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Anonymous wrote:I would think when people are being driven to suicide it is a police matter/ in the public interest to provide some.protection. Like blackmail/ extortion. Again, the people who signed up dod not actually commit a crime.

Adultery is not a crime?

Not in 'Merica!

like the stock market crash

When your life revolves around money and sex, be prepared for a fall.

Anonymous wrote:I would think when people are being driven to suicide it is a police matter/ in the public interest to provide some.protection. Like blackmail/ extortion. Again, the people who signed up dod not actually commit a crime.

Adultery is not a crime?

I would think when people are being driven to suicide it is a police matter/ in the public interest to provide some.protection. Like blackmail/ extortion. Again, the people who signed up dod not actually commit a crime.

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Anonymous wrote:There are two issues in this case

1. The cheating and a site that promotes it
2. The true security of a person's private information online

In my opinion, the issues are separate, mutually exclusive and warrant responses independent of each other.

I agree.

Ashley Madison sounds like they have really shoddy internet security practices - maybe some fraud issues too?

I think the government should have a fast response team to respond to these breaches. The internet, though we all give up a modicum of privacy, is policed. In Europe they are developing far stronger right to privacy laws. In this situation, I would think its in the public interest to not have this released - both for the invasion of privacy ans the chilling effect on e-commerce.

Again, what would the govt. Response be if the internet hackers of about 30 million Americans security clearances with just as personal info - if those hackers get miffed and dump it on the web..does the govt. Have the capability to respond? Have they thought that far ahead?

The reality is just about anything can be hacked as should be evident with what one would assume is secure data held by the US government that China is believed to have hacked. We only hear about it when it surfaces like has occurred with AM and some of the breaches like at Target.

There is literally nothing that can be done to stop it because even if US citizens were somehow prevented from publicizing something like the AM hack there is nothing to stop those who live in other countries from doing so and given the nature of the net, people can access it from the US.

What can the government do? Perhaps there is retribution possible against American citizens if they can be identified as hackers but those who live in other countries are really immune from action unless the host governments cooperate.

We, the U.S., have a military command that is dedicated to cyber threats against our nation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cyber_Command

This isn't a national security issue. No more than hundreds of thousands of other breaches of private companies.
Private companies have access to U.S. CERT which provides information on best security practices. It is up to private companies to protect their data and the information of their customers.

The vulnerability of data can indeed become a national security issue. It depend's on what data is breached, as the PP above pondered.

Certainly there are organizations within our various agencies of government that consider a role in securing our national (virtual) borders from threats like this. What happened is no different from someone coming into a business, stealing a roster of names and addresses, and making xerox copies and pasting it on everyone's front door in a neighborhood. It is the act that is illegal. Neve rmind that it was an act that exposed others' wrongdoings, which is an entirely separate issue. The act itself was illegal.

The hack was illegal, yes. But not a national security issue. If a roster is stolen from a company, it is the company that needs to contact police to report the crime.

Agreed. Seems we are talking past each other. My original link to wikipedia was to address the PPs question of how the U.S. is positioned to respond to data breaches like those suspected from China.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't put any information on the internet that you don't want on the front page of The Washington Post.

Or you can die? C'mon, have a heart. Its.in the public interest to quash this thing. I'm sorry our government is not proactive, not reactive, just nada

Squash Ashley Madison and it's a-hat founders--yes.

They facilitated adultery in the brashest way possible---glorified it.

F@ck them.

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Anonymous wrote:There are two issues in this case

1. The cheating and a site that promotes it
2. The true security of a person's private information online

In my opinion, the issues are separate, mutually exclusive and warrant responses independent of each other.

I agree.

Ashley Madison sounds like they have really shoddy internet security practices - maybe some fraud issues too?

I think the government should have a fast response team to respond to these breaches. The internet, though we all give up a modicum of privacy, is policed. In Europe they are developing far stronger right to privacy laws. In this situation, I would think its in the public interest to not have this released - both for the invasion of privacy ans the chilling effect on e-commerce.

Again, what would the govt. Response be if the internet hackers of about 30 million Americans security clearances with just as personal info - if those hackers get miffed and dump it on the web..does the govt. Have the capability to respond? Have they thought that far ahead?

