Whoever is convinced the officer was justified or that James Blake had it coming or that blacks shouldn't see this incident as a clear indication of just how quickly cops resort to unnecessarily excessive force when dealing with blacks - enjoy your take on things. The mayor and police commissioner of New York don't share your sentiments nor do the majority of the people in this country - whites and blacks I might add. You can argue in this thread until you're blue in the face but I guarantee whatever ideal resolution you're hoping for (people switch up and start calling the cop a hero, James Blake has a change of heart and decides to say that he was in the wrong, whatever...) it's not going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a mistake, the top police brass apologized profusely and the officer has been suspended. There is a definite resemblance to the suspect, though.

Did anyone say it wasn't a mistake?

Forgot this part, didn'tcha? The other fact you are ignoring is that it was clearly a black individual that committed the crime to begin with. Was that racist too, that the actual guilty individuals were black? Should the police gone after Asian individuals or Caucasian individuals instead while searching for the suspects?

Actually, the other guy was innocent, too. Moreover, the alleged crime was a nonviolent financial issue, so even if he had been guilty, the whole matter of attacking the suspend and never identifying himself as a cop was still way out of line.

You have NO idea who is packing any sort of weapon and who isn't. So whether or not the crime was financial is of no never mind. The officers went on the best information at the time, and that's what a trained officer is supposed to do.

Officers are routinely killed during traffic stops. Those individuals were not violent at the time they were stopped, until they because violent.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a mistake, the top police brass apologized profusely and the officer has been suspended. There is a definite resemblance to the suspect, though.

Did anyone say it wasn't a mistake?

Forgot this part, didn'tcha? The other fact you are ignoring is that it was clearly a black individual that committed the crime to begin with. Was that racist too, that the actual guilty individuals were black? Should the police gone after Asian individuals or Caucasian individuals instead while searching for the suspects?

Actually, the other guy was innocent, too. Moreover, the alleged crime was a nonviolent financial issue, so even if he had been guilty, the whole matter of attacking the suspend and never identifying himself as a cop was still way out of line.

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Anonymous wrote:A mistake...yeah...

The officer, James Frascatore, who is white, is a defendant in two federal lawsuits filed earlier that allege excessive force in separate incidents.

Last year, Frascatore was named in an amended complaint filed in federal court in Brooklyn alleging he and seven other officers and sergeants beat and unlawfully arrested a man in a Queens deli in May 2013.

The officer is named in a complaint filed in May alleging that officers used excessive force against a man named Warren Diggs for riding his bicycle on the sidewalk in 2013.
That's not a mistake...
That's a frigging pattern.

"Who is white" - yet with the name "Frascatore" his grandfather would not have been able to rent an apartment or buy a house in many neighborhoods in America in the 1950s.

Right, and in the 1950's James Blake would have been hanging from a tree with a crowd of cheering white onlookers taking pictures of his bloody and burned carcass to make postcards for their friends and family. But it's not the 1950's we're in the 21st century try and keep up with the here and now. Officer Frascatore is now just a guy whereas James Blake evidently in some respects is still relegated to the second class citizenship of n#gger.

Apparently in your pursuit of trying to one-up everyone else you missed the fact that one of the biggest cases of lynching in the US was when 11 Italian immigrants were indiscriminately rounded up en masse and murdered by a mob in New Orleans in 1899. But to you anyone not black is white, all whites are evil, and blacks are the only victims, and it's all about white vs. black and nothing else. Yep, got it.

Quite the contrary, to me anyone willfully ignorant of the injustices that still exist today in this country which are deeply ro in racism or who determinedly denies the fact that discrimination that still exists today in this country which are deeply rooted in racism is not evil but sick, and if you are so delusional that the only racism and discrimination you're willing to accept or admit are the "reverse" forms so that you can lay sole claim to victimhood well then you are one sick puppy.
I have no interest in going tit-for-tat with anyone about which groups experienced how much suffering XX number of years ago but since you brought it up, in 1919 the NAACP published "Thirty Years of Lynching in the United States, 1889-1918." This report indicated that 3,224 people were lynched in the thirty-year period. Of these, 702 were white and 2,522 black.

