Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 19:30     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

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Anonymous wrote:Another POV: http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/11/01/van-alst-coddling-white-privilege-silencing-people-color-162287


additionally: https://medium.com/@aaronzlewis/what-s-really-going-on-at-yale-6bdbbeeb57a6


Sorry. The above article still does not justify the overbearing reaction to a school advisor that just wrote suggesting that people can police their own costumes. I read that e-mail and still do not find anything offensive about it. It does not justify yelling or getting aggressive or getting all up in an administrator's space. It does not justify saying that college is not an intellectual space but a safe space.

there are ways of showing resistance that does not show the facist tendencies, intolerance and bullying these college students have demonstrated. I for one would not be hiring any of the students that signed their names in the petition if their resumes ever came by my desk.


You don't think your own statement shows fascist tendencies, intolerance and bullying? One woman screams an obscenity at a faculty member in the course of a heated discussion about the role of house masters and therefore anyone who signed an open letter to his wife/co-master explaining why her email re Halloween costumes was so problematic should be blackballed from future employment?


Apples to oranges.

The professor's wife wrote an e-mail asking for students to self police themselves during Halloween. Anyhow I read it the e-mail was reasonable and not disrespectful. The reaction has been screaming, bullying, aggressive behavior, whining, spitting, calling for the professor to resign.

I see this behavior and I think twice about employing such a person that could display this kind of disrespectful behavior. There are consequences to actions and it works both ways.


Yet the people who signed the petition didn't scream at the professor, but those are the names PP claims to be looking for on resumes.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 19:22     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

It makes you feel unsafe generally when the co-master sends an email to everyone in your house (aka dorm) saying that the email from the Dean suggesting that, in choosing Halloween costumes, students should consider whether some choices might be seen as disrespectful of or hurtful to other members of the community seems out of line to her and that college should be a "safe space" for kids to be "obnoxious" and even "offensive" and that Halloween is a time for subversion of adult authority.

Basically, she's framing a "think of others before you decide how to exercise your freedom of expression" statement from the school as oppressive and infantalizing.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 19:13     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another POV: http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/11/01/van-alst-coddling-white-privilege-silencing-people-color-162287


additionally: https://medium.com/@aaronzlewis/what-s-really-going-on-at-yale-6bdbbeeb57a6


Sorry. The above article still does not justify the overbearing reaction to a school advisor that just wrote suggesting that people can police their own costumes. I read that e-mail and still do not find anything offensive about it. It does not justify yelling or getting aggressive or getting all up in an administrator's space. It does not justify saying that college is not an intellectual space but a safe space.

there are ways of showing resistance that does not show the facist tendencies, intolerance and bullying these college students have demonstrated. I for one would not be hiring any of the students that signed their names in the petition if their resumes ever came by my desk.


You don't think your own statement shows fascist tendencies, intolerance and bullying? One woman screams an obscenity at a faculty member in the course of a heated discussion about the role of house masters and therefore anyone who signed an open letter to his wife/co-master explaining why her email re Halloween costumes was so problematic should be blackballed from future employment?


Apples to oranges.

The professor's wife wrote an e-mail asking for students to self police themselves during Halloween. Anyhow I read it the e-mail was reasonable and not disrespectful. The reaction has been screaming, bullying, aggressive behavior, whining, spitting, calling for the professor to resign.

I see this behavior and I think twice about employing such a person that could display this kind of disrespectful behavior. There are consequences to actions and it works both ways.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 19:09     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

Anonymous wrote:I think there is more to the story. I bet this video was edited.


I think you will be disappointed.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 18:54     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another POV: http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/11/01/van-alst-coddling-white-privilege-silencing-people-color-162287


additionally: https://medium.com/@aaronzlewis/what-s-really-going-on-at-yale-6bdbbeeb57a6


Sorry. The above article still does not justify the overbearing reaction to a school advisor that just wrote suggesting that people can police their own costumes. I read that e-mail and still do not find anything offensive about it. It does not justify yelling or getting aggressive or getting all up in an administrator's space. It does not justify saying that college is not an intellectual space but a safe space.

there are ways of showing resistance that does not show the facist tendencies, intolerance and bullying these college students have demonstrated. I for one would not be hiring any of the students that signed their names in the petition if their resumes ever came by my desk.


