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Anonymous wrote:Posting test questions is a serious breach - it compromises exams and increases the costs.

This kind of thing is not unusual for testing companies - I have seen a lot of different instances where social media and message forums for technical certification and professional licensure exams are monitored by the testing people to try and minimize breaches.

We don't know if this girl actually posted a full question. The allegation is that she posted something AFTER the test ABOUT one of the questions. She absolutely has a constitutional right to post about a question in some cases, if it doesn't give away the answer. If this is a question of a purported contractual confidentiality agreement between the child and Pearson, I find that very disturbing.

Exactly. Free speech certainly extends to this.

Next up is tracking us all down to silence us against speaking out about Pearson.

Err, what? Free speech extends to posting a question AFTER the test? Or if you throw the word contract in there, then the student can do anything, constitutionally-speaking?

Please pay attention. Nobody is saying that students have the right to publish actual test questions to help other students cheat. The point about the contract is separate. You can contractually agree with a private party no say or refrain from saying specific things; this has nothing to do (usually) with the First Amendment. But it would be incredibly disturbing to me if Pearson was trying to gag students from, say, criticizing the PARCC via a confidentiality agreement.

We're arguing about 2 different things here: can a student tweet a picture of a test question (no, she shouldn't have done that), and can Pearson monitor tweets and social media, looking for this?

On the latter, the answer is yes, of course they can. Last I checked social media and particularly Twitter were the very definition of public domain. Why do you think people should be able to post things to social media without consequence? That's an extremely peculiar way of thinking.

And, schools monitor the social media behavior of their students all the time. See this for a recent example: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/01/29/arlington-schools-officials-urge-students-to-keepitclean-on-twitter/

Why do you think it's improper for Pearson to monitor social media? That doesn't make any sense.

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Anonymous wrote:If PARCC is giving the same test every year, we're in deep trouble. More reasons to get rid of nCLB and Common Core.

Don't be so ridiculous. There''s nothing wrong with Common Core. And No Child Left Behind evolved out of parental panic in the 1990s that kids were falling behind academically from kids in Asia, where, you know, standards and testing are common.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with Common Core. Most of us are working hard behind the scenes to dismantle it.

Shame on you. God, I hate right-wingers.

Left wing hates it too. It will be a goner next year! I will dance on Common Core's grave.

No, this is predominately a Tea Party cause. No self-respecting liberal objects to it.

My DC in a MCPS elementary school took PARCC this week. I asked her if anyone at school told her not to talk about the test. She said no. Don't know how Pearson or MCPS would enforce no talking about the test with the elementary school kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Posting test questions is a serious breach - it compromises exams and increases the costs.

This kind of thing is not unusual for testing companies - I have seen a lot of different instances where social media and message forums for technical certification and professional licensure exams are monitored by the testing people to try and minimize breaches.

We don't know if this girl actually posted a full question. The allegation is that she posted something AFTER the test ABOUT one of the questions. She absolutely has a constitutional right to post about a question in some cases, if it doesn't give away the answer. If this is a question of a purported contractual confidentiality agreement between the child and Pearson, I find that very disturbing.

Exactly. Free speech certainly extends to this.

Next up is tracking us all down to silence us against speaking out about Pearson.

Err, what? Free speech extends to posting a question AFTER the test? Or if you throw the word contract in there, then the student can do anything, constitutionally-speaking?

Please pay attention. Nobody is saying that students have the right to publish actual test questions to help other students cheat. The point about the contract is separate. You can contractually agree with a private party no say or refrain from saying specific things; this has nothing to do (usually) with the First Amendment. But it would be incredibly disturbing to me if Pearson was trying to gag students from, say, criticizing the PARCC via a confidentiality agreement.

We're arguing about 2 different things here: can a student tweet a picture of a test question (no, she shouldn't have done that), and can Pearson monitor tweets and social media, looking for this?

Student did not post the test question. But almight Pearson and its PARCC is not to be questioned, apparently.

I love how they are running scared on their TRACX program. Weasels!

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Anonymous wrote:Posting test questions is a serious breach - it compromises exams and increases the costs.