But, who is doing the lynching today?

Last year, over 2,000 blacks were murdered by other blacks.

Dear white antagonist,

I understand it's innate for you to mount an opposition to anything and everything blacks say about racial disparities regarding the criminal justice system as it is imperative for blacks to stay "down" in order for you to retain your precious white privilege, however, the argument that excessive force and unfair treatment by law enforcement officials is somehow reasonable or something that should be tolerated because of "black-on-black" crime is a poor and pathetic argument. "White-on-white" crime is rampant among Caucasians with over 80% of whites being killed by other whites but that doesn't justify your rights as a citizen to be infringed upon does it? You still have the right to not be tackled choked beaten pistol-whipped or shot unnecessarily even when suspected of a crime and placed under arrest. The same rights should extend to non-whites as this is a democracy and just because a man has melanin in his skin that doesn't automatically open the door for authorities to treat him any differently. Are you suggesting that James Blake deserved to be brought down with such force despite not posing a threat and despite not putting up any resistance, that simply because a lot of blacks kill blacks and James Blake is black that warranted his being treated like that? Is that justice?

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Anonymous wrote:It was a mistake, the top police brass apologized profusely and the officer has been suspended. There is a definite resemblance to the suspect, though.

Did anyone say it wasn't a mistake?

Forgot this part, didn'tcha? The other fact you are ignoring is that it was clearly a black individual that committed the crime to begin with. Was that racist too, that the actual guilty individuals were black? Should the police gone after Asian individuals or Caucasian individuals instead while searching for the suspects?

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Anonymous wrote:A mistake...yeah...

The officer, James Frascatore, who is white, is a defendant in two federal lawsuits filed earlier that allege excessive force in separate incidents.

Last year, Frascatore was named in an amended complaint filed in federal court in Brooklyn alleging he and seven other officers and sergeants beat and unlawfully arrested a man in a Queens deli in May 2013.

The officer is named in a complaint filed in May alleging that officers used excessive force against a man named Warren Diggs for riding his bicycle on the sidewalk in 2013.
That's not a mistake...
That's a frigging pattern.

"Who is white" - yet with the name "Frascatore" his grandfather would not have been able to rent an apartment or buy a house in many neighborhoods in America in the 1950s.

Right, and in the 1950's James Blake would have been hanging from a tree with a crowd of cheering white onlookers taking pictures of his bloody and burned carcass to make postcards for their friends and family. But it's not the 1950's we're in the 21st century try and keep up with the here and now. Officer Frascatore is now just a guy whereas James Blake evidently in some respects is still relegated to the second class citizenship of n#gger.

Apparently in your pursuit of trying to one-up everyone else you missed the fact that one of the biggest cases of lynching in the US was when 11 Italian immigrants were indiscriminately rounded up en masse and murdered by a mob in New Orleans in 1899. But to you anyone not black is white, all whites are evil, and blacks are the only victims, and it's all about white vs. black and nothing else. Yep, got it.

Quite the contrary, to me anyone willfully ignorant of the injustices that still exist today in this country which are deeply ro in racism or who determinedly denies the fact that discrimination that still exists today in this country which are deeply rooted in racism is not evil but sick, and if you are so delusional that the only racism and discrimination you're willing to accept or admit are the "reverse" forms so that you can lay sole claim to victimhood well then you are one sick puppy.
I have no interest in going tit-for-tat with anyone about which groups experienced how much suffering XX number of years ago but since you brought it up, in 1919 the NAACP published "Thirty Years of Lynching in the United States, 1889-1918." This report indicated that 3,224 people were lynched in the thirty-year period. Of these, 702 were white and 2,522 black.

But, who is doing the lynching today?

Last year, over 2,000 blacks were murdered by other blacks.

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Anonymous wrote:A mistake...yeah...

The officer, James Frascatore, who is white, is a defendant in two federal lawsuits filed earlier that allege excessive force in separate incidents.