The reality is just about anything can be hacked as should be evident with what one would assume is secure data held by the US government that China is believed to have hacked. We only hear about it when it surfaces like has occurred with AM and some of the breaches like at Target.

There is literally nothing that can be done to stop it because even if US citizens were somehow prevented from publicizing something like the AM hack there is nothing to stop those who live in other countries from doing so and given the nature of the net, people can access it from the US.

What can the government do? Perhaps there is retribution possible against American citizens if they can be identified as hackers but those who live in other countries are really immune from action unless the host governments cooperate.

We, the U.S., have a military command that is dedicated to cyber threats against our nation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cyber_Command

This isn't a national security issue. No more than hundreds of thousands of other breaches of private companies.
Private companies have access to U.S. CERT which provides information on best security practices. It is up to private companies to protect their data and the information of their customers.

The vulnerability of data can indeed become a national security issue. It depend's on what data is breached, as the PP above pondered.

Certainly there are organizations within our various agencies of government that consider a role in securing our national (virtual) borders from threats like this. What happened is no different from someone coming into a business, stealing a roster of names and addresses, and making xerox copies and pasting it on everyone's front door in a neighborhood. It is the act that is illegal. Neve rmind that it was an act that exposed others' wrongdoings, which is an entirely separate issue. The act itself was illegal.

The hack was illegal, yes. But not a national security issue. If a roster is stolen from a company, it is the company that needs to contact police to report the crime.

Anonymous wrote:Don't put any information on the internet that you don't want on the front page of The Washington Post.

Or you can die? C'mon, have a heart. Its.in the public interest to quash this thing. I'm sorry our government is not proactive, not reactive, just nada

Don't put any information on the internet that you don't want on the front page of The Washington Post.

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Anonymous wrote:I have zero sympathy for the AM hack because of how vile the website and its mission was---encouraging and glorifying extramarital affairs.

Also--there are women that use these sites and brag about banging married men and make fun of the victim/spouse (check out old AM threads in the sex&relatiinship forums on dcum).

Of course the woman always assumed wife was ugly and unsexual and never for once considered the guy was just a snake.

I hope AM shrivel up and dies. You want to cheat on your spouse---you must be prepared for the consequences. You never know what psycho, what disease you will encounter. This effects kids and spouse.

I think single people are free to do whatever the hell they want and have any deviant sexual flings they want as long as it's legal. I am opposed to hacks and witch hunts of other hookup sites....

But the boldness and disregard for marriage that AM bragged about---they deserve to be sued!

A weak individual cheats and a weak one can't handle the fall out.

Here in the U.S., I'm sure the AM info will lead to lots of divorces and probably more suicides, but in Muslim countries, it's probably going to lead to a LOT of murders, arrests and executions.

Especially in Muslim countries:


http://www.libel.news/ashley-madison-leak-used-by-saudi-arabia-to-imprison-gays/

The Saudi Arabian government is using the recently leaked data from Ashley Madison to track down homoesexuals in their contry. As homosexuality is a crime, punishable by death, in Saudi Arabia the leak is estimated to result in the death of hundreds if not thousands of gay people in Saudi Arabia.

Tuesday night, hackers leaked a dump of private information on more than 33 million Ashley Madison profiles, including full names, phone numbers, payment details, and checked-off sexual desires and orientation. A source in the Saudi Arabian government has revealed that this information is now being used to track down and imprison homosexuals as well as persons with “adulterous or immoral sexual fantasies”. Many of these crimes are punishable by death, and it is feared that this leak might result in an as of yet unseen amount of executions. A homosexual man has described how he decided to run away as soon as he heard about the leak:

“The reason I decided to use the dating site [Ashley Madison, sic] was because of their focus on anonymity. My country does not tolerate my sexual orientation, so I was happy when I found a safe place to have a profile and look for other men. When I heard about the possible leak in the news I decided to flee the country immediately: I have no doubt in my heart that the information in my profile would lead to me being killed”.

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Anonymous wrote:There are two issues in this case

1. The cheating and a site that promotes it
2. The true security of a person's private information online

In my opinion, the issues are separate, mutually exclusive and warrant responses independent of each other.

I agree.

Ashley Madison sounds like they have really shoddy internet security practices - maybe some fraud issues too?

