Anonymous wrote:Does it count if Obama himself said he is a Muslim ?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, he's not entirely wrong. We do have a problem with Muslim extremists, and they do have training camps, and they do want to kill us. I'm not aware of Mormons training to do that, but I could have missed it.

I don't think he said "regardless of their legal staus." Where are you getting that from, Jeff?

Also, could you address the Reverend Wright parallel?

The guy didn't say we have a problem with Muslim extremists. He said we have a problem with Muslims. Where are there training camps in this country? The guy explicitly said the problem was in this country.

Every aspect of that guy's statement was wrong and Trump said he is going to look into it. What exactly is he going to look into?

Regarding Reverend Wright, Obama said he was not in church when the controversial statements were made. I've never seen proof that Obama in fact heard those statements. It is quite obvious that Trump heard the statements about Muslims.

But, since you are so into comparing these two situation and you obviously condemn Wright, do you think Trump should have rebuked this guy?

Somewhat. As someone with increasingly Libertarian leanings, I bristle at the idea that political candidates should be in the business of "rebuking" the free speech of the voters. I'm certainly no fan of Trump, and a candidate more reasoned and gracious than he might have prefaced his response with something like "I don't believe that's true about the President's religious faith, and I want to point out that our problem is with Muslim extremists, but to address your concerns about terrorism, I'd like to say..."

Libertarianism is a completely antisocial political philosophy and is complete bullshit.

You really know fuck-all about Libertarians, don't you?

I do more volunteer work as a Libertarian - I don't believe in government taking care of people - than most SJWs I know.

You know fuck all about the situation here, and you quite evidently also know jack shit about libertarianism.
People calling someone out for speaking utter bullshit has absolutely zilch to do with the government.

You have the freedom to babble moronic falsehoods about the President not being American and being a Muslim and I have the freedom to call you a lying, delusional dumbass. That is not censorship, it is free speech for all parties. Can't possibly get any more free and libertarian than that.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, he's not entirely wrong. We do have a problem with Muslim extremists, and they do have training camps, and they do want to kill us. I'm not aware of Mormons training to do that, but I could have missed it.

I don't think he said "regardless of their legal staus." Where are you getting that from, Jeff?

Also, could you address the Reverend Wright parallel?

The guy didn't say we have a problem with Muslim extremists. He said we have a problem with Muslims. Where are there training camps in this country? The guy explicitly said the problem was in this country.

Every aspect of that guy's statement was wrong and Trump said he is going to look into it. What exactly is he going to look into?

Regarding Reverend Wright, Obama said he was not in church when the controversial statements were made. I've never seen proof that Obama in fact heard those statements. It is quite obvious that Trump heard the statements about Muslims.

But, since you are so into comparing these two situation and you obviously condemn Wright, do you think Trump should have rebuked this guy?

Somewhat. As someone with increasingly Libertarian leanings, I bristle at the idea that political candidates should be in the business of "rebuking" the free speech of the voters. I'm certainly no fan of Trump, and a candidate more reasoned and gracious than he might have prefaced his response with something like "I don't believe that's true about the President's religious faith, and I want to point out that our problem is with Muslim extremists, but to address your concerns about terrorism, I'd like to say..."

Libertarianism is a completely antisocial political philosophy and is complete bullshit.

You really know fuck-all about Libertarians, don't you?

I do more volunteer work as a Libertarian - I don't believe in government taking care of people - than most SJWs I know.

You know fuck all about the situation here, and you quite evidently also know jack shit about libertarianism.
People calling someone out for speaking utter bullshit has absolutely zilch to do with the government.

You have the freedom to babble moronic falsehoods about the President not being American and being a Muslim and I have the freedom to call you a lying, delusional dumbass. That is not censorship, it is free speech for all parties. Can't possibly get any more free and libertarian than that.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, he's not entirely wrong. We do have a problem with Muslim extremists, and they do have training camps, and they do want to kill us. I'm not aware of Mormons training to do that, but I could have missed it.

I don't think he said "regardless of their legal staus." Where are you getting that from, Jeff?

Also, could you address the Reverend Wright parallel?