Last year, Frascatore was named in an amended complaint filed in federal court in Brooklyn alleging he and seven other officers and sergeants beat and unlawfully arrested a man in a Queens deli in May 2013.

The officer is named in a complaint filed in May alleging that officers used excessive force against a man named Warren Diggs for riding his bicycle on the sidewalk in 2013.
That's not a mistake...
That's a frigging pattern.

"Who is white" - yet with the name "Frascatore" his grandfather would not have been able to rent an apartment or buy a house in many neighborhoods in America in the 1950s.

Right, and in the 1950's James Blake would have been hanging from a tree with a crowd of cheering white onlookers taking pictures of his bloody and burned carcass to make postcards for their friends and family. But it's not the 1950's we're in the 21st century try and keep up with the here and now. Officer Frascatore is now just a guy whereas James Blake evidently in some respects is still relegated to the second class citizenship of n#gger.

Apparently in your pursuit of trying to one-up everyone else you missed the fact that one of the biggest cases of lynching in the US was when 11 Italian immigrants were indiscriminately rounded up en masse and murdered by a mob in New Orleans in 1899. But to you anyone not black is white, all whites are evil, and blacks are the only victims, and it's all about white vs. black and nothing else. Yep, got it.

Quite the contrary, to me anyone willfully ignorant of the injustices that still exist today in this country which are deeply ro in racism or who determinedly denies the fact that discrimination that still exists today in this country which are deeply rooted in racism is not evil but sick, and if you are so delusional that the only racism and discrimination you're willing to accept or admit are the "reverse" forms so that you can lay sole claim to victimhood well then you are one sick puppy.
I have no interest in going tit-for-tat with anyone about which groups experienced how much suffering XX number of years ago but since you brought it up, in 1919 the NAACP published "Thirty Years of Lynching in the United States, 1889-1918." This report indicated that 3,224 people were lynched in the thirty-year period. Of these, 702 were white and 2,522 black.

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Anonymous wrote:A mistake...yeah...

The officer, James Frascatore, who is white, is a defendant in two federal lawsuits filed earlier that allege excessive force in separate incidents.

Last year, Frascatore was named in an amended complaint filed in federal court in Brooklyn alleging he and seven other officers and sergeants beat and unlawfully arrested a man in a Queens deli in May 2013.

The officer is named in a complaint filed in May alleging that officers used excessive force against a man named Warren Diggs for riding his bicycle on the sidewalk in 2013.
That's not a mistake...
That's a frigging pattern.

"Who is white" - yet with the name "Frascatore" his grandfather would not have been able to rent an apartment or buy a house in many neighborhoods in America in the 1950s.

Right, and in the 1950's James Blake would have been hanging from a tree with a crowd of cheering white onlookers taking pictures of his bloody and burned carcass to make postcards for their friends and family. But it's not the 1950's we're in the 21st century try and keep up with the here and now. Officer Frascatore is now just a guy whereas James Blake evidently in some respects is still relegated to the second class citizenship of n#gger.

Apparently in your pursuit of trying to one-up everyone else you missed the fact that one of the biggest cases of lynching in the US was when 11 Italian immigrants were indiscriminately rounded up en masse and murdered by a mob in New Orleans in 1899. But to you anyone not black is white, all whites are evil, and blacks are the only victims, and it's all about white vs. black and nothing else. Yep, got it.

While cops must have great leeway in deciding how much force to use under uncertain and rapidly changing circumstances, they must also strive to minimize the extent to which they get physical or use weapons.

Anonymous wrote:A mistake...yeah...

The officer, James Frascatore, who is white, is a defendant in two federal lawsuits filed earlier that allege excessive force in separate incidents.

Last year, Frascatore was named in an amended complaint filed in federal court in Brooklyn alleging he and seven other officers and sergeants beat and unlawfully arrested a man in a Queens deli in May 2013.

The officer is named in a complaint filed in May alleging that officers used excessive force against a man named Warren Diggs for riding his bicycle on the sidewalk in 2013.
That's not a mistake...
That's a frigging pattern.