This kind of thing is not unusual for testing companies - I have seen a lot of different instances where social media and message forums for technical certification and professional licensure exams are monitored by the testing people to try and minimize breaches.

We don't know if this girl actually posted a full question. The allegation is that she posted something AFTER the test ABOUT one of the questions. She absolutely has a constitutional right to post about a question in some cases, if it doesn't give away the answer. If this is a question of a purported contractual confidentiality agreement between the child and Pearson, I find that very disturbing.

Exactly. Free speech certainly extends to this.

Next up is tracking us all down to silence us against speaking out about Pearson.

Err, what? Free speech extends to posting a question AFTER the test? Or if you throw the word contract in there, then the student can do anything, constitutionally-speaking?

Please pay attention. Nobody is saying that students have the right to publish actual test questions to help other students cheat. The point about the contract is separate. You can contractually agree with a private party no say or refrain from saying specific things; this has nothing to do (usually) with the First Amendment. But it would be incredibly disturbing to me if Pearson was trying to gag students from, say, criticizing the PARCC via a confidentiality agreement.

We're arguing about 2 different things here: can a student tweet a picture of a test question (no, she shouldn't have done that), and can Pearson monitor tweets and social media, looking for this?

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Anonymous wrote:Posting test questions is a serious breach - it compromises exams and increases the costs.

This kind of thing is not unusual for testing companies - I have seen a lot of different instances where social media and message forums for technical certification and professional licensure exams are monitored by the testing people to try and minimize breaches.

We don't know if this girl actually posted a full question. The allegation is that she posted something AFTER the test ABOUT one of the questions. She absolutely has a constitutional right to post about a question in some cases, if it doesn't give away the answer. If this is a question of a purported contractual confidentiality agreement between the child and Pearson, I find that very disturbing.

Exactly. Free speech certainly extends to this.

Next up is tracking us all down to silence us against speaking out about Pearson.

Err, what? Free speech extends to posting a question AFTER the test? Or if you throw the word contract in there, then the student can do anything, constitutionally-speaking?

Please pay attention. Nobody is saying that students have the right to publish actual test questions to help other students cheat. The point about the contract is separate. You can contractually agree with a private party no say or refrain from saying specific things; this has nothing to do (usually) with the First Amendment. But it would be incredibly disturbing to me if Pearson was trying to gag students from, say, criticizing the PARCC via a confidentiality agreement.

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Anonymous wrote:Posting test questions is a serious breach - it compromises exams and increases the costs.

This kind of thing is not unusual for testing companies - I have seen a lot of different instances where social media and message forums for technical certification and professional licensure exams are monitored by the testing people to try and minimize breaches.

We don't know if this girl actually posted a full question. The allegation is that she posted something AFTER the test ABOUT one of the questions. She absolutely has a constitutional right to post about a question in some cases, if it doesn't give away the answer. If this is a question of a purported contractual confidentiality agreement between the child and Pearson, I find that very disturbing.

"Constitutional rights" and the First Amendment doesn't extend a blue-sky license to say or post whatever you like. For example, it is still illegal to engage in libel, slander, to make false claims about products, to misrepresent yourself as a law enforcement officer or many other things, to threaten to kill someone or harm people or property, et cetera.

Your point is? All 1st Amendment rights have exceptions - that's not the question here. I'm not saying student should be allowed to post test questions to allow other's to cheat.

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Anonymous wrote:I fail to see the problem with this. The kids should understand that what they post has consequences. It would be one thing if they hacked into private accounts or something, but if they're posting stuff publicly, they have to face the consequences. It's not like students have freedom or speech or anything.

Of course they have freedom of speech.

No, they don't. See Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier.

Are you a 1L? Students may have reduced 1st Amendment rights in some cases, but they certainly retain 1st Amendment rights. Especially for speech outside of school.

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Anonymous wrote:If PARCC is giving the same test every year, we're in deep trouble. More reasons to get rid of nCLB and Common Core.