The guy didn't say we have a problem with Muslim extremists. He said we have a problem with Muslims. Where are there training camps in this country? The guy explicitly said the problem was in this country.

Every aspect of that guy's statement was wrong and Trump said he is going to look into it. What exactly is he going to look into?

Regarding Reverend Wright, Obama said he was not in church when the controversial statements were made. I've never seen proof that Obama in fact heard those statements. It is quite obvious that Trump heard the statements about Muslims.

But, since you are so into comparing these two situation and you obviously condemn Wright, do you think Trump should have rebuked this guy?

Somewhat. As someone with increasingly Libertarian leanings, I bristle at the idea that political candidates should be in the business of "rebuking" the free speech of the voters. I'm certainly no fan of Trump, and a candidate more reasoned and gracious than he might have prefaced his response with something like "I don't believe that's true about the President's religious faith, and I want to point out that our problem is with Muslim extremists, but to address your concerns about terrorism, I'd like to say..."

Libertarianism is a completely antisocial political philosophy and is complete bullshit.

You really know fuck-all about Libertarians, don't you?

I do more volunteer work as a Libertarian - I don't believe in government taking care of people - than most SJWs I know.

No, I actually am related to several people who claim to be "libertarian" which is a loose collection of generally antisocial ideas spanning the left-right spectrum, and which in practice in this country seems to attract people who have a problem with social norms and authority in all forms. Individual rights are king, society be damned. Right vs. wrong is all relative depending upon the person's individual beliefs/wants/desires. You cannot run a country of 360M appealing to people who are inherently hostile to government and law and who frequently express confusion between their beliefs and actual facts.

Do you understand the concept of local government?

Yes, I do. But we have a federal government. Don't like it, leave. We also can't run the world's largest economy by leaving all authority in the hands of anti-social, anti-government goobers at the local level.

“They’d rather be alive then free, poor dumb bastards.”
8 Ball in “Apocalypse Now”

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Anonymous wrote:Well, he's not entirely wrong. We do have a problem with Muslim extremists, and they do have training camps, and they do want to kill us. I'm not aware of Mormons training to do that, but I could have missed it.

I don't think he said "regardless of their legal staus." Where are you getting that from, Jeff?

Also, could you address the Reverend Wright parallel?

The guy didn't say we have a problem with Muslim extremists. He said we have a problem with Muslims. Where are there training camps in this country? The guy explicitly said the problem was in this country.

Every aspect of that guy's statement was wrong and Trump said he is going to look into it. What exactly is he going to look into?

Regarding Reverend Wright, Obama said he was not in church when the controversial statements were made. I've never seen proof that Obama in fact heard those statements. It is quite obvious that Trump heard the statements about Muslims.

But, since you are so into comparing these two situation and you obviously condemn Wright, do you think Trump should have rebuked this guy?

Somewhat. As someone with increasingly Libertarian leanings, I bristle at the idea that political candidates should be in the business of "rebuking" the free speech of the voters. I'm certainly no fan of Trump, and a candidate more reasoned and gracious than he might have prefaced his response with something like "I don't believe that's true about the President's religious faith, and I want to point out that our problem is with Muslim extremists, but to address your concerns about terrorism, I'd like to say..."

Libertarianism is a completely antisocial political philosophy and is complete bullshit.

You really know fuck-all about Libertarians, don't you?

I do more volunteer work as a Libertarian - I don't believe in government taking care of people - than most SJWs I know.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is that any candidate's job?

Since men and women were born with decency.

Since candidates have wanted to be seen differently from their racist constituents.

To censor free speech?

I guess to you, someone walking up to young kids repeatedly using the racist n-word in front of them, and telling them to shut up is curtailing their right to free speech.

How is calling Obama a Muslim a derogatory racist comment? Unless you think Muslim people are nasty? If this man thinks Obama's religion is Islam, he's entitled to come to that conclusion. It's not Trump's job to tell him how or what to think. I know that comes as a surprise to liberals though.

Did you listen to what the Trump supporter said? You didn't hear anything offensive?

Yes, I did. How I feel is of no matter. It's not for me to say this man is incorrect, or correct for that matter. The only one who knows his own religious or non-religous heart is Obama himself, so what this man says is of no matter to anyone. If Trump corrected him, he'd be speaking for Obama, and he really should not do that.

