Anonymous wrote:OP it reads from your post that your child has not "yet" been admitted to the "top Ivy" you desired for him or her, and that you are attributing "tips" as the reason that some of her/his classmates were admitted early, while he or she was deferred.

First, your child will likely be admitted to one or more of the good schools they applied to, in the regular round. Second, please realize that there are so many good colleges and universities where your child will thrive and succeed, aside from the "top Ivies". And third, please do not discuss your "tip" theory around your great student, because you do not want to pass on your own personal insecurities or resentment to him or her.

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It is really hard for an outsider to know just what learning disabilities a child may have and how they are affected. Sometimes they don't show up until middle school or later. Sometimes there is an ongoing process (that may last years) of experimenting with different types of accommodations, medications, or other methods to figure out the best way to address them. Yes, there are probably some people who try to game the system, but that doesn't mean you should cast aspersions on everyone who needs help. Consider yourself lucky that you are not the one dealing with this on a daily basis.

1. Not the norm for undergrad admissions.
2. Thus far, people have reacted negatively to everything that they have perceived as giving an advantage to someone else's child in college admissions, most notably educational accommodations for students who have a learning difference/issue. No reason to think the whack-jobs won't come out of the woodwork and claim that teens identifying as LGBTQ are trying to game the system. Debunking the idea that LGBTQ status is a hook will help forestall the backlash that has arisen with every other hook.

No one even cares about these whack jobs completely blinded to centuries of affirmative action, preference, entitlement, tips and hooks because of Anglo ancestry. These fools invented and created this long standing system they are suddenly up in arms with!

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Anonymous wrote:A few thoughts.
1) extra time is not an advantage if it is proportional and legit to a dress a learning disability. It is supposed to be compensation for a deficit. But, I agree the system needs reform. Kids usually get a round block od extra time without proof that it is proportional to the need - in other words, if a deficit warrants an extra 10 minutes that kid likely will get 30 min or 60 min more- or no extra time at all.
2) but OP's point that privates stack their schools with students with hooks is well taken. It is one way they try to ensure that their college placements exceed averages. Of course, the best advantage is just an inredibly self-motivated student with insane talent and supportive parents with an interest and means of suportting the child in any way possible.

The other problem is that many parents have seized unfair timing advantages for their non-disabled kids by paying a "specialist" to label their kid with some specious disorder. It throws the whole practice into disrepute - too many aggressive parents gaming the system.

My high-IQ kid has a language-based learning disability that interferes mightily with her ability to demonstrate what she knows. I would give just about anything to make it go away, but it never will. Some extra time on a test allows her to come closer to her potential and helps her not dissolve into a puddle of anxiety and self-loathing. But that in no way affects your kid.

+1 Exactly! The people complaining about "aggressive parents" have no idea what it is like to have a child with difficulties in learning. We have worked long and hard to get our kids to a place where they can live up to their full potential. I will never understand why this upsets parents. At the same time I'm more than confident that they wouldn't care if our kids were left out in the cold with their problems as long as their precious little snowflake was able to get ahead….my child being given an accommodation (after extensive and expensive testing) should in no way affect your child's ability. Besides, my child's private will not allow any accommodations unless they are fully diagnosed by a licensed professional after a series of tests and any private that is allowing parents to make the rules should be in question - maybe that is the bigger issue.

But it does affect the grades other kids get. There are curves, and when some students are required to think and articulate quickly, and others are not, they aren't competing on a level playing field. And part of performance and learning in high school is competing with your classmates, much as we hate to say that out loud. Just like I have colleagues I adore but with whom I am also in competition. What child would not benefit greatly from extra time to think and organize his to present his of her analysis. Your dd may want the time due to whatever her issue may be, but in the meantime she Leo gets a benefit that other kids do not. Part of timed tests is the ability to perform under pressure and time constraints. When those constraints evaporate, all students would be expected to perform better.

