Christmas. Which is it?


I, personally, think it's funny that somebody is citing percentages of Jews with Christmas trees as proof that Christmas is a secular holiday celebrated by all.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 15:47     Subject: Re:Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
There are ugly sweater parties, many places sell intentionally ugly sweaters now, it's meant to be a fun thing. You can cut something out of felt and safety pin it to a sweater, pin pom poms all over a sweater. It doesn't require buying a sweater.

I have an ugly Christmas sweater from the 80s that of course wasn't intended to be ugly at the time but now fits the description. That sweater has gotten more wear in the last 5 years with the ugly sweater trend than it did in its prime.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 15:47     Subject: Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just read the chart. 71% of the 32% who had a Christmas tree had a non Jewish spouse.


No, that is not what the table says. Overall, 32% of all people who identified as Jewish (by religion or of no religion) had a Christmas tree. 27% of people who identified as Jews by religion had a Christmas tree (we do not know their marital/relationship status). 51% of people who identified as Jews of no religion had a Christmas tree. 35% of people who were married and identified as Jewish (by religion or of no religion) had a Christmas tree. 7% of people who identified as Jewish (by religion or of no religion) and had a Jewish spouse (by religion or of no religion) had a Christmas tree. And so on.


The 71% is a breakdown of the 32%.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 15:42     Subject: Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how an ugly Christmas sweater could have zero to do with Christians and Jesus, what with being an ugly CHRISTMAS sweater.


There are a lot of people on DCUM who claims that Christmas is an American holiday, not a Christian one...


It isn't many people. It is a known fact. 83% of Non-Christians celebrate Christmas in America. Even 34% of Jewish people in American celebrate Christmas. 97% of Christians celebrate Christmas in America.

Put everyone together and 92% of all Americans celebrate Christmas. So it isn't hearsay. They are facts. Only on DCUM do people try and make it out like it is some minority holiday that needs to be hushed hushed all the time.


Americans celebrate Christmas =/= Christmas is an American holiday. That's like saying: Americans wear socks, therefore socks are American clothing.

(And I'd like to see the source of your numbers that 34% of Jews in the US celebrate Christmas, please.)


PEW research Center 2013

About a third of Jews (32%) say they had a Christmas tree in their home last year, including 27% of Jews by religion and 51% of Jews of no religion. Erecting a Christmas tree is especially common among Jews who are married to non-Jews; 71% of this group says they put up a tree last year.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-4-religious-beliefs-and-practices/#combining-judaism-and-other-faiths



Haha - I love when people ask for sources thinking people make things up and then BAM - they shut those snarky "sources please" people right the F up.

It's interesting how sometimes people claim that you can put up a Christmas tree in your home even if you don't celebrate Christmas and then here you're making it clear that if someone put up a tree you consider that they celebrated Christmas. Which is it?
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 15:41     Subject: Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
Anonymous wrote:Just read the chart. 71% of the 32% who had a Christmas tree had a non Jewish spouse.


No, that is not what the table says. Overall, 32% of all people who identified as Jewish (by religion or of no religion) had a Christmas tree. 27% of people who identified as Jews by religion had a Christmas tree (we do not know their marital/relationship status). 51% of people who identified as Jews of no religion had a Christmas tree. 35% of people who were married and identified as Jewish (by religion or of no religion) had a Christmas tree. 7% of people who identified as Jewish (by religion or of no religion) and had a Jewish spouse (by religion or of no religion) had a Christmas tree. And so on.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 15:38     Subject: Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
Anonymous wrote:"Come on, Sally...let's pull out the glitter."

"Why?"

"Because you need to make an ugly Christmas sweater for school tomorrow."

"Why?"

"I don't know...apparently someone in the office or the PTA thought this would be fun for five year olds."

Are you suggesting that OP should make a sweater out of glitter??
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 15:35     Subject: Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
Just read the chart. 71% of the 32% who had a Christmas tree had a non Jewish spouse.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 15:33     Subject: Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
People who marry into Judaism often retain Christmas. It's hard to let go of Christmas even if you dont otherwise celebrate Christian holidays. This doesn't mean that religious Jews celebrate Christmas.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 13:22     Subject: Re:Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
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Anonymous wrote:^ That data is sad. I think people should follow their religion. I'm not Jewish.


I think people should be free to celebrate however they choose. Lots of Jews (like my husband) marry non-Jews. O
Of course. I believe in free will. People should be whatever faith they believe, but then stick too it. I don't understand the mishmash. I don't do anything with Jewish holidays because that's not my faith and I never will even if I liked the "spirit" of the holiday.


It is typical for people married to non Jews to celebrate Christmas. How do we know that the 32% of Jews overall who celebrate Christmas aren't mainly people who fall into the 71% of Jews married to non-Jews who celebrate Christmas?


Because if you read the article and looked at it, those 32 percent are religious Jews who are either NOT married or married into their Jewish faith. Most of them are on the younger side (20-40's)

The whole point is that Christmas in America is very much a secular holiday. Many families celebrate it without adding religion to it.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 13:10     Subject: Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
We should ban all ugly sweaters. Don't want to offend anyone.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 13:09     Subject: Re:Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^ That data is sad. I think people should follow their religion. I'm not Jewish.


I think people should be free to celebrate however they choose. Lots of Jews (like my husband) marry non-Jews. O
Of course. I believe in free will. People should be whatever faith they believe, but then stick too it. I don't understand the mishmash. I don't do anything with Jewish holidays because that's not my faith and I never will even if I liked the "spirit" of the holiday.


Well you sound delightful!

I'm catholic and married to a jew. Our kids are officially catholic, but we have an interfaith approach to life. We celebrate Jewish holidays with our in-laws. We light a menorah for Hanukkah and we have a Christmas tree. What do you think we should be doing, pp? Why do you even care?
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 12:00     Subject: Re:Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^ That data is sad. I think people should follow their religion. I'm not Jewish.


If people should follow their religion, what religion should Jews of no religion follow?

Doesn't make sense to celebrate Christmas.


Does it make sense for non-Jews of no religion to celebrate Christmas? Or should only religious Christians celebrate Christmas?
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 11:28     Subject: Re:Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^ That data is sad. I think people should follow their religion. I'm not Jewish.


I think people should be free to celebrate however they choose. Lots of Jews (like my husband) marry non-Jews. O
Of course. I believe in free will. People should be whatever faith they believe, but then stick too it. I don't understand the mishmash. I don't do anything with Jewish holidays because that's not my faith and I never will even if I liked the "spirit" of the holiday.


It is typical for people married to non Jews to celebrate Christmas. How do we know that the 32% of Jews overall who celebrate Christmas aren't mainly people who fall into the 71% of Jews married to non-Jews who celebrate Christmas?
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 11:27     Subject: Re:Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^ That data is sad. I think people should follow their religion. I'm not Jewish.


I think people should be free to celebrate however they choose. Lots of Jews (like my husband) marry non-Jews. O
Of course. I believe in free will. People should be whatever faith they believe, but then stick too it. I don't understand the mishmash. I don't do anything with Jewish holidays because that's not my faith and I never will even if I liked the "spirit" of the holiday.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2015 11:19     Subject: Is your mcps school celebrating national ugly Christmas sweater day this Friday?
My daughter is doing it at her high school. There are plenty of ugly sweaters that aren't Christmas related. Get a grip people. Lighten up and have some fun.