Bullshit. Your views are completely amoral. Civil society cannot be amoral. And by the way, some things are actual FACT, including that our President was born in American and a Christian. This man clearly stated that the President is a Muslim (factually not correct) and implied that he is not American (factually not correct). Your argument is a sham.

In truth, Obama is probably more of an agnostic/atheist than either a Christian or a Muslim. He uses religion for political purposes, which is disgusting enough in its own right.

When you point your finger at someone, three point back at you.

What a brilliant, original observation. Maybe you can explain what happens when you "assume" something?

I wasn't assuming anything about you. Merely pointing out the hypocrisy iof bringing this up for Obama when the use of feigned religious piety is ubiquitous among politicians of all stripes.

It was a joke. When you "assume" something you make an "ass out of you and me"

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Anonymous wrote:Well, he's not entirely wrong. We do have a problem with Muslim extremists, and they do have training camps, and they do want to kill us. I'm not aware of Mormons training to do that, but I could have missed it.

I don't think he said "regardless of their legal staus." Where are you getting that from, Jeff?

Also, could you address the Reverend Wright parallel?

The guy didn't say we have a problem with Muslim extremists. He said we have a problem with Muslims. Where are there training camps in this country? The guy explicitly said the problem was in this country.

Every aspect of that guy's statement was wrong and Trump said he is going to look into it. What exactly is he going to look into?

Regarding Reverend Wright, Obama said he was not in church when the controversial statements were made. I've never seen proof that Obama in fact heard those statements. It is quite obvious that Trump heard the statements about Muslims.

But, since you are so into comparing these two situation and you obviously condemn Wright, do you think Trump should have rebuked this guy?

Somewhat. As someone with increasingly Libertarian leanings, I bristle at the idea that political candidates should be in the business of "rebuking" the free speech of the voters. I'm certainly no fan of Trump, and a candidate more reasoned and gracious than he might have prefaced his response with something like "I don't believe that's true about the President's religious faith, and I want to point out that our problem is with Muslim extremists, but to address your concerns about terrorism, I'd like to say..."

Libertarianism is a completely antisocial political philosophy and is complete bullshit.

You really know fuck-all about Libertarians, don't you?

I do more volunteer work as a Libertarian - I don't believe in government taking care of people - than most SJWs I know.

No, I actually am related to several people who claim to be "libertarian" which is a loose collection of generally antisocial ideas spanning the left-right spectrum, and which in practice in this country seems to attract people who have a problem with social norms and authority in all forms. Individual rights are king, society be damned. Right vs. wrong is all relative depending upon the person's individual beliefs/wants/desires. You cannot run a country of 360M appealing to people who are inherently hostile to government and law and who frequently express confusion between their beliefs and actual facts.

Do you understand the concept of local government?

Yes, I do. But we have a federal government. Don't like it, leave. We also can't run the world's largest economy by leaving all authority in the hands of anti-social, anti-government goobers at the local level.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is that any candidate's job?

Since men and women were born with decency.

Since candidates have wanted to be seen differently from their racist constituents.

To censor free speech?

I guess to you, someone walking up to young kids repeatedly using the racist n-word in front of them, and telling them to shut up is curtailing their right to free speech.

How is calling Obama a Muslim a derogatory racist comment? Unless you think Muslim people are nasty? If this man thinks Obama's religion is Islam, he's entitled to come to that conclusion. It's not Trump's job to tell him how or what to think. I know that comes as a surprise to liberals though.

Did you listen to what the Trump supporter said? You didn't hear anything offensive?

Yes, I did. How I feel is of no matter. It's not for me to say this man is incorrect, or correct for that matter. The only one who knows his own religious or non-religous heart is Obama himself, so what this man says is of no matter to anyone. If Trump corrected him, he'd be speaking for Obama, and he really should not do that.

Bullshit. Your views are completely amoral. Civil society cannot be amoral. And by the way, some things are actual FACT, including that our President was born in American and a Christian. This man clearly stated that the President is a Muslim (factually not correct) and implied that he is not American (factually not correct). Your argument is a sham.