You're simply wrong and that may be because you don't understand what a language-based LD is. If a child has an LD such as dyslexia, she's using that extra time to read because her brain is wired differently than that of most people. It has nothing to do with not being able to "think and articulate quickly." Maybe you're talking about parents seeking an ADHD diagnosis so their kids get extra time or meds they may not need, but that's a different animal.

16:11, have you or your kid ever taken IQ tests? Do you have any idea how LDs are diagnosed?

OP sounds like a world class weirdo - Yale must have some real duds!

Anonymous wrote:DCUM must be asleep because the girl from Yale admitted she might be outdated.

All Yale grads are kind of outdated. You can recognize the men by their round glasses and striped Oxford cloth shirts. Really.

OP it reads from your post that your child has not "yet" been admitted to the "top Ivy" you desired for him or her, and that you are attributing "tips" as the reason that some of her/his classmates were admitted early, while he or she was deferred.

First, your child will likely be admitted to one or more of the good schools they applied to, in the regular round. Second, please realize that there are so many good colleges and universities where your child will thrive and succeed, aside from the "top Ivies". And third, please do not discuss your "tip" theory around your great student, because you do not want to pass on your own personal insecurities or resentment to him or her.

Anonymous wrote:Some schools have added it as a category- and that isn't gay bashing. Johns hopkins medical school has added it- and other schools have as well. there is nothing green eyed about a fact!!

Medical school is different than undergrad. If I recall correctly, Hopkins and/or some others have made a point of noting that they want to increase certain populations because there are not enough med students with an interest in/sensitive to medical needs of certain communities, such as people who are transgender. This makes perfect sense Not long ago, med schools said the same thing about women -- and now we are beginning to see more attention paid to women's cardiac and other health issues where research protocols focused mostly on men may not be perfect proxies. Yes, an undergraduate program I also interested in having a diverse population of students with different views, etc., but that is coming at it from a bit less concrete angle. The med school example is more pragmatic -- like being sure you don't have an all white police force in a town that has a large non-white population. It makes for more successful policing.

Anonymous wrote:Some schools have added it as a category- and that isn't gay bashing. Johns hopkins medical school has added it- and other schools have as well. there is nothing green eyed about a fact!!

1. Not the norm for undergrad admissions.
2. Thus far, people have reacted negatively to everything that they have perceived as giving an advantage to someone else's child in college admissions, most notably educational accommodations for students who have a learning difference/issue. No reason to think the whack-jobs won't come out of the woodwork and claim that teens identifying as LGBTQ are trying to game the system. Debunking the idea that LGBTQ status is a hook will help forestall the backlash that has arisen with every other hook.

Some schools have added it as a category- and that isn't gay bashing. Johns hopkins medical school has added it- and other schools have as well. there is nothing green eyed about a fact!!

We left private in part so we wouldn't have to deal with all the Ivy obsessed parents. The OP really seems consumed by this.

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Anonymous wrote:The term is "hook," not "tip." Also, many of you don't seem to understand what's considered a hook and what isn't.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-michele-hernandez/10-secrets-for-top-colleg_b_1921183.html

This article was written in 2012- lgbtq is currently a hook, along with any kind of trans situation.

Being LGBTQ is not considered an under-represented minority. While many elite colleges are very gay-friendly (which is a good thing), that's different from getting a structural advantage in admissions (as is the case with recruited athletes/legacies/under-represented racial/ethnic minorities). Of course, a student's life story can be compelling, so an individual student who is LGBTQ could have a compelling story of overcoming hardship or finding the student's voice. But the status itself is not a "hook." So no need to add gay-bashing to the other intolerance shown by the green-eyed monsters who've emerged on this thread.

DCUM must be asleep because the girl from Yale admitted she might be outdated.

Anonymous wrote:The term is "hook," not "tip." Also, many of you don't seem to understand what's considered a hook and what isn't.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-michele-hernandez/10-secrets-for-top-colleg_b_1921183.html

This article was written in 2012- lgbtq is currently a hook, along with any kind of trans situation.

when I went to Yale it was called a tip- sorry!!