Anonymous
Post 02/14/2015 16:13     Subject: Re:I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP. The Russian-backed war crimes happening now in Ukraine (and the Russian-backed war crimes that happened last year during Euromaidan) should NOT be allowed to happen by the government of any modern nation who desires a more peaceful world.

I am American, but I live in Kiev, where I teach at one of the three international schools. This is my second year here. Trust me, the Western media did not/does not communicate everything/the whole situation (not sure why, but what I saw here is chilling).


Allowed to happen???

So should we have the people's court decide?
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2015 15:39     Subject: Re:I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
I agree with the PP. The Russian-backed war crimes happening now in Ukraine (and the Russian-backed war crimes that happened last year during Euromaidan) should NOT be allowed to happen by the government of any modern nation who desires a more peaceful world.

I am American, but I live in Kiev, where I teach at one of the three international schools. This is my second year here. Trust me, the Western media did not/does not communicate everything/the whole situation (not sure why, but what I saw here is chilling).
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2015 13:34     Subject: Re:I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
The war crimes being perpetrated by Russia in Ukraine right now should never be supported by the US Government.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2015 13:31     Subject: I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? They declared independence with a 90% yes vote, including 56% of crimea. They are not part of Russia because they formally declared it so.


what does this even mean? If the South voted to secede, do we care?


We certainly cared at one point.


The analogy is flawed. The south was never a separate nation. Ukraine was a distinct nationality from the mid 1700s.


No. Part of the Russian Empire, controlled by the Czar unil 1917, part of the USSR, controlled by Moscow, until 1990something.l

I thought is was part of Lithuania prior to Treaty of Pereyaslav, which did not support a permanent subjection to the Russian state
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2015 13:21     Subject: I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? They declared independence with a 90% yes vote, including 56% of crimea. They are not part of Russia because they formally declared it so.


what does this even mean? If the South voted to secede, do we care?


We certainly cared at one point.


The analogy is flawed. The south was never a separate nation. Ukraine was a distinct nationality from the mid 1700s.


No. Part of the Russian Empire, controlled by the Czar unil 1917, part of the USSR, controlled by Moscow, until 1990something.l


You do not seem to understand the difference between a nation and a state.


Point is, maybe 20 of the last 700 years has the Ukraine been able to make any decisions separate from Russia


That does not mean that they have no national identity. They do. And their lack of success at obtaining independence does not diminish it. This is distinct from the American South. Thus, the analogy does not work.


its a flawed analogy, but the Ukraine has only been independent for a brief instance. They are undeniably within the Russian sphere of influence. I think we need to defer to Russia here. Now we are much more powerful and more rich than Russia, and Russia is trending downwards, but you need to pick your battles.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2015 13:18     Subject: I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? They declared independence with a 90% yes vote, including 56% of crimea. They are not part of Russia because they formally declared it so.


what does this even mean? If the South voted to secede, do we care?


We certainly cared at one point.


The analogy is flawed. The south was never a separate nation. Ukraine was a distinct nationality from the mid 1700s.


No. Part of the Russian Empire, controlled by the Czar unil 1917, part of the USSR, controlled by Moscow, until 1990something.l


You do not seem to understand the difference between a nation and a state.


Point is, maybe 20 of the last 700 years has the Ukraine been able to make any decisions separate from Russia


That does not mean that they have no national identity. They do. And their lack of success at obtaining independence does not diminish it. This is distinct from the American South. Thus, the analogy does not work.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2015 13:04     Subject: I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
Anonymous wrote:So let Russia re-establish the USSR sans -who exactly?

Who would you condemn to live behind the new Iron Curtain based on your perception of a Russian sphere of influence?

And how would you feel about us re-implementing the Monroe doctrine?


uhhh - it never left.

if any major power encroached on our hemisphere, we would be sending out a carrier or sub group.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2015 10:30     Subject: Re:I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
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Anonymous wrote:I consider Alaska is part of the Russia.


They sold it dumbass. Seward's folly/icebox


As a Russian, I think Russia should have just bought Crimea if it wanted it that much. Apparently Crimeans would not mind, and given Ukrainian debt, Kiev could agree as well. The way Russia annexed Crimea is humiliating for Ukraine, and plain shameful and embarrassing for Russia.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2015 10:06     Subject: I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? They declared independence with a 90% yes vote, including 56% of crimea. They are not part of Russia because they formally declared it so.


what does this even mean? If the South voted to secede, do we care?


We certainly cared at one point.


The analogy is flawed. The south was never a separate nation. Ukraine was a distinct nationality from the mid 1700s.


No. Part of the Russian Empire, controlled by the Czar unil 1917, part of the USSR, controlled by Moscow, until 1990something.l


You do not seem to understand the difference between a nation and a state.


Point is, maybe 20 of the last 700 years has the Ukraine been able to make any decisions separate from Russia
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2015 09:16     Subject: I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? They declared independence with a 90% yes vote, including 56% of crimea. They are not part of Russia because they formally declared it so.


what does this even mean? If the South voted to secede, do we care?


We certainly cared at one point.


The analogy is flawed. The south was never a separate nation. Ukraine was a distinct nationality from the mid 1700s.


No. Part of the Russian Empire, controlled by the Czar unil 1917, part of the USSR, controlled by Moscow, until 1990something.l


You do not seem to understand the difference between a nation and a state.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2015 00:16     Subject: I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? They declared independence with a 90% yes vote, including 56% of crimea. They are not part of Russia because they formally declared it so.


what does this even mean? If the South voted to secede, do we care?


We certainly cared at one point.


The analogy is flawed. The south was never a separate nation. Ukraine was a distinct nationality from the mid 1700s.


No. Part of the Russian Empire, controlled by the Czar unil 1917, part of the USSR, controlled by Moscow, until 1990something.l
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Post 02/13/2015 21:57     Subject: I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? They declared independence with a 90% yes vote, including 56% of crimea. They are not part of Russia because they formally declared it so.


what does this even mean? If the South voted to secede, do we care?


We certainly cared at one point.


The analogy is flawed. The south was never a separate nation. Ukraine was a distinct nationality from the mid 1700s.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2015 21:56     Subject: Re:I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
Anonymous wrote:I consider Alaska is part of the Russia.


They sold it dumbass. Seward's folly/icebox
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2015 21:45     Subject: Re:I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
I consider Alaska is part of the Russia.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2015 13:54     Subject: I consider Crimea, and really the Ukraine, as part of Russia
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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? They declared independence with a 90% yes vote, including 56% of crimea. They are not part of Russia because they formally declared it so.


what does this even mean? If the South voted to secede, do we care?


We certainly cared at one point.


LOL! Probably wouldn't care as much now Russia should've said something a while ago when Crimea voted to break off and go as part of Ukraine. I know, they weren't in a place to do so. But, it's not right that years later they come back and forcibly try to take it.


That's not what happened. It was an internal ussr thing.