In truth, Obama is probably more of an agnostic/atheist than either a Christian or a Muslim. He uses religion for political purposes, which is disgusting enough in its own right.

When you point your finger at someone, three point back at you.

What a brilliant, original observation. Maybe you can explain what happens when you "assume" something?

I wasn't assuming anything about you. Merely pointing out the hypocrisy iof bringing this up for Obama when the use of feigned religious piety is ubiquitous among politicians of all stripes.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is that any candidate's job?

Since men and women were born with decency.

Since candidates have wanted to be seen differently from their racist constituents.

To censor free speech?

I guess to you, someone walking up to young kids repeatedly using the racist n-word in front of them, and telling them to shut up is curtailing their right to free speech.

How is calling Obama a Muslim a derogatory racist comment? Unless you think Muslim people are nasty? If this man thinks Obama's religion is Islam, he's entitled to come to that conclusion. It's not Trump's job to tell him how or what to think. I know that comes as a surprise to liberals though.

Did you listen to what the Trump supporter said? You didn't hear anything offensive?

Yes, I did. How I feel is of no matter. It's not for me to say this man is incorrect, or correct for that matter. The only one who knows his own religious or non-religous heart is Obama himself, so what this man says is of no matter to anyone. If Trump corrected him, he'd be speaking for Obama, and he really should not do that.

Bullshit. Your views are completely amoral. Civil society cannot be amoral. And by the way, some things are actual FACT, including that our President was born in American and a Christian. This man clearly stated that the President is a Muslim (factually not correct) and implied that he is not American (factually not correct). Your argument is a sham.

In truth, Obama is probably more of an agnostic/atheist than either a Christian or a Muslim. He uses religion for political purposes, which is disgusting enough in its own right.

When you point your finger at someone, three point back at you.

What a brilliant, original observation. Maybe you can explain what happens when you "assume" something?

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, he's not entirely wrong. We do have a problem with Muslim extremists, and they do have training camps, and they do want to kill us. I'm not aware of Mormons training to do that, but I could have missed it.

I don't think he said "regardless of their legal staus." Where are you getting that from, Jeff?

Also, could you address the Reverend Wright parallel?

The guy didn't say we have a problem with Muslim extremists. He said we have a problem with Muslims. Where are there training camps in this country? The guy explicitly said the problem was in this country.

Every aspect of that guy's statement was wrong and Trump said he is going to look into it. What exactly is he going to look into?

Regarding Reverend Wright, Obama said he was not in church when the controversial statements were made. I've never seen proof that Obama in fact heard those statements. It is quite obvious that Trump heard the statements about Muslims.

But, since you are so into comparing these two situation and you obviously condemn Wright, do you think Trump should have rebuked this guy?

Somewhat. As someone with increasingly Libertarian leanings, I bristle at the idea that political candidates should be in the business of "rebuking" the free speech of the voters. I'm certainly no fan of Trump, and a candidate more reasoned and gracious than he might have prefaced his response with something like "I don't believe that's true about the President's religious faith, and I want to point out that our problem is with Muslim extremists, but to address your concerns about terrorism, I'd like to say..."

Libertarianism is a completely antisocial political philosophy and is complete bullshit.

You really know fuck-all about Libertarians, don't you?

I do more volunteer work as a Libertarian - I don't believe in government taking care of people - than most SJWs I know.

No, I actually am related to several people who claim to be "libertarian" which is a loose collection of generally antisocial ideas spanning the left-right spectrum, and which in practice in this country seems to attract people who have a problem with social norms and authority in all forms. Individual rights are king, society be damned. Right vs. wrong is all relative depending upon the person's individual beliefs/wants/desires. You cannot run a country of 360M appealing to people who are inherently hostile to government and law and who frequently express confusion between their beliefs and actual facts.

Do you understand the concept of local government?

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is that any candidate's job?

Since men and women were born with decency.

Since candidates have wanted to be seen differently from their racist constituents.

To censor free speech?

I guess to you, someone walking up to young kids repeatedly using the racist n-word in front of them, and telling them to shut up is curtailing their right to free speech.

