Anonymous wrote:If Middle Easterns aren't happy that they might get singled out possibly to be on the safe side, then they can move back to the Middle East. I much rather pull a few people off a plane here and there and hurt their feelings, than miss something or afraid to ruffle feathers (like Egypt) and have the plane blow up. If people of Middle East decent can not understand that, then too bad. Go back home. We need to keep our country safe.

I think the same logic should be applied to southern white males who could potentially be planning to shoot up a black church.

Anonymous wrote:If Middle Easterns aren't happy that they might get singled out possibly to be on the safe side, then they can move back to the Middle East. I much rather pull a few people off a plane here and there and hurt their feelings, than miss something or afraid to ruffle feathers (like Egypt) and have the plane blow up. If people of Middle East decent can not understand that, then too bad. Go back home. We need to keep our country safe.

Uh, ok, but experts have cautioned that attackers could be a profile that would not fit preexisting stereotypes.

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Anonymous wrote:see something, say something, so long as it's reasonable. That should be the rule. Or see something, mentally indulge stereotypes, think about it, take a pass, and wait for someone else to say something.

If "something" is all young men with dark skin and Semitic looks reading the news on a smart phone, then this country is going to come to a grinding halt while we run around like headless scared chickens and the actual terrorists make their plans. Racial profiling is not only racist but is also doesn't work to protect us.

No need to rant. Was there an audible video that the nervous passenger heard? Don't know. Not saying that that would have been a reasonable concern, either. She brought it to the flight attendant's attention, protocol seemingly was followed, and that's that. Whether a lawsuit should or could follow, well, we'll see.

If Middle Easterns aren't happy that they might get singled out possibly to be on the safe side, then they can move back to the Middle East. I much rather pull a few people off a plane here and there and hurt their feelings, than miss something or afraid to ruffle feathers (like Egypt) and have the plane blow up. If people of Middle East decent can not understand that, then too bad. Go back home. We need to keep our country safe.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, not one step forward to protect us against school/theater shooters.

Exactly what do you suggest??

not pp, but gun control would be a nice start

That didn't help Paris much did it.

Good thing our borders aren't so porous.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/paris-attacks-highlight-frances-gun-control-problems

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, not one step forward to protect us against school/theater shooters.

Exactly what do you suggest??

not pp, but gun control would be a nice start

That didn't help Paris much did it.

Anonymous wrote:Frankly, instead of the nearly entirely useless "if you see something...," I wish they would give some specific examples of wat to look for. Other than unattended packages, that is. What behaviors are we to look for?

Here's one: someone yelling out "Allah Akbar" while brandishing a Kalishnikov rifle.

Frankly, instead of the nearly entirely useless "if you see something...," I wish they would give some specific examples of wat to look for. Other than unattended packages, that is. What behaviors are we to look for?

Anonymous wrote:see something, say something, so long as it's reasonable. That should be the rule. Or see something, mentally indulge stereotypes, think about it, take a pass, and wait for someone else to say something.

If "something" is all young men with dark skin and Semitic looks reading the news on a smart phone, then this country is going to come to a grinding halt while we run around like headless scared chickens and the actual terrorists make their plans. Racial profiling is not only racist but is also doesn't work to protect us.

Anonymous wrote:Acting suspiciously? Like not eating a ham sandwich? Or saying a prayer? Imagine if they started pulling young white men off of planes because they're more likely to engage in mass shootings?

What you are proposing sounds more like a blanket prohibition.

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jsteele wrote:http://wjla.com/news/local/several-people-removed-from-spirit-airlines-flight-at-bwi

Several people were removed from Spirit Airlines flight NK969 after the plane was called back to the gate while taxiing off Tuesday morning, according to ABC7 reporter Suzanne Kennedy, who was on the flight. The flight was scheduled to leave from BWI to Chicago.

According to Kennedy, four passengers were initially removed from the flight, three males and one woman. They reportedly had several backpacks and appeared to be in their early 30's and of middle eastern descent.

Three additional passengers were subsequently called out from the loud speaker and removed from the plane.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/passengers-removed-spirit-airlines-flight-suspicious-activity/story?id=35253575

The spokesman said the "suspicious activity" involved one of the male passengers viewing a news report on his smartphone. All four of the passengers were "very cooperative," according to the MTA spokesperson, and have been released.

We have become a nation of pants wetters. If you are of "middle eastern descent" (which I am on one side of my family), I suggest cancelling any planned flights for a while.

OP, I think you are a complete tool. Hyper-vigilance and profiling is expected after Paris. These things are going to happen, and honestly I rather err on the side of extra safety than regret. Look at Germany, terrorists just tried to blow up a full stadium, where the prime minister was going to be.

We should start searching every vehicle which drives into DC. You can't be too hypervigilent.

When in doubt report it and the authorities will make the call as to detain the offenders

see something, say something, so long as it's reasonable. That should be the rule. Or see something, mentally indulge stereotypes, think about it, take a pass, and wait for someone else to say something.

Acting suspiciously? Like not eating a ham sandwich? Or saying a prayer? Imagine if they started pulling young white men off of planes because they're more likely to engage in mass shootings?

[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]Ok, sorry about the tool comment, that was uncalled for. It's just that I understand people feeling on edge, don't you? There are moments that something feels off, it has happened to many people. What if this was a well meant report? What if something had happened and the person had not reported it? Yes, hyper vigilance can be a pain, and it can lead to mostly false reports, but if it saves one live, I think it is tolerable.[/quote]

You accept this as tolerable because you can't imagine yourself being on the receiving end of it. If you were the one pulled off a plane because you watched a news report on your phone, I suspect your attitude would be different. I get that there are paranoid individuals out there and I think the airline is just as responsible in this case. If a passenger was scared, they should have changed her flight rather than pulling off four innocent people. [/quote]


Then you will be very surprised that it has happened about 10 times to my husband (a frequent flyer) and I was with him a few of those times. He is not middle eastern, but our last name is the same as a well known trafficker. We have been pulled out of line, searched, our belongings ripped opened with a blade, we have missed so many connections. And every time my husband calmly explains the issue, they look at their computer screens, say, oh, I see now and then we can go. We get it, though, it sucks, but we get why it is better to be safe than sorry.