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Anonymous wrote:Well, I will not be joining Planet Fitness.

A gender neutral changing room is in order. Simple as that. And I'm sure the transgendered wouldn't mind that either.

Yes - because a business MUST cater to a tiny fraction of society.

I should've prefaced by saying I actually agree with you about not joining Planet Fitness until they get gender neutral rooms. It's about comfort for EVERYONE involved. I, personally, would have felt very, very uncomfortable if I found a man in the changing room. I could less than a good damn what anyone thinks.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Lord. What is this world coming to?
We need to be sure that people FEEL good. We need to help people FEEL included. We need to acknowledge the FEELINGS of others.
Damn the FEELINGS of the woman who was shocked to see a man, YES, A MAN, in the woman’s locker room.
Planet Fitness will change its policy when some woman is raped in the locker room by a man posing as a transgender person.

I was reading the thread to see if someone brought this up.

This is truth - this will work until someone gets hurt. Then its all over.

Well, now all the timid souls who are sooooooooo scared of transgender women* know to avoid Planet Fitness.

*Wanna guess how many transgender women have been hurt or killed by the non-transgender, as opposed to the reverse? No? Facts bother you? Oh well.

Did she see a penis? I am trying to understand her outrage.

This is suh BS. What is "sincere, self-reported gender identity?" What if I am NOT "sincere" in how I report my gender identity? Would that change things?

If I am at the gym, I don't care what the person standing next to me in the shower line calls themselves, or feels like they are today. If he has a male body, he does not belong in my locker room.

This is going way overboard. Everyone thinks about the feelings of transgender people, but other people's feelings don't count, hu? As a woman with sexual abuse experiences it is extremely difficult for me to go to the gym anyway - having to deal with male genitals in the women's locker room is not okay. I agree that transgender people deserve a place to change, but as long as they have male genitals that place is not in the women's locker room. Or they can go to the women's room but keep their genitals covered. There is a reason male and female locker rooms are separated. Times are changing but that does NOT mean, that woman who have a problem looking at the genitals of strangers in places where they should be able to feel safely under people of the same sex are in the wrong. Not okay at all.

Transgendered,mused to describe someone, is grammatically correct. Transgender is not. Adjective vs. noun.

We are aged
Educated
cultured
And gendered.

I am a female-gendered person. My gender is female.

But I will call you what you want, as much as it pains me.

How many of those defending a grown man entering the womens room because he identifies as female, would flip out if a mom brought her 5 year old son in?

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Anonymous wrote:That said, I stand corrected for an incorrect term. Just like African Americans don't like being called the 'N' word, you certainly have the right to define what you should be called. I agree with that. Transgender it is.

As a white male, I am exercising my right to define what I should be called, and henceforth it shall be "boss" or "massa'.

LOL!!

Anonymous wrote:That said, I stand corrected for an incorrect term. Just like African Americans don't like being called the 'N' word, you certainly have the right to define what you should be called. I agree with that. Transgender it is.

As a white male, I am exercising my right to define what I should be called, and henceforth it shall be "boss" or "massa'.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Lord. What is this world coming to?
We need to be sure that people FEEL good. We need to help people FEEL included. We need to acknowledge the FEELINGS of others.
Damn the FEELINGS of the woman who was shocked to see a man, YES, A MAN, in the woman’s locker room.
Planet Fitness will change its policy when some woman is raped in the locker room by a man posing as a transgender person.

I'm shocked to see someone wear crocs - doesn't give me the right to dictate where they can and cannot go.

If the person isn't harming you (and simply by existing, a transgender person isn't harming you), then you need to get over your weird hangups or make your own changes.

And no, the person was not a man, but a transgender woman. Most educated people know that gender resides in the brain; but dinosaurs generally aren't very bright.

You cannot read someone's mind to know they are transgender. People go by sight especially if a transgender is visually male. Most educated and non-educated people perceive visually. That's a fact.

Who is this "people" you're talking about?

