Anonymous
02/11/2015 12:30
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As with many other situations no matter the political/religious views and/or ethnicity of the victims / perpetrator, this is looking more and more like a specific scenario. Could anything be more local than parking issues? No need to politicize this.
Well, you know, they were executed. So.
A parking dispute and religious hatred are not mutually-exclusive. I sort of get your obsession with the term "execution-style" killing because you may think I am comparing it to the beheadings that have received so much publicity. That was not my intention. To me, when three unsuspecting and defenseless people are shot at point-blank range inside their own home, "execution-style" is an appropriate description.
This seems inconsistent with your arguments that ISIS is not motivated by religion. You're arguing on one hand that ISIS has nothing to do with religious hatred, but on the other hand that these poor people were killed by religious hatred.
Please quote where I said that ISIS is not motivated by religion. I did not say it. My argument in the other thread was that religious texts are not the most important factor in understanding a religion. Rather, understanding how the religion is practiced on a day to day basis is more important. Religions are adapted to the needs of their practitioners. ISIS has multiple motivations and I am not sure that religion is the primary one of those motivations, but it is certainly among them. However, their religious motivation comes form Wahhabism.
As for this case, if there was a parking dispute -- and this seems like a very unlikely resolution of such a thing -- would the outcome have been the same if the dispute were with three atheists or there people whose religion could not be determined? What is known is that someone with strongly-held religious views killed people who were identifiably religious. I don't know what motivated him, but I am doubtful that their religion didn't have a role.
You have no idea what the killer's motives were and you should not speculate on what they are at this point!
Anonymous
02/11/2015 12:21
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
Anonymous wrote:Fox News Headline:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/11/north-carolina-man-charged-in-shooting-death-three-people/
pp here complaining about Jeff's use of the term "execution-style" killing. You will forgive me for not caring what Fox News says about this. It's not a reliable news organization. Its key sin of omission in that story is failing to acknowledge that authorities are in fact investigating whether it was a hate crime. Like Jeff, Fox News is trying to frame a debate. I'm equally unimpressed with them.
Anonymous
02/11/2015 12:18
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:While it's interesting that you've come to the conclusion that this was motivated by hate, Jeff, it bears pointing out that the authorities investigating the case have not yet said this.
But, since you know it was a "point-blank" "execution-style" murder, I guess you know all the facts already.
I don't know what the motivation is, but hate is certainly a possibility. Why have you ruled it out? Do you have all the facts?
The motivation for the killings have nothing to do with the method of the killings. I am not sure why you are even suggesting their is a connection. Could not someone be shot point-blank in the head in execution style over a parking dispute?
I have not ruled out anything. But I'm not the one starting threads describing a scene as if I were an eyeball witness. You're the one embellishing here. First you had "execution style." Then you had "point-blank range." Could that have happened? Sure. But no one has said it did ... except for you and some very emotional people on social media. And, rather than be responsible and edit your thread so take down the inflammatory descriptions that are not attributable to anyone, you have doubled down on them as facts. Why? To fuel the speculation that this was a hate crime.
It may very well turn out to be one. But we are not there yet. You're creating/repeating a narrative where there very well not be one.
Anonymous
02/11/2015 12:13
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
jsteele
02/11/2015 12:10
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
Anonymous wrote:While it's interesting that you've come to the conclusion that this was motivated by hate, Jeff, it bears pointing out that the authorities investigating the case have not yet said this.
But, since you know it was a "point-blank" "execution-style" murder, I guess you know all the facts already.
I don't know what the motivation is, but hate is certainly a possibility. Why have you ruled it out? Do you have all the facts?
The motivation for the killings have nothing to do with the method of the killings. I am not sure why you are even suggesting their is a connection. Could not someone be shot point-blank in the head in execution style over a parking dispute?
Anonymous
02/11/2015 12:07
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
Interesting though....
When people on here said that the NY cop killer was just a crazed loon who just so happened to attribute his acts to anit- police sentiment, some of y'all swore that he was incited by the Black Lives Matter movement, Sharpton, etc. Now, you have a White guy who had anti-religion stuff on his social media and killed Muslims, and you are saying the guy was just a crazed loon.
Who wants to have it both ways?
When people on here said that the NY cop killer was just a crazed loon who just so happened to attribute his acts to anit- police sentiment, some of y'all swore that he was incited by the Black Lives Matter movement, Sharpton, etc. Now, you have a White guy who had anti-religion stuff on his social media and killed Muslims, and you are saying the guy was just a crazed loon.
Who wants to have it both ways?
Anonymous
02/11/2015 12:04
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
While it's interesting that you've come to the conclusion that this was motivated by hate, Jeff, it bears pointing out that the authorities investigating the case have not yet said this.
But, since you know it was a "point-blank" "execution-style" murder, I guess you know all the facts already.
But, since you know it was a "point-blank" "execution-style" murder, I guess you know all the facts already.
jsteele
02/11/2015 12:03
Subject: Re:Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why in political thread? Sad crime, but crime happens.
I put it in the Political Forum because there are idiots who believe that if a radical anti-religious freak murders three Muslims, it is simply a "sad crime".
Looking at his facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/craig.hicks.967/likes?pnref=lhc
I see in addition to being an athiest he's a fan of Rachel Maddow, "Forward Progressives", lots of LTGB causes, and apart from guns not one conservative like. So good job Liberals on spawning this Progressive Athiest hate attack. /sarc
Yes, it's true. People like Bill Maher, Sam Harris, and Richard Dawkins have made anti-Islamic bigotry acceptable among progressives.
jsteele
02/11/2015 12:01
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As with many other situations no matter the political/religious views and/or ethnicity of the victims / perpetrator, this is looking more and more like a specific scenario. Could anything be more local than parking issues? No need to politicize this.
