"In another strong historical parallel, all the other Ivy League universities seem to have gone through similar shifts in Asian enrollment at similar times and reached a similar plateau over the last couple of decades. As mentioned, the share of Asians at Harvard peaked at over 20 percent in 1993, then immediately declined and thereafter remained roughly constant at a level 3–5 points lower. Asians at Yale reached a 16.8 percent maximum in that same year, and soon dropped by about 3 points to a roughly constant level. The Columbia peak also came in 1993 and the Cornell peak in 1995, in both cases followed by the same substantial drop, and the same is true for most of their East Coast peers. During the mid- to late-1980s, there had been some public controversy in the media regarding allegations of anti-Asian discrimination in the Ivy League, and the Federal Government eventually even opened an investigation into the matter.22 But once that investigation was closed in 1991, Asian enrollments across all those universities rapidly converged to the same level of approximately 16 percent, and remained roughly static thereafter (See chart below). In fact, the yearly fluctuations in Asian enrollments are often smaller than were the changes in Jewish numbers during the “quota era” of the past,23 and are roughly the same relative size as the fluctuations in black enrollments, even though the latter are heavily influenced by the publicly declared “ethnic diversity goals” of those same institutions.

The largely constant Asian numbers at these elite colleges are particularly strange when we consider that the underlying population of Asians in America has been anything but static, instead growing at the fastest pace of any American racial group, having increased by almost 50 percent during the last decade, and more than doubling since 1993. Obviously, the relevant ratio would be to the 18–21 age cohort, but adjusting for this factor changes little: based on Census data, the college-age ratio of Asians to whites increased by 94 percent between 1994 and 2011, even while the ratio of Asians to whites at Harvard and Columbia fell over these same years.24

Put another way, the percentage of college-age Asian-Americans attending Harvard peaked around 1993, and has since dropped by over 50 percent, a decline somewhat larger than the fall in Jewish enrollment which followed the imposition of secret quotas in 1925.25 And we have noted the parallel trends in the other Ivy League schools, which also replicates the historical pattern."

Anonymous wrote:There was a hard quota against Jew. There is no hard quota against Asians. Stop trying to equate the situations.

"Even more surprising has been the sheer constancy of these percentages, with almost every year from 1995–2011 showing an Asian enrollment within a single point of the 16.5 percent average, despite huge fluctuations in the number of applications and the inevitable uncertainty surrounding which students will accept admission.

By contrast, prior to 1993 Asian enrollment had often changed quite substantially from year to year. It is interesting to note that this exactly replicates the historical pattern observed by Karabel, in which Jewish enrollment rose very rapidly, leading to imposition of an informal quota system, after which the number of Jews fell substantially, and thereafter remained roughly constant for decades. On the face of it, ethnic enrollment levels which widely diverge from academic performance data or application rates and which remain remarkably static over time provide obvious circumstantial evidence for at least a de facto ethnic quota system."

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If these colleges didn't put such a high burden on Asian Amer. students, then maybe they wouldn't prep as much. I don't know. Seems to me that people who judge others for wanting to work hard and get ahead are either hypocritical or jealous.

It's the parents, not colleges.
Parents view a top college as end-all, be all. They punish kids for grades below A, yell and beat them, and not just abroad, but in this country also.

The fetishization of name brands--many people are guilty of this.

Right, but not to the extent of abuse that drives Asian kids to depression and suicide.

Maybe they are depressed because they are discriminated against in college admissions and have much higher standards than other groups. This can be depressing when the goal post keeps moving.

No, they are depressed because their parents tell them that unless they get into a top school, they are absolutely worthless and not worthy of love. How the family sacrifices everything for them and if they have the nerve to get B+, they bring shame to themselves and to their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:There was a hard quota against Jew. There is no hard quota against Asians. Stop trying to equate the situations.

Thank you! +100

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

This Jewish scholar disagree. He thinks the Asian quota is just as insidious as the Jewish quota after the hard limit was removed. Guess who he thinks are the beneficiaries, not the URMs, but the white Jewish student, Interestly, the white non-jewish students are hurt almost as much as the Asian students.
I am not a conservative. But this is the best article on this issue I read.

This is absolutely true. Non-Jewish whites are ones shafted the most maybe more than Asian Americans in terms of numbers.

One of the nation’s most prestigious universities really have a racially biased admissions process

Yes, yes, and yes.
Racial quotas are put in place to help people from the lower achieving end. This means SOMEBODY will get the bad end of the stick. Since Asians do so well and make up large part of universities, whereas blacks underperform, racial quotas mean some Asians will have to be cut off in order to make room for the black students.

