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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

But how do you make yourself believe in something? A person could go through all the motions -- praying, reading the Bible, going to church, etc., but what if, buried deep in their heart, they have doubts? What are they supposed to do about that? What if they try to believe until their last breath, but can't make the doubt go away?

That is my ultimate difficulty with this variety of Christianity. All of the things a person can control, all of the things they can make choices about, are irrelevant. All that matters is something that's not truly within their control.

EVERYONE has doubts at some point in their life. Even the most devoutly religious Christians. Doubt is part of faith and part of belief. You don't "make yourself" believe something. You live your life as a follower of Jesus Christ. Even He acknowledged doubts and in fact, talks about them in the New Testament.

Don't you ever "doubt" that you love your DH? Be honest here. But does that mean you up and decide to divorce him tomorrow, because of it?

Honestly, no, I don't ever doubt that I love my DH. At times I have had doubts about whether our marriage would last, but not because I doubted I love him. All I can think of when I hear people talk about this is a friend of mine who threw herself into God and religion in college, did everything she was "supposed" to do, no one would have guessed that she wasn't deeply devout. After 15 years of it, she left her church and came out as an agnostic, because as much as she tried to believe, she never really did. She gave it 15 years, and couldn't make herself believe. What was she supposed to do with that? Even if she kept pretending her entire life, God would know she didn't believe. It's like trying to will yourself to fall in love with someone. You can work really hard at being kind and generous and caring, and you can do all of the wonderful things people in love do for each other, you can love the idea of being in love with them, but you can't really force yourself to fall in love with them.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I believe it's worse to bring an unwanted child into the world. I, along with several people I know had abortions because we weren't able to care for or raise a child when we accidently got pregnant. I know I did the right thing and I'm sure you did too.

You "accidentally" got pregnant? Wow, that's a first. You can't even own up to the fact that you played a role in it.

You could have chosen life and adopted your child out, rather than killing it.

I didn't say that I didn't have a role in it. I was using the pill and it failed. So, yes, it was an accident. I was so thankful that abortion is safe and legal and was upheld by the Supreme Court because I didn't want to give birth to an unwanted child and give it away. I don't believe that life begins at conception (like so many Americans) so I don't believe that a baby ever existed.

I am Pro-Choice which means I believe that women should be able to make this very personal, hugely important decision for themselves. If you don't think abortion is right for you, fine, but stop spewing your hateful messages and trying to impose your beliefs on others.

"What you believe" is nice, but irrelevant. What is important are the facts. And the facts are, that life begins at conception/ implantation, whether or not that is convenient for you in your situation. And "give birth to an unwanted child?" How ridiculously selfish is that? I assure you, many, many, many people would have wanted that child to have a life. And so did God.

Which is it, conception or implantation? Since it's only what YOU believe that matters.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

But how do you make yourself believe in something? A person could go through all the motions -- praying, reading the Bible, going to church, etc., but what if, buried deep in their heart, they have doubts? What are they supposed to do about that? What if they try to believe until their last breath, but can't make the doubt go away?

That is my ultimate difficulty with this variety of Christianity. All of the things a person can control, all of the things they can make choices about, are irrelevant. All that matters is something that's not truly within their control.

EVERYONE has doubts at some point in their life. Even the most devoutly religious Christians. Doubt is part of faith and part of belief. You don't "make yourself" believe something. You live your life as a follower of Jesus Christ. Even He acknowledged doubts and in fact, talks about them in the New Testament.

Don't you ever "doubt" that you love your DH? Be honest here. But does that mean you up and decide to divorce him tomorrow, because of it?

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Anonymous wrote:No, I believe it's worse to bring an unwanted child into the world. I, along with several people I know had abortions because we weren't able to care for or raise a child when we accidently got pregnant. I know I did the right thing and I'm sure you did too.

You "accidentally" got pregnant? Wow, that's a first. You can't even own up to the fact that you played a role in it.

You could have chosen life and adopted your child out, rather than killing it.

I didn't say that I didn't have a role in it. I was using the pill and it failed. So, yes, it was an accident. I was so thankful that abortion is safe and legal and was upheld by the Supreme Court because I didn't want to give birth to an unwanted child and give it away. I don't believe that life begins at conception (like so many Americans) so I don't believe that a baby ever existed.

I am Pro-Choice which means I believe that women should be able to make this very personal, hugely important decision for themselves. If you don't think abortion is right for you, fine, but stop spewing your hateful messages and trying to impose your beliefs on others.

"What you believe" is nice, but irrelevant. What is important are the facts. And the facts are, that life begins at conception/ implantation, whether or not that is convenient for you in your situation. And "give birth to an unwanted child?" How ridiculously selfish is that? I assure you, many, many, many people would have wanted that child to have a life. And so did God.

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Anonymous wrote:No. God forgives.

Only if you repent, which none of the women in this thread have any intention of doing.

Do you plan to repent your hatefulness and judgment of others?

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Anonymous wrote:No. God forgives.

Only if you repent, which none of the women in this thread have any intention of doing.

Why do you assume you know other peoples' intentions? Do you think you're God?

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Anonymous wrote:No, I believe it's worse to bring an unwanted child into the world. I, along with several people I know had abortions because we weren't able to care for or raise a child when we accidently got pregnant. I know I did the right thing and I'm sure you did too.

You "accidentally" got pregnant? Wow, that's a first. You can't even own up to the fact that you played a role in it.

You could have chosen life and adopted your child out, rather than killing it.

I didn't say that I didn't have a role in it. I was using the pill and it failed. So, yes, it was an accident. I was so thankful that abortion is safe and legal and was upheld by the Supreme Court because I didn't want to give birth to an unwanted child and give it away. I don't believe that life begins at conception (like so many Americans) so I don't believe that a baby ever existed.

I am Pro-Choice which means I believe that women should be able to make this very personal, hugely important decision for themselves. If you don't think abortion is right for you, fine, but stop spewing your hateful messages and trying to impose your beliefs on others.

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Anonymous wrote:No. God forgives.

Only if you repent, which none of the women in this thread have any intention of doing.

What does that even mean? serious question. Repenting, I mean.

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Anonymous wrote:No. God forgives.

Only if you repent, which none of the women in this thread have any intention of doing.

"none" of the women? Only one said she even had an abortion. Are you assuming everyone who doesn't agree with you has had an abortion? You're even more deluded than I thought.

Anonymous wrote:No. God forgives.

Only if you repent, which none of the women in this thread have any intention of doing.

No. God forgives.

There is no heaven or hell.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL no it doesn't work that way

It most certainly does. God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior. If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them. Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.

But how do you make yourself believe in something? A person could go through all the motions -- praying, reading the Bible, going to church, etc., but what if, buried deep in their heart, they have doubts? What are they supposed to do about that? What if they try to believe until their last breath, but can't make the doubt go away?

That is my ultimate difficulty with this variety of Christianity. All of the things a person can control, all of the things they can make choices about, are irrelevant. All that matters is something that's not truly within their control.

Hell is worrying is a supreme entity who's provided no real and certainly no specific evidence of his/her/it's existence or true nature is going to send you off for eternal damnation.

So, OP, what's done is done and you need to forgive yourself and find peace. I'm sure tbr faith you practice can provide you with a path.

This is so whacked out to me.

If you believe in heaven/hell, surely you believe an aborted baby went to heaven. It's not like you condemned them to a horrible life.

Christianity (and most other re\ligions) make no logical sense.