Lots of allegations of "systemic racism" in that piece with nothing to back it up other than a black woman supposedly being turned away from a white boy frat party. That might make you feel unwelcome at the next white boy frat party, but how does it make you feel unwelcome on campus generally, much less unsafe. Seems like some hysteria taking hold among some privileged minority students who don't really know what to do with the situation - if they do anything other than express total support for the "victim" or do anything other than write articles and posts decrying the "systemic racism," they become sell-outs. Kind of like the feminists during the Jackie debacle at U.Va.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 18:46     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another POV: http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/11/01/van-alst-coddling-white-privilege-silencing-people-color-162287


additionally: https://medium.com/@aaronzlewis/what-s-really-going-on-at-yale-6bdbbeeb57a6


Sorry. The above article still does not justify the overbearing reaction to a school advisor that just wrote suggesting that people can police their own costumes. I read that e-mail and still do not find anything offensive about it. It does not justify yelling or getting aggressive or getting all up in an administrator's space. It does not justify saying that college is not an intellectual space but a safe space.

there are ways of showing resistance that does not show the facist tendencies, intolerance and bullying these college students have demonstrated. I for one would not be hiring any of the students that signed their names in the petition if their resumes ever came by my desk.


You don't think your own statement shows fascist tendencies, intolerance and bullying? One woman screams an obscenity at a faculty member in the course of a heated discussion about the role of house masters and therefore anyone who signed an open letter to his wife/co-master explaining why her email re Halloween costumes was so problematic should be blackballed from future employment?
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 18:19     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

A subsequent campus story reported that 100 students last week rallied outside of a forum on freedom on speech by a conservative group -- one went inside to disrupt it and was arrested -- others outside reportedly actually spat on people as they exited the forum. Alums should be contacting the school to tell them they cannot by silence condone such aggressive tactics. The school can work on any legitimate complaints without having to turn a blind eye to unacceptable behavior.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 18:13     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

The screaming student summed it up well we she said it is not about creating an intellectually safe environment at Yale, it is about creating a home. And that, fundamentally, is the perception problem. Colleges gave up being in loco parentis many decades ago. They are not about creating a home for every student to mimic his/her own home -- it is impossible. And if it were possible, it would only perpetuate differences and wholly defeat the very objective of having a diverse community. Colleges should be first and foremost academic places of learning, debate, examination -- that is the home at which all students should feel comfortable. Student who reject that do not belong on campus. They can attend a commuter school.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 17:57     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

I think there is more to the story. I bet this video was edited.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 17:45     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another POV: http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/11/01/van-alst-coddling-white-privilege-silencing-people-color-162287


additionally: https://medium.com/@aaronzlewis/what-s-really-going-on-at-yale-6bdbbeeb57a6


Sorry. The above article still does not justify the overbearing reaction to a school advisor that just wrote suggesting that people can police their own costumes. I read that e-mail and still do not find anything offensive about it. It does not justify yelling or getting aggressive or getting all up in an administrator's space. It does not justify saying that college is not an intellectual space but a safe space.

there are ways of showing resistance that does not show the facist tendencies, intolerance and bullying these college students have demonstrated. I for one would not be hiring any of the students that signed their names in the petition if their resumes ever came by my desk.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 17:44     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

The students in the background seem to all be walking away and leaving the situation. This tells me that she wasn't representing the overall sentiment of and her peers.The student body could see she was being rude and not effectively expressing the issues. Not well handled by the student and Yale needs to provide her with some sort of communications counseling or tell her she is free to leave the school.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 16:55     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

It's always been...what's PC changes
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2015 16:38     Subject: Has Yale Become a PC Joke?

The problem is actually worse than reflected above, and it is rapidly escalating on campus this fall. Unfortunately, a very loud minority of students have seized on some legitimate areas for engagement, and used them to try to justify outright hostile activities toward other students and administrators who fail -- in these students' minds -- to take actions in response to other allegations that have not been substantiated. The hostility and intimidation tactics aimed at any with dissenting points of view is disturbing not only at Yale, but many other campuses as well. Contrarian views are not met with reasoned discourse, but with distortion followed by attack and labeling as racists or Uncle Toms. Sadly, if the school administrators do not step in to draw lines, escalation to violence does not seem far off. Some of these protesting students don't seem to have any sense of priorities or proportionality in responses.


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