Anonymous
04/08/2015 21:28
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
BTW, with your strong attitude against religion I wonder if your children (if you have any) grow up with a similar prejudice against those of faith. Again, context and support.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 21:22
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.
Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross
My DC handle Stations of the Cross just fine as does every other child I see there.
Of course, they're used to it. See what happens when you bring in a kid who doesn't know that their playmates worship a guy with bleeding holes in his hands and feet, wearing what looks like a diaper and hanging from a cross
Children are able to accept a lot more than we give them credit for if given context and support.
Yes- if you give children the right "context and support" they would probably be willing to do or think a lot of things they would never come up with on their own.
They might accept that beating their mother was OK if they saw their father doing it, or might think smoking was OK if they saw Mom doing it. With the right context and support kids could learn to hate certain groups of people only because their parents taught them to.
They might also determine, with their parents help, that hey should worship a guy whose father sent him here to die for our sins -- briefly -- after which he resuscitated and went to heaven where he now judges us to determine whether we rate an eternity in heaven with him and his father who came up with this whole salvation scheme. If not, we suffer forever. Many children have accepted this, with context and support from their parents -- at least while they were children.
Well, we all get to teach our children what we believe in. I don't see religion as the unholy mess you do, so I feel good about sharing it with them.
Obviously you wouldn't. So I guess that's that.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 21:13
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.
Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross
My DC handle Stations of the Cross just fine as does every other child I see there.
Of course, they're used to it. See what happens when you bring in a kid who doesn't know that their playmates worship a guy with bleeding holes in his hands and feet, wearing what looks like a diaper and hanging from a cross
Children are able to accept a lot more than we give them credit for if given context and support.
Yes- if you give children the right "context and support" they would probably be willing to do or think a lot of things they would never come up with on their own.
They might accept that beating their mother was OK if they saw their father doing it, or might think smoking was OK if they saw Mom doing it. With the right context and support kids could learn to hate certain groups of people only because their parents taught them to.
They might also determine, with their parents help, that hey should worship a guy whose father sent him here to die for our sins -- briefly -- after which he resuscitated and went to heaven where he now judges us to determine whether we rate an eternity in heaven with him and his father who came up with this whole salvation scheme. If not, we suffer forever. Many children have accepted this, with context and support from their parents -- at least while they were children.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 20:37
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Catholics are the biggest hypocrites I know.
Thankfully, I figured out how to be true to myself.
haven't looked back!
Thankfully, I figured out how to be true to myself.
haven't looked back!
Anonymous
04/08/2015 19:50
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.
Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross
The catholic day, catholic week, catholic year is all centered on the stations and crucifixion. On the suffering for us.
If thats not for you its not for you. Please don't try to sanitize the catholic church because you find it "triggering".
Just find a different religion.
Catholics are hardcore.
I'm sorry, but what? I don't know any hardcore Catholics. Please don't disparage those of us who actually try to live our faith day in and day out with that nonsense.
Really? You don't know any hardcore Catholics? Do you ever go to mass? Which Diocese?
I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 19:36
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.
Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross
My DC handle Stations of the Cross just fine as does every other child I see there.
Of course, they're used to it. See what happens when you bring in a kid who doesn't know that their playmates worship a guy with bleeding holes in his hands and feet, wearing what looks like a diaper and hanging from a cross
Children are able to accept a lot more than we give them credit for if given context and support.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 19:09
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
There is a very nice church saint atheneus- the priest there will be you at ease.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 18:43
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.
Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross
The catholic day, catholic week, catholic year is all centered on the stations and crucifixion. On the suffering for us.
If thats not for you its not for you. Please don't try to sanitize the catholic church because you find it "triggering".
Just find a different religion.
Catholics are hardcore.
I'm sorry, but what? I don't know any hardcore Catholics. Please don't disparage those of us who actually try to live our faith day in and day out with that nonsense.
Really? You don't know any hardcore Catholics? Do you ever go to mass? Which Diocese?
Anonymous
04/08/2015 17:51
Subject: Re:Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
My Presbyterian church has a beautiful wooden cross suspended from the ceiling, but no body.
Because the important thing is that he is risen, not that he was crucified.
That's nice for you.
This made me laugh.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 17:44
Subject: Re:Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:
My Presbyterian church has a beautiful wooden cross suspended from the ceiling, but no body.
Because the important thing is that he is risen, not that he was crucified.
Right. The non-corporeal cross is a Protestant thing. But not a Catholic thing. Tomato, tomahto.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 17:32
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.
Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross
The catholic day, catholic week, catholic year is all centered on the stations and crucifixion. On the suffering for us.
If thats not for you its not for you. Please don't try to sanitize the catholic church because you find it "triggering".
Just find a different religion.
Catholics are hardcore.
I'm sorry, but what? I don't know any hardcore Catholics. Please don't disparage those of us who actually try to live our faith day in and day out with that nonsense.
Get some reading comprehension skills.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 17:25
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.
Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross
My DC handle Stations of the Cross just fine as does every other child I see there.
Of course, they're used to it. See what happens when you bring in a kid who doesn't know that their playmates worship a guy with bleeding holes in his hands and feet, wearing what looks like a diaper and hanging from a cross
Lest anyone think pp is exaggerating, my 5 y.o. found a cross inside an egg at the community Easter egg hunt and exclaimed, "Yeah, a sword!" while poking his brother with the long end. So I can imagine if he saw a suffering diapered man hanging from a bloody "sword" it would scare him. OP should consider this and perhaps prepare her kids with Catholic imagery at home before bringing them to church where the crucifixes are.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 17:08
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.
Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross
My DC handle Stations of the Cross just fine as does every other child I see there.
Of course, they're used to it. See what happens when you bring in a kid who doesn't know that their playmates worship a guy with bleeding holes in his hands and feet, wearing what looks like a diaper and hanging from a cross
Anonymous
04/08/2015 16:34
Subject: Re:Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
My Presbyterian church has a beautiful wooden cross suspended from the ceiling, but no body.
Because the important thing is that he is risen, not that he was crucified.
+1
No idea why Catholics have to focus on him on the cross. If he was crucified and just died....well, they wouldn't be Christians, would they?
To drive home that feeling of guilt that keeps so many folks tied to the church. Ignore the pontiffs on their golden thrones, just keep looking at the suffering wooden Jesus because He died for you, sinner.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 15:52
Subject: Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Catholic here, and I"m surprised at the discussion of "gory crosses." Most (not all) of the crucifixes I have seen show very little or no blood. Yes, there are nails through his hands and feet, but no blood showing. In all my years as a Catholic child I never really realized or was told the gory details associated with being crucified. I was well into adulthood before it even occurred to me.
Even a little blood coming from nail holes in hands and feet is gory to someone who's not used to seeing it once a week, as big (or bigger) than life, as the centerpiece of an altar. Did you ever do the stations of the cross as a child? It's all about how Jesus was humiliated and tortured on the way to his death.
#10 is Jesus is stripped of his garments and #11 is Jesus is nailed to the cross
The catholic day, catholic week, catholic year is all centered on the stations and crucifixion. On the suffering for us.
If thats not for you its not for you. Please don't try to sanitize the catholic church because you find it "triggering".
Just find a different religion.
Catholics are hardcore.
I'm sorry, but what? I don't know any hardcore Catholics. Please don't disparage those of us who actually try to live our faith day in and day out with that nonsense.