Thankfully, humanity is evolving regarding antiquated ideas about gender and sexuality.

Oh, please. Most women are going to high tail it out of a restroom or changing room if they see a 'man' in there. I would tell my teen girls to get out as quickly as possible as you can't be sure. What? Are they supposed to stop and have a conversation about the evolution of antiquated ideas about gender and sexuality with a strange man in the bathroom?

No. But maybe you could be a parent and talk to them about having greater empathy and understanding.

I think most women - including myself - can distinguish between someone minding their own business, and a creep. And that includes other women in the locker room getting obsessed with the genitals of the people in there.

Honest question - where do you think lesbians should change or go to the bathroom?

I bet Ted Bundy’s victims would not agree with you. That is, if they were alive to talk.

Ok, what? You go from not trusting transgender people, and comparing the predicament of sharing a locker room with them to serial killers? Good god I can't wait till the dinosaurs die off already.

The reference to Bundy was in response to your comment about women being able to identify a creep.
Come on now, keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Lord. What is this world coming to?
We need to be sure that people FEEL good. We need to help people FEEL included. We need to acknowledge the FEELINGS of others.
Damn the FEELINGS of the woman who was shocked to see a man, YES, A MAN, in the woman’s locker room.
Planet Fitness will change its policy when some woman is raped in the locker room by a man posing as a transgender person.

I'm shocked to see someone wear crocs - doesn't give me the right to dictate where they can and cannot go.

If the person isn't harming you (and simply by existing, a transgender person isn't harming you), then you need to get over your weird hangups or make your own changes.

And no, the person was not a man, but a transgender woman. Most educated people know that gender resides in the brain; but dinosaurs generally aren't very bright.

You cannot read someone's mind to know they are transgender. People go by sight especially if a transgender is visually male. Most educated and non-educated people perceive visually. That's a fact.

Who is this "people" you're talking about?

Thankfully, humanity is evolving regarding antiquated ideas about gender and sexuality.

Oh, please. Most women are going to high tail it out of a restroom or changing room if they see a 'man' in there. I would tell my teen girls to get out as quickly as possible as you can't be sure. What? Are they supposed to stop and have a conversation about the evolution of antiquated ideas about gender and sexuality with a strange man in the bathroom?

No. But maybe you could be a parent and talk to them about having greater empathy and understanding.

I think most women - including myself - can distinguish between someone minding their own business, and a creep. And that includes other women in the locker room getting obsessed with the genitals of the people in there.

Honest question - where do you think lesbians should change or go to the bathroom?

I bet Ted Bundy’s victims would not agree with you. That is, if they were alive to talk.

Ok, what? You go from not trusting transgender people, and comparing the predicament of sharing a locker room with them to serial killers? Good god I can't wait till the dinosaurs die off already.

I trust you know there are a whole lot of people who want you and your train of thought to die off eventually (present company excluded because I don't give a damn)?

And I also think the Ted Bundy analogy was a bit over the top.

Anonymous wrote:If the person isn't harming you (and simply by existing, a transgender person isn't harming you), then you need to get over your weird hangups or make your own changes.

OK, so by the same logic, you have no problem with a heterosexual man changing in the women's locker room and using women's restrooms, because he isn't harming you. He is "simply existing".

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I will not be joining Planet Fitness.

A gender neutral changing room is in order. Simple as that. And I'm sure the transgendered wouldn't mind that either.

The term is transgender, not "transgendered." I don't think you're in a position to assume what someone who is transgender would or would not mind. They can probably speak for themselves.

However, most women are in a position to raise their radar when a man is in the restroom, transgender or not. You are certainly not in any position to speak for women who have every right to have their radar up.

That said, I stand corrected for an incorrect term. Just like African Americans don't like being called the 'N' word, you certainly have the right to define what you should be called. I agree with that. Transgender it is.

The tomboy-looking lesbians I know have been told to leave the restroom by other women in there. You people need to deal with your own issues. People who aren't just like you still need to use the restroom and locker rooms.