The same thing happens with white students, the problem with the white students is that the white politicians themselves are for it.

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Anonymous wrote:There was a hard quota against Jew. There is no hard quota against Asians. Stop trying to equate the situations.

Thank you! +100

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

This Jewish scholar disagree. He thinks the Asian quota is just as insidious as the Jewish quota after the hard limit was removed. Guess who he thinks are the beneficiaries, not the URMs, but the white Jewish student, Interestly, the white non-jewish students are hurt almost as much as the Asian students.
I am not a conservative. But this is the best article on this issue I read.

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If these colleges didn't put such a high burden on Asian Amer. students, then maybe they wouldn't prep as much. I don't know. Seems to me that people who judge others for wanting to work hard and get ahead are either hypocritical or jealous.

It's the parents, not colleges.
Parents view a top college as end-all, be all. They punish kids for grades below A, yell and beat them, and not just abroad, but in this country also.

The fetishization of name brands--many people are guilty of this.

Right, but not to the extent of abuse that drives Asian kids to depression and suicide.

Maybe they are depressed because they are discriminated against in college admissions and have much higher standards than other groups. This can be depressing when the goal post keeps moving.

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If these colleges didn't put such a high burden on Asian Amer. students, then maybe they wouldn't prep as much. I don't know. Seems to me that people who judge others for wanting to work hard and get ahead are either hypocritical or jealous.

It's the parents, not colleges.
Parents view a top college as end-all, be all. They punish kids for grades below A, yell and beat them, and not just abroad, but in this country also.

The fetishization of name brands--many people are guilty of this.

Right, but not to the extent of abuse that drives Asian kids to depression and suicide.

All people in general have the ability to excel at academics. Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, etc, etc. If one "race" is outperforming the others, you would think we, as society would examine the practices the excelling race is doing and decide if those practices are good things to emulate to help the lagging races to succeed...... no, we attempt to bar the achievers from 'dominating' places of higher education because there are too many of THEM and not enough of US. What a bunch of BS.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a widespread perception, which may be unfair, that Asian-Americans have an unhealthy fixation with going to prestigious colleges and are are spending an inordinate amount of time and resources prepping their children for standardized tests, doing excessively large numbers of extra curriculars, not for enjoyment or personal growth, but for the purpose of impressing admissions, resulting in unrealistically high entrances stats.

Again, this is the perception, not necessarily the reality, but this has created a situation where admissions are skeptical of scores coming from Asian-Americans.

Unfortunately, this stereotype hurts poorer Asian immigrants, particular ones from countries that don't have super competitive education systems. They get lumped in with the stereotypical "Asian Math Geniuses/Tiger Moms" from middle/upper-middle class backgrounds.

I think a similar issue happens to African Americans. Most colleges will accept AAs with lower stats than other races, with the assumption that they must be from impoverished backgrounds and "didn't have a father in the household," etc. But a disproportionately large proportion of the AAs that benefit from this are the middle-class AAs, or the children of immigrants from Caribbean nations, or from Africa itself -- all of whom tend to be better-off socioeconomically than the average AA. The truly poor AAs, the intended beneficiaries, don't benefit as often, and are far more likely to go to community colleges, where they will typically drop-out after a semester or two.

Every Indian I know is obsessed with TJ. I think this is more reality than just perception. There needs to be limits on Asian Americans, so other cultures that do not have the hyper competitive focused parents have opportunities.

Places like these - TJ, Harvard, etc.. - are competitive. If you cannot handle the competitiveness, I don't see why you should be allowed in. It's not 1st grade. Not every kid gets a trophy for showing up. And I don't think it's always just the parents that want the kids to get into these schools. Some kids want it, too. No, I'm not projecting. I don't push my kids to get into these types of schools.

It is NOT that others are not competitive.

The issue is that Indian parents push their kids from pre-k, with tutoring and extra school. Children have to go to all day saturday tutor sessions. Odyssey of the Mind training sessions. The hyper-competitive parents cause the issues. If you are good and smart but did not have these types of parents you are left out. The elite schools need to be able to include children that have just as much potential but did not have the same type of parents.

