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Anonymous wrote:A couple of years ago I took DC to visit a school in a suburb in Massachusetts. We got lost so I asked a police officer for directions. He said ".......then you go down to the "yad" and turn right. I thanked him but was thinking what the hell is a 'yad' and assumed it was a street. Stopping again to get directions, another individual said ".....go down to the YARD and make a right."

Some is mispronunciation. Other IS dialect. Would you crucify the police officer for mispronunication or credit it to dialect?

It is association. When people in DC hear "Hahvahd Yahd" they are likely to think of JFK. When they hear "axe" they may think of Marion Barry.

Anonymous wrote:My principal says, "Ax" instead of "Ask." It used to make me cringe but when I think about it, I have to applaud her. I don't know her childhood background but she went to Harvard. It's not like anyone can say anything to her.

Anonymous wrote:A couple of years ago I took DC to visit a school in a suburb in Massachusetts. We got lost so I asked a police officer for directions. He said ".......then you go down to the "yad" and turn right. I thanked him but was thinking what the hell is a 'yad' and assumed it was a street. Stopping again to get directions, another individual said ".....go down to the YARD and make a right."

Some is mispronunciation. Other IS dialect. Would you crucify the police officer for mispronunication or credit it to dialect?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes you racist and little ignorant. Do you care that a teacher from Boston does not pronounce their r's? No. Because when white people don't pronounce things correctly it is cute when black people do it, you think they are uneducated.

Not the pp but that's just not the case--poor grammar is poor grammar. When my southern in laws say fixin or the something akin to that it drives me nuts! It's not a race thing but it may be a class thing. Other things I can't stand: "alls I'm saying," "where you at?,", I could care less," etc.

I have absolutely no issue when my southern people say 'let me fix you a messin' of biscuits.'

My response is 'hell, yeah, bring me a messin' of those biscuits with some honey! What is with you PP? Not everyone speaks in your dialect. Not talking about poor grammar here but the vernacular of the region. Get over yourself!

It just sounds ignorant. I think southern accents or beautiful but that doesn't mean that anything southern is ok if it's just grammatically incorrect. Obviously not all agree--I also don't like "you's guys." Do you? If you don't or if you take issue with other speech I guess you need to "get over yourself." Geez so intolerant.

Respectfully, I don't think those people give a sh!t what you think since you're not contributing nothing to their well-being. Truly.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes you racist and little ignorant. Do you care that a teacher from Boston does not pronounce their r's? No. Because when white people don't pronounce things correctly it is cute when black people do it, you think they are uneducated.

Not the pp but that's just not the case--poor grammar is poor grammar. When my southern in laws say fixin or the something akin to that it drives me nuts! It's not a race thing but it may be a class thing. Other things I can't stand: "alls I'm saying," "where you at?,", I could care less," etc.

I have absolutely no issue when my southern people say 'let me fix you a messin' of biscuits.'

My response is 'hell, yeah, bring me a messin' of those biscuits with some honey! What is with you PP? Not everyone speaks in your dialect. Not talking about poor grammar here but the vernacular of the region. Get over yourself!

It just sounds ignorant. I think southern accents or beautiful but that doesn't mean that anything southern is ok if it's just grammatically incorrect. Obviously not all agree--I also don't like "you's guys." Do you? If you don't or if you take issue with other speech I guess you need to "get over yourself." Geez so intolerant.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes you racist and little ignorant. Do you care that a teacher from Boston does not pronounce their r's? No. Because when white people don't pronounce things correctly it is cute when black people do it, you think they are uneducated.

Not the pp but that's just not the case--poor grammar is poor grammar. When my southern in laws say fixin or the something akin to that it drives me nuts! It's not a race thing but it may be a class thing. Other things I can't stand: "alls I'm saying," "where you at?,", I could care less," etc.

I have absolutely no issue when my southern people say 'let me fix you a messin' of biscuits.'

My response is 'hell, yeah, bring me a messin' of those biscuits with some honey! What is with you PP? Not everyone speaks in your dialect. Not talking about poor grammar here but the vernacular of the region. Get over yourself!