I think the government should have a fast response team to respond to these breaches. The internet, though we all give up a modicum of privacy, is policed. In Europe they are developing far stronger right to privacy laws. In this situation, I would think its in the public interest to not have this released - both for the invasion of privacy ans the chilling effect on e-commerce.

Again, what would the govt. Response be if the internet hackers of about 30 million Americans security clearances with just as personal info - if those hackers get miffed and dump it on the web..does the govt. Have the capability to respond? Have they thought that far ahead?

The reality is just about anything can be hacked as should be evident with what one would assume is secure data held by the US government that China is believed to have hacked. We only hear about it when it surfaces like has occurred with AM and some of the breaches like at Target.

There is literally nothing that can be done to stop it because even if US citizens were somehow prevented from publicizing something like the AM hack there is nothing to stop those who live in other countries from doing so and given the nature of the net, people can access it from the US.

What can the government do? Perhaps there is retribution possible against American citizens if they can be identified as hackers but those who live in other countries are really immune from action unless the host governments cooperate.

We, the U.S., have a military command that is dedicated to cyber threats against our nation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cyber_Command

This isn't a national security issue. No more than hundreds of thousands of other breaches of private companies.
Private companies have access to U.S. CERT which provides information on best security practices. It is up to private companies to protect their data and the information of their customers.

The vulnerability of data can indeed become a national security issue. It depend's on what data is breached, as the PP above pondered.

Certainly there are organizations within our various agencies of government that consider a role in securing our national (virtual) borders from threats like this. What happened is no different from someone coming into a business, stealing a roster of names and addresses, and making xerox copies and pasting it on everyone's front door in a neighborhood. It is the act that is illegal. Neve rmind that it was an act that exposed others' wrongdoings, which is an entirely separate issue. The act itself was illegal.

Anonymous wrote:I have zero sympathy for the AM hack because of how vile the website and its mission was---encouraging and glorifying extramarital affairs.

Also--there are women that use these sites and brag about banging married men and make fun of the victim/spouse (check out old AM threads in the sex&relatiinship forums on dcum).

Of course the woman always assumed wife was ugly and unsexual and never for once considered the guy was just a snake.

I hope AM shrivel up and dies. You want to cheat on your spouse---you must be prepared for the consequences. You never know what psycho, what disease you will encounter. This effects kids and spouse.

I think single people are free to do whatever the hell they want and have any deviant sexual flings they want as long as it's legal. I am opposed to hacks and witch hunts of other hookup sites....

But the boldness and disregard for marriage that AM bragged about---they deserve to be sued!

A weak individual cheats and a weak one can't handle the fall out.

I have zero sympathy for the AM hack because of how vile the website and its mission was---encouraging and glorifying extramarital affairs.

Also--there are women that use these sites and brag about banging married men and make fun of the victim/spouse (check out old AM threads in the sex&relatiinship forums on dcum).

Of course the woman always assumed wife was ugly and unsexual and never for once considered the guy was just a snake.

I hope AM shrivel up and dies. You want to cheat on your spouse---you must be prepared for the consequences. You never know what psycho, what disease you will encounter. This effects kids and spouse.

I think single people are free to do whatever the hell they want and have any deviant sexual flings they want as long as it's legal. I am opposed to hacks and witch hunts of other hookup sites....

But the boldness and disregard for marriage that AM bragged about---they deserve to be sued!

There are so many names on that list. It may be a leap to conclude that these suicides have anything to do with this list. I'll bet some of the names on that list are bogus and/or have to do with people paying to get their profiles deleted.

I can actually see how someone might have created a profile just to go on the site and have a peek around. Assuming that would give them access to other people's accounts...

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand the suicides. If you go on this site presumably you don't care about your marriage THAT much, right? Maybe it's the public nature of it. Most of the people I recognized on the list are already divorced. Sad in any case.

That's the point. It isn't just destroying their marriage, it's destroying their professional and personal life as well. While cheating is horrible, it isn't illegal, and ruining people's lives over what should be a private matter seems cruel.

You know what's cruel??? Being cheated on after you make a VOW to promise to be faithful oh and you keep up your end of the bargain while the other person betrays you. That's what's cruel!!! How do you like blowing your nose into tissue that's been used by someone else? That's what its like to share a partner who has been unfaithful and sleeping with others who may have given him STDs.

Why do you assume the cheated on spouse kept up their end of the bargain?