Well, you know, they were executed. So.
A parking dispute and religious hatred are not mutually-exclusive. I sort of get your obsession with the term "execution-style" killing because you may think I am comparing it to the beheadings that have received so much publicity. That was not my intention. To me, when three unsuspecting and defenseless people are shot at point-blank range inside their own home, "execution-style" is an appropriate description.
This seems inconsistent with your arguments that ISIS is not motivated by religion. You're arguing on one hand that ISIS has nothing to do with religious hatred, but on the other hand that these poor people were killed by religious hatred.
unfortunately, the OP has some blind spots in this regard. Cannot have it both ways.
He also argues the Jewish deli shooting was not motivated by religion. But the Chapel Hill murders are.
You are lying. I wrote multiple times that the deli was targeted because it was Jewish. Why would you lie about something that can easily be shown to be a lie?
Anonymous
02/11/2015 12:01
Subject: Re:Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why in political thread? Sad crime, but crime happens.
I put it in the Political Forum because there are idiots who believe that if a radical anti-religious freak murders three Muslims, it is simply a "sad crime".
Looking at his facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/craig.hicks.967/likes?pnref=lhc
I see in addition to being an athiest he's a fan of Rachel Maddow, "Forward Progressives", lots of LTGB causes, and apart from guns not one conservative like. So good job Liberals on spawning this Progressive Athiest hate attack. /sarc
jsteele
02/11/2015 11:59
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As with many other situations no matter the political/religious views and/or ethnicity of the victims / perpetrator, this is looking more and more like a specific scenario. Could anything be more local than parking issues? No need to politicize this.
Well, you know, they were executed. So.
A parking dispute and religious hatred are not mutually-exclusive. I sort of get your obsession with the term "execution-style" killing because you may think I am comparing it to the beheadings that have received so much publicity. That was not my intention. To me, when three unsuspecting and defenseless people are shot at point-blank range inside their own home, "execution-style" is an appropriate description.
This seems inconsistent with your arguments that ISIS is not motivated by religion. You're arguing on one hand that ISIS has nothing to do with religious hatred, but on the other hand that these poor people were killed by religious hatred.
Please quote where I said that ISIS is not motivated by religion. I did not say it. My argument in the other thread was that religious texts are not the most important factor in understanding a religion. Rather, understanding how the religion is practiced on a day to day basis is more important. Religions are adapted to the needs of their practitioners. ISIS has multiple motivations and I am not sure that religion is the primary one of those motivations, but it is certainly among them. However, their religious motivation comes form Wahhabism.
As for this case, if there was a parking dispute -- and this seems like a very unlikely resolution of such a thing -- would the outcome have been the same if the dispute were with three atheists or there people whose religion could not be determined? What is known is that someone with strongly-held religious views killed people who were identifiably religious. I don't know what motivated him, but I am doubtful that their religion didn't have a role.
Anonymous
02/11/2015 11:54
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
The USA Today story says there was a long-standing dispute over a parking spot. It also says authorities are investigating whether it is a hate crime.
But it's equally possible that this is just a really nasty Hatfield-McCoy situation. A case of generalized rage.
So, yeah, let's stop with the speculation and the hyperbole about "execution-style" and "point-blank" range.
But it's equally possible that this is just a really nasty Hatfield-McCoy situation. A case of generalized rage.
So, yeah, let's stop with the speculation and the hyperbole about "execution-style" and "point-blank" range.
Anonymous
02/11/2015 11:53
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
Sure it was not about religion, just like shooting a kid about loud music is not about race.
I have seen this a dozen times. "How dare those [insert group here] do that to me. Who do they think they are?? I will show them!"
The fact they were Muslim may not have been the primary reason, but I am sure it factored into his rage. There is no doubt in my mind.
I have seen this a dozen times. "How dare those [insert group here] do that to me. Who do they think they are?? I will show them!"
The fact they were Muslim may not have been the primary reason, but I am sure it factored into his rage. There is no doubt in my mind.
Anonymous
02/11/2015 11:51
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As with many other situations no matter the political/religious views and/or ethnicity of the victims / perpetrator, this is looking more and more like a specific scenario. Could anything be more local than parking issues? No need to politicize this.
Well, you know, they were executed. So.
A parking dispute and religious hatred are not mutually-exclusive. I sort of get your obsession with the term "execution-style" killing because you may think I am comparing it to the beheadings that have received so much publicity. That was not my intention. To me, when three unsuspecting and defenseless people are shot at point-blank range inside their own home, "execution-style" is an appropriate description.
This seems inconsistent with your arguments that ISIS is not motivated by religion. You're arguing on one hand that ISIS has nothing to do with religious hatred, but on the other hand that these poor people were killed by religious hatred.
unfortunately, the OP has some blind spots in this regard. Cannot have it both ways.
He also argues the Jewish deli shooting was not motivated by religion. But the Chapel Hill murders are.
Anonymous
02/11/2015 11:51
Subject: Three Muslims Killed Execution Style in Chapel Hill
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As with many other situations no matter the political/religious views and/or ethnicity of the victims / perpetrator, this is looking more and more like a specific scenario. Could anything be more local than parking issues? No need to politicize this.
Well, you know, they were executed. So.
A parking dispute and religious hatred are not mutually-exclusive. I sort of get your obsession with the term "execution-style" killing because you may think I am comparing it to the beheadings that have received so much publicity. That was not my intention. To me, when three unsuspecting and defenseless people are shot at point-blank range inside their own home, "execution-style" is an appropriate description.
You don't know they were shot at point-blank range. Why do you keep embellishing this?