With a name like frascatore, you know he grew up in an environment where everyone is using 'moolie' and 'mulignan'

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/nyregion/video-captures-new-york-officer-manhandling-tennis-star-during-arrest.html?_r=0

why do all of these cops look like white power neo-nazi skinheads?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if Blake was targeted based on his race and I don't know if cop was racist. I do know the cop was over aggressive given the situation. Even if the Blake was the actual perpetrator the way the cop went about it was unnecessary and borderline reckless. I don't think the issue has to be race dominated to see the wrong here. Maybe you police brutality cop defenders can try to see it from this perspective.

I have posted numerous challenges here and couldn't leave for the evening without telling you that I appreciate your comments!

I do too. Blake is one of the nicest guys on the tennis circuit. This officer was totally out of line. Was he targeting someone because of race? Possibly - but likely because he received a report about a black male.
That does not justify how Blake was tackled and treated.
I don’t know the details of the case, and I question if it was a race-targeted incident, but it is clearly a case of a police officer becoming too physical with a “suspect.”
I am a strong defenders of police officers, but when you see something like this, it tarnishes the reputations of all police officers.
Totally unnecessary.

Harvard educated James Blake is known for being one of the nicest and smartest athletes in the game. I have been a fan of Blakes for a long time and it was painful to watch the video.

Would Frascatore be facing any censure if there was no video? Any institution, whether it be a school system, a group of professionals such as lawyers or doctors etc who do not discipline their own become a threat to those they are supposed to serve. I would really love to hear from a cop about how bad cops should be handled. The bigger issue to me is who are these guys hiring? I knew someone trying to get hired decades ago as a Fairfax County cop and heard it was very hard it was to get a job there. They put a lot in to assessing the recruits. You can see that isn't true in every jurisdiction. Is it the militarization of the police that is causing the problem and has this come about because they are hiring so many vets? I'm very curious as to how to fix the problem. Are budget problems leading to less scrutiny of recruits/less training etc. Racism exists, I dont doubt that, but is there something else going on in our country that is causing this? Were these incidents always there or has it gotten worse?

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Anonymous wrote:NYPD and Blake are lucky he didn't have some kind of heart condition. Or asthma. Someone could have died. Also could have very easily sprained a knee and broken the guys leg.

The assault/take down was unprovoked.

Unprovoked? What led to it?

You don't tackle someone standing outside a hotel minding their own business simply for suspicion of purchasing high-end shoes with fraudulent credit cards.
You don't resort to such unnecessary force unless that person poses a potential threat OR...wait for it...or unless the person is black evidently. Then you can whip their ass up and down the sidewalk apparently.

If you watched the video then you are blatantly misrepresenting what happened. If not, watch it as your description doesn't match what happened.

Lol I'm an artist by trade its my job to embellish in the interest of illustration and even if you didn't know that I'm sure you knew I wasn't being literal. Come on now...you're too intelligent to be getting hung up on petty particulars don't go there.

Painting a verbal picture isn't quite the same and as an artist I am sure you are familiar with, a picture is worth a thousand words. lol

And my ire is up with all the assumptions and misrepresentations so my eye for embellishments for illustrative purposes is a bit askew. I am heading out of here for now.

Anonymous wrote:For the stubborn skeptics who fail to see the elements of racial undertones in this incident I encourage you to talk to your non-white colleagues and co-workers about the events that transpired and get their take on things. Situations such as this are often interpreted quite differently depending on who's shoes you're standing in and while you may refuse to see the rationale of anything an anonymous poster on this site says perhaps you'll be more receptive to the points and perspectives of an individual you respect face-to-face.

I not only have ''non-white'' colleagues and friends I also have family members in that group and we have talked about things like this many times. Your points are well taken and accurate and in incidents like this one race should be considered. If it turns out to be a part of it then it needs to be dealt with. What I don't appreciate are these race baiters that exaggerate incidents such as what happened with Mr. Blake.

Anonymous wrote:It is incredibly relevant to note that not only did the NYPD assault the wrong Black guy, but the Black guy they mistook him for was ALSO innocent

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