It just sounds ignorant. I think southern accents or beautiful but that doesn't mean that anything southern is ok if it's just grammatically incorrect. Obviously not all agree--I also don't like "you's guys." Do you? If you don't or if you take issue with other speech I guess you need to "get over yourself." Geez so intolerant.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes you racist and little ignorant. Do you care that a teacher from Boston does not pronounce their r's? No. Because when white people don't pronounce things correctly it is cute when black people do it, you think they are uneducated.

Not the pp but that's just not the case--poor grammar is poor grammar. When my southern in laws say fixin or the something akin to that it drives me nuts! It's not a race thing but it may be a class thing. Other things I can't stand: "alls I'm saying," "where you at?,", I could care less," etc.

I have absolutely no issue when my southern people say 'let me fix you a messin' of biscuits.'

My response is 'hell, yeah, bring me a messin' of those biscuits with some honey! What is with you PP? Not everyone speaks in your dialect. Not talking about poor grammar here but the vernacular of the region. Get over yourself!

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard rich, white folks use conversate, orientate, irregardless, could care less, etc etc.

AX is just a dialect. May not be awesome, but no worse than "warsh" (Baltimore), Birfday" (my upper PA in laws say this), or whatever. Really. You KNOW your kid is not going to come home saying "ax," so the only reason it bothers you is because...actually, I don't know why.

You idiot. "orientate" "irregardless" and "could care less" are all 100% grammatically correct.

Oriented. Regardless (the other only RECENTLY accepted due to rampant use). Could care less isn't what you use when you are saying that you CouldN'T care less.

Do you want to try writing that out again, in English this time?

Different poster. She/he is speaking English. I think you just find it sucks to be wrong.

And ANYBODY who has bothered to study linguistics, and not their own biases, knows that ax/ask is a dialect. And I posted this in the last thread--unless you say Feb-roo-ary, you are saying it wrong. And words like often can be pronounced multiple ways. It is language, not a learning disability as another ignorant poster said.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard rich, white folks use conversate, orientate, irregardless, could care less, etc etc.

AX is just a dialect. May not be awesome, but no worse than "warsh" (Baltimore), Birfday" (my upper PA in laws say this), or whatever. Really. You KNOW your kid is not going to come home saying "ax," so the only reason it bothers you is because...actually, I don't know why.

False equivalence. Ax is not a dialect or an accent. It is a mispronunciation of word, which reveals either a lack of education or some kind of learning disability. The white people who use the words you listed above are revealing a lack of education. Not sure how that aided your argument. All you're really saying is that there are also uneducated whites (or whites who are uneducated on the use of those words).

I grew up in the 1980s in a public school system that was 100% white. There were kids in my school who said ax instead of ask (if white kids in my lily-white town use it, how could it be a black dialect?). Those kids, more often than not, landed in the remedial program, and were certainly not the high performers when high school came around.

The true racists on this board are the apologists chalking up the use of ax as a black dialect, as if no one should expect blacks to be educated enough to know the difference. Sorry folks, but holding the black teacher to a lower standard is racist.

Pot meet kettle! You are the ignorant one ... educated yourself on the history of the pronunciation.

Nonsense. The Chaucer story is far from compelling.

+1. The bolded is absolutely not true. Google is your friend on this.

Nonsense. The Chaucer story is far from compelling.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes you racist and little ignorant. Do you care that a teacher from Boston does not pronounce their r's? No. Because when white people don't pronounce things correctly it is cute when black people do it, you think they are uneducated.

Not the pp but that's just not the case--poor grammar is poor grammar. When my southern in laws say fixin or the something akin to that it drives me nuts! It's not a race thing but it may be a class thing. Other things I can't stand: "alls I'm saying," "where you at?,", I could care less," etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard rich, white folks use conversate, orientate, irregardless, could care less, etc etc.

AX is just a dialect. May not be awesome, but no worse than "warsh" (Baltimore), Birfday" (my upper PA in laws say this), or whatever. Really. You KNOW your kid is not going to come home saying "ax," so the only reason it bothers you is because...actually, I don't know why.

You idiot. "orientate" "irregardless" and "could care less" are all 100% grammatically correct.

Oriented. Regardless (the other only RECENTLY accepted due to rampant use). Could care less isn't what you use when you are saying that you CouldN'T care less.

Do you want to try writing that out again, in English this time?