How is calling Obama a Muslim a derogatory racist comment? Unless you think Muslim people are nasty? If this man thinks Obama's religion is Islam, he's entitled to come to that conclusion. It's not Trump's job to tell him how or what to think. I know that comes as a surprise to liberals though.

Did you listen to what the Trump supporter said? You didn't hear anything offensive?

Yes, I did. How I feel is of no matter. It's not for me to say this man is incorrect, or correct for that matter. The only one who knows his own religious or non-religous heart is Obama himself, so what this man says is of no matter to anyone. If Trump corrected him, he'd be speaking for Obama, and he really should not do that.

Bullshit. Your views are completely amoral. Civil society cannot be amoral. And by the way, some things are actual FACT, including that our President was born in American and a Christian. This man clearly stated that the President is a Muslim (factually not correct) and implied that he is not American (factually not correct). Your argument is a sham.

In truth, Obama is probably more of an agnostic/atheist than either a Christian or a Muslim. He uses religion for political purposes, which is disgusting enough in its own right.

When you point your finger at someone, three point back at you.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, he's not entirely wrong. We do have a problem with Muslim extremists, and they do have training camps, and they do want to kill us. I'm not aware of Mormons training to do that, but I could have missed it.

I don't think he said "regardless of their legal staus." Where are you getting that from, Jeff?

Also, could you address the Reverend Wright parallel?

The guy didn't say we have a problem with Muslim extremists. He said we have a problem with Muslims. Where are there training camps in this country? The guy explicitly said the problem was in this country.

Every aspect of that guy's statement was wrong and Trump said he is going to look into it. What exactly is he going to look into?

Regarding Reverend Wright, Obama said he was not in church when the controversial statements were made. I've never seen proof that Obama in fact heard those statements. It is quite obvious that Trump heard the statements about Muslims.

But, since you are so into comparing these two situation and you obviously condemn Wright, do you think Trump should have rebuked this guy?

Somewhat. As someone with increasingly Libertarian leanings, I bristle at the idea that political candidates should be in the business of "rebuking" the free speech of the voters. I'm certainly no fan of Trump, and a candidate more reasoned and gracious than he might have prefaced his response with something like "I don't believe that's true about the President's religious faith, and I want to point out that our problem is with Muslim extremists, but to address your concerns about terrorism, I'd like to say..."

Libertarianism is a completely antisocial political philosophy and is complete bullshit.

You really know fuck-all about Libertarians, don't you?

I do more volunteer work as a Libertarian - I don't believe in government taking care of people - than most SJWs I know.

No, I actually am related to several people who claim to be "libertarian" which is a loose collection of generally antisocial ideas spanning the left-right spectrum, and which in practice in this country seems to attract people who have a problem with social norms and authority in all forms. Individual rights are king, society be damned. Right vs. wrong is all relative depending upon the person's individual beliefs/wants/desires. You cannot run a country of 360M appealing to people who are inherently hostile to government and law and who frequently express confusion between their beliefs and actual facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is that any candidate's job?

Since men and women were born with decency.

Since candidates have wanted to be seen differently from their racist constituents.

To censor free speech?

I guess to you, someone walking up to young kids repeatedly using the racist n-word in front of them, and telling them to shut up is curtailing their right to free speech.

How is calling Obama a Muslim a derogatory racist comment? Unless you think Muslim people are nasty? If this man thinks Obama's religion is Islam, he's entitled to come to that conclusion. It's not Trump's job to tell him how or what to think. I know that comes as a surprise to liberals though.

Did you listen to what the Trump supporter said? You didn't hear anything offensive?

Yes, I did. How I feel is of no matter. It's not for me to say this man is incorrect, or correct for that matter. The only one who knows his own religious or non-religous heart is Obama himself, so what this man says is of no matter to anyone. If Trump corrected him, he'd be speaking for Obama, and he really should not do that.

Bullshit. Your views are completely amoral. Civil society cannot be amoral. And by the way, some things are actual FACT, including that our President was born in American and a Christian. This man clearly stated that the President is a Muslim (factually not correct) and implied that he is not American (factually not correct). Your argument is a sham.

In truth, Obama is probably more of an agnostic/atheist than either a Christian or a Muslim. He uses religion for political purposes, which is disgusting enough in its own right.