The fallacy of these concerns is that admission to Ivy League schools and the like should be based on nothing but scores and GPA. What is wrong with the schools considering other factors, even if it means the absolute highest scoring kids are not always admitted. There are plenty of good schools in this country, and it seems a real first world gripe to complain that one or -- one's kid -- is "stuck" going to, say BU or Case Western, nothwithstanding very high grades and scores. I sometimes wonder if part of the issue is that some of the super-competitive Asians do not have are very status conscious and lack the perspective to appreciate the plethora of other alternatives that are as, or almost, as good, as the
Ivies. This country has much bigger problems than whether certain Asian groups might "deserve" -- based on pure metrics -- to constitute a slightly higher percentage of the most elite schools than they already do. These complaints seem to come from a pretty warped set of entitlement.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a widespread perception, which may be unfair, that Asian-Americans have an unhealthy fixation with going to prestigious colleges and are are spending an inordinate amount of time and resources prepping their children for standardized tests, doing excessively large numbers of extra curriculars, not for enjoyment or personal growth, but for the purpose of impressing admissions, resulting in unrealistically high entrances stats.

Again, this is the perception, not necessarily the reality, but this has created a situation where admissions are skeptical of scores coming from Asian-Americans.

Unfortunately, this stereotype hurts poorer Asian immigrants, particular ones from countries that don't have super competitive education systems. They get lumped in with the stereotypical "Asian Math Geniuses/Tiger Moms" from middle/upper-middle class backgrounds.

I think a similar issue happens to African Americans. Most colleges will accept AAs with lower stats than other races, with the assumption that they must be from impoverished backgrounds and "didn't have a father in the household," etc. But a disproportionately large proportion of the AAs that benefit from this are the middle-class AAs, or the children of immigrants from Caribbean nations, or from Africa itself -- all of whom tend to be better-off socioeconomically than the average AA. The truly poor AAs, the intended beneficiaries, don't benefit as often, and are far more likely to go to community colleges, where they will typically drop-out after a semester or two.

Every Indian I know is obsessed with TJ. I think this is more reality than just perception. There needs to be limits on Asian Americans, so other cultures that do not have the hyper competitive focused parents have opportunities.

Places like these - TJ, Harvard, etc.. - are competitive. If you cannot handle the competitiveness, I don't see why you should be allowed in. It's not 1st grade. Not every kid gets a trophy for showing up. And I don't think it's always just the parents that want the kids to get into these schools. Some kids want it, too. No, I'm not projecting. I don't push my kids to get into these types of schools.

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If these colleges didn't put such a high burden on Asian Amer. students, then maybe they wouldn't prep as much. I don't know. Seems to me that people who judge others for wanting to work hard and get ahead are either hypocritical or jealous.

It's the parents, not colleges.
Parents view a top college as end-all, be all. They punish kids for grades below A, yell and beat them, and not just abroad, but in this country also.

The fetishization of name brands--many people are guilty of this.

Yes, and not just Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:
If these colleges didn't put such a high burden on Asian Amer. students, then maybe they wouldn't prep as much. I don't know. Seems to me that people who judge others for wanting to work hard and get ahead are either hypocritical or jealous.

It's the parents, not colleges.
Parents view a top college as end-all, be all. They punish kids for grades below A, yell and beat them, and not just abroad, but in this country also.

The fetishization of name brands--many people are guilty of this.

Anonymous wrote:There is a widespread perception, which may be unfair, that Asian-Americans have an unhealthy fixation with going to prestigious colleges and are are spending an inordinate amount of time and resources prepping their children for standardized tests, doing excessively large numbers of extra curriculars, not for enjoyment or personal growth, but for the purpose of impressing admissions, resulting in unrealistically high entrances stats.

Again, this is the perception, not necessarily the reality, but this has created a situation where admissions are skeptical of scores coming from Asian-Americans.

Unfortunately, this stereotype hurts poorer Asian immigrants, particular ones from countries that don't have super competitive education systems. They get lumped in with the stereotypical "Asian Math Geniuses/Tiger Moms" from middle/upper-middle class backgrounds.

I think a similar issue happens to African Americans. Most colleges will accept AAs with lower stats than other races, with the assumption that they must be from impoverished backgrounds and "didn't have a father in the household," etc. But a disproportionately large proportion of the AAs that benefit from this are the middle-class AAs, or the children of immigrants from Caribbean nations, or from Africa itself -- all of whom tend to be better-off socioeconomically than the average AA. The truly poor AAs, the intended beneficiaries, don't benefit as often, and are far more likely to go to community colleges, where they will typically drop-out after a semester or two.

Every Indian I know is obsessed with TJ. I think this is more reality than just perception. There needs to be limits on Asian Americans, so other cultures that do not have the hyper competitive focused parents have opportunities.