Anonymous
11/20/2015 13:59
Subject: Re:Here is what I don't understand about the Syrian refuge bill
Your question sounds like sanctimonious preening dressed up in the sort of package designed to win plaudits from the in crowd.
Anonymous
11/20/2015 12:49
Subject: Re:Here is what I don't understand about the Syrian refuge bill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So let's act like the United States and encourage assimilation instead of acting like France and marginalizing whole groups of people based on ethnicity.Anonymous wrote:The biggest difference being - when other minority groups have trouble assimilating, they don't wage holy war on their host nation.
Please explain what you mean by assimilation. Because I don't think France is marginalizing anybody. France is as liberal as they get, they are governed by socialists for crying out loud.
People form ethnic clusters for natural reasons. My best friends share my ethnic background. We speak the same language, we grew up in similar environments, there are way too many things we have in common. I will never have these relationships with American-born people, because we will always remain different. There is absolutely nothing you can do to change that. It is neither good, nor bad, it is just the reality of multiculturalism.
This is no justification for terrorism, but France is famously terrible at assimilating immigrants. They created perfect breeding grounds for disaffected young men.
Muslima
11/20/2015 10:59
Subject: Here is what I don't understand about the Syrian refuge bill
Retweeted Daniel Lin (@DLin71):
What we know about Paris terrorists
-Not Syrian
-Not refugees
-No encryption
What the US is focusing on
-Syrians
-Refugees
-Encryption
What we know about Paris terrorists
-Not Syrian
-Not refugees
-No encryption
What the US is focusing on
-Syrians
-Refugees
-Encryption
Anonymous
11/19/2015 22:56
Subject: Re:Here is what I don't understand about the Syrian refuge bill
Anonymous wrote:I'm waiting to hear officially how the refugees will be vetted or investigated. What is the standard for letting them live here or not? More information would be helpful.
Having said that, I would prefer not spending our limited resources on investigating, immigrating, and financially supporting the refugees. I see how much our nation needs to spend its money elsewhere, for example, on our own citizens who are suffering from lack of opportunities. Heck, I'd like to have better roads and schools and cleaner air and water. I'm sure you can think of a few things you'd like the government to improve your lives.
The same as other refugees. The information is out there.
Yes, Syria's state of disarray makes matters more complicated and some records are lost or unavailable. There are lots of methods of verification, there's a reason the process takes years. And the refugees who are willing to live in a camp for years in order to emigrate to a new country for a better life are willing to assimilate and conform to their new country.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 22:54
Subject: Here is what I don't understand about the Syrian refuge bill
Anonymous wrote:These terrorists are not really religiously motivated. The French and Belgian born terrorists were punks and criminals who joined for the justification of psychopathic behavior, not to be better Muslims.
There are many, many Muslims who have assimilated throughout the U.S. and Europe who are no threat to anyone. I work with three Muslims of Pakistani and Afghan descent and to me they are Americans. They are just as bewildered and disturbed by terrorist acts as any of you.
Some of them really are.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 22:54
Subject: Re:Here is what I don't understand about the Syrian refuge bill
I'm waiting to hear officially how the refugees will be vetted or investigated. What is the standard for letting them live here or not? More information would be helpful.
Having said that, I would prefer not spending our limited resources on investigating, immigrating, and financially supporting the refugees. I see how much our nation needs to spend its money elsewhere, for example, on our own citizens who are suffering from lack of opportunities. Heck, I'd like to have better roads and schools and cleaner air and water. I'm sure you can think of a few things you'd like the government to improve your lives.
Having said that, I would prefer not spending our limited resources on investigating, immigrating, and financially supporting the refugees. I see how much our nation needs to spend its money elsewhere, for example, on our own citizens who are suffering from lack of opportunities. Heck, I'd like to have better roads and schools and cleaner air and water. I'm sure you can think of a few things you'd like the government to improve your lives.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 22:52
Subject: Here is what I don't understand about the Syrian refuge bill
These terrorists are not really religiously motivated. The French and Belgian born terrorists were punks and criminals who joined for the justification of psychopathic behavior, not to be better Muslims.
There are many, many Muslims who have assimilated throughout the U.S. and Europe who are no threat to anyone. I work with three Muslims of Pakistani and Afghan descent and to me they are Americans. They are just as bewildered and disturbed by terrorist acts as any of you.
There are many, many Muslims who have assimilated throughout the U.S. and Europe who are no threat to anyone. I work with three Muslims of Pakistani and Afghan descent and to me they are Americans. They are just as bewildered and disturbed by terrorist acts as any of you.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 22:36
Subject: Re:Here is what I don't understand about the Syrian refuge bill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So let's act like the United States and encourage assimilation instead of acting like France and marginalizing whole groups of people based on ethnicity.Anonymous wrote:The biggest difference being - when other minority groups have trouble assimilating, they don't wage holy war on their host nation.
Please explain what you mean by assimilation. Because I don't think France is marginalizing anybody. France is as liberal as they get, they are governed by socialists for crying out loud.
People form ethnic clusters for natural reasons. My best friends share my ethnic background. We speak the same language, we grew up in similar environments, there are way too many things we have in common. I will never have these relationships with American-born people, because we will always remain different. There is absolutely nothing you can do to change that. It is neither good, nor bad, it is just the reality of multiculturalism.
What you may "think" about marginalization of young Muslims in France is irrelevant. It's a matter of whether a ethnic or religious group perceives itself as being marginalized. Of course, there are verifiable objective metrics for things like unemployment, crime and incarceration rates. I would suggest reading one of the many articles written about North African immigrants and their children and grandchildren who live in HLM (rent-controlled public housing) in the poorest banlieue of cities like Paris, Lyon and Marseilles.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 21:01
Subject: Re:Here is what I don't understand about the Syrian refuge bill
Anonymous wrote:So let's act like the United States and encourage assimilation instead of acting like France and marginalizing whole groups of people based on ethnicity.Anonymous wrote:The biggest difference being - when other minority groups have trouble assimilating, they don't wage holy war on their host nation.
Please explain what you mean by assimilation. Because I don't think France is marginalizing anybody. France is as liberal as they get, they are governed by socialists for crying out loud.
People form ethnic clusters for natural reasons. My best friends share my ethnic background. We speak the same language, we grew up in similar environments, there are way too many things we have in common. I will never have these relationships with American-born people, because we will always remain different. There is absolutely nothing you can do to change that. It is neither good, nor bad, it is just the reality of multiculturalism.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 20:59
Subject: Re:Here is what I don't understand about the Syrian refuge bill
Anonymous wrote:So let's act like the United States and encourage assimilation instead of acting like France and marginalizing whole groups of people based on ethnicity.Anonymous wrote:The biggest difference being - when other minority groups have trouble assimilating, they don't wage holy war on their host nation.
Or you could avoid the risk of letting people in who have the potential for waging holy war in the first place. We have plenty of potentially problematic people here, no need to add to that number by importing extra.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 20:58
Subject: Re:Here is what I don't understand about the Syrian refuge bill
Anonymous wrote:So let's act like the United States and encourage assimilation instead of acting like France and marginalizing whole groups of people based on ethnicity.Anonymous wrote:The biggest difference being - when other minority groups have trouble assimilating, they don't wage holy war on their host nation.
It's not about assimilation. It's about conquer.