Don't be so ridiculous. There''s nothing wrong with Common Core. And No Child Left Behind evolved out of parental panic in the 1990s that kids were falling behind academically from kids in Asia, where, you know, standards and testing are common.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with Common Core. Most of us are working hard behind the scenes to dismantle it.

Shame on you. God, I hate right-wingers.

Left wing hates it too. It will be a goner next year! I will dance on Common Core's grave.

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Anonymous wrote:If PARCC is giving the same test every year, we're in deep trouble. More reasons to get rid of nCLB and Common Core.

Don't be so ridiculous. There''s nothing wrong with Common Core. And No Child Left Behind evolved out of parental panic in the 1990s that kids were falling behind academically from kids in Asia, where, you know, standards and testing are common.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with Common Core. Most of us are working hard behind the scenes to dismantle it.

Shame on you. God, I hate right-wingers.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posting test questions is a serious breach - it compromises exams and increases the costs.

This kind of thing is not unusual for testing companies - I have seen a lot of different instances where social media and message forums for technical certification and professional licensure exams are monitored by the testing people to try and minimize breaches.

We don't know if this girl actually posted a full question. The allegation is that she posted something AFTER the test ABOUT one of the questions. She absolutely has a constitutional right to post about a question in some cases, if it doesn't give away the answer. If this is a question of a purported contractual confidentiality agreement between the child and Pearson, I find that very disturbing.

Exactly. Free speech certainly extends to this.

Next up is tracking us all down to silence us against speaking out about Pearson.

Err, what? Free speech extends to posting a question AFTER the test? Or if you throw the word contract in there, then the student can do anything, constitutionally-speaking?

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Anonymous wrote:If PARCC is giving the same test every year, we're in deep trouble. More reasons to get rid of nCLB and Common Core.

Don't be so ridiculous. There''s nothing wrong with Common Core. And No Child Left Behind evolved out of parental panic in the 1990s that kids were falling behind academically from kids in Asia, where, you know, standards and testing are common.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with Common Core. Most of us are working hard behind the scenes to dismantle it.

Oh, please, drama queen.

There's already an entire 100+ page thread where posters repeatedly tried getting specifics of what's "wrong" with Common Core out of you but all anyone could ever get was 2 or 3 examples of standards that you thought were "poorly worded" despite other several posters being able to explain what they meant.

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Anonymous wrote:Posting test questions is a serious breach - it compromises exams and increases the costs.

This kind of thing is not unusual for testing companies - I have seen a lot of different instances where social media and message forums for technical certification and professional licensure exams are monitored by the testing people to try and minimize breaches.

We don't know if this girl actually posted a full question. The allegation is that she posted something AFTER the test ABOUT one of the questions. She absolutely has a constitutional right to post about a question in some cases, if it doesn't give away the answer. If this is a question of a purported contractual confidentiality agreement between the child and Pearson, I find that very disturbing.

Exactly. Free speech certainly extends to this.

Next up is tracking us all down to silence us against speaking out about Pearson.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If PARCC is giving the same test every year, we're in deep trouble. More reasons to get rid of nCLB and Common Core.

Don't be so ridiculous. There''s nothing wrong with Common Core. And No Child Left Behind evolved out of parental panic in the 1990s that kids were falling behind academically from kids in Asia, where, you know, standards and testing are common.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with Common Core. Most of us are working hard behind the scenes to dismantle it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posting test questions is a serious breach - it compromises exams and increases the costs.

This kind of thing is not unusual for testing companies - I have seen a lot of different instances where social media and message forums for technical certification and professional licensure exams are monitored by the testing people to try and minimize breaches.

We don't know if this girl actually posted a full question. The allegation is that she posted something AFTER the test ABOUT one of the questions. She absolutely has a constitutional right to post about a question in some cases, if it doesn't give away the answer. If this is a question of a purported contractual confidentiality agreement between the child and Pearson, I find that very disturbing.

"Constitutional rights" and the First Amendment doesn't extend a blue-sky license to say or post whatever you like. For example, it is still illegal to engage in libel, slander, to make false claims about products, to misrepresent yourself as a law enforcement officer or many other things, to threaten to kill someone or harm people or property, et cetera.