Anonymous
02/12/2015 12:23
Subject: Re:Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Is AAP still a program for really gifted? Feel like it is downgraded to serve majorities.
GT used to target top 3~5% kids, now, watered to top 20%???
It's not the original GT anymore.
GT used to target top 3~5% kids, now, watered to top 20%???
It's not the original GT anymore.
Anonymous
02/11/2015 15:24
Subject: Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Anonymous wrote:My problem with this thread is that 1) some people think it is necessary, and 2) others exploit that expectation. And it is based on a flawed few of American culture and education. America is the land where we can afford to educate all.
Most (all?) of the parents pushing the prepping -- and there are some -- are recent immigrants coming from countries that have many gates to long-term success. Where, being tracked at 8 as having potential is key to having the opportunity at 14 or 18 or 40.
In America, there are so many on-ramps to education...AAP helps challenge kids, but gen-ed does not preclude taking advanced courses in HS, and those kids are not at a disadvantage.
TJ is a great high school, but that is because of the creativity of the students -- the 10 best at any school will do as well as anyone at TJ.
My DD is in the 7th grade in AAP; we like it because she is a smart, nerdy kid and is in an environment where that is an asset not at liability.
Now, the uber-preppers are trying to turn the education into a compassion. They are trying to effectively shame children that do not score 145; they think the score is what matters, when what matters is the inmate intelligence which should be represented by the score. Scoring 145 on the CogAT is not a life skill. Nor is 800 on the SAT. If I listed my SAT scores on my Resume, people would laugh at me.
In LCPS, they officially take kids into GT only if they get 97 percentile in Cogat or NNAT. When they officially declare the requirements like that, and if a really GT eligible kid doesn't score 97 without any prep (It is quite possible if they don't know anything about that test and how to answer the questions if they are not prepped and first time they are asked to take test), they are actually losing a chance. That's because they are really competing with a prepped kid, who can easily score 97+ because of the extra push they got.
I seriously think there should be a different testing criteria than Cogat or NNAT test as a pre-eligibility test to consider for this program.
Anonymous
02/11/2015 14:17
Subject: Re:Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I heard and happened to know some average kids boost score to 99% on both NNAT and CogAT after some private lessons with Coach Cathy, cathyspringing?
I am curious how they doing later on in AAP program, struggling? But, the kids I know doing fine, still average in AAP, only have a very high score for the AAP tests.
There could be many reasons for that. My kid got 99% in Nnat and 98% in Cogat with no coaching, but his schoolwork is determinedly average. Yes, a good reader and all that, yada yada, but his written work stinks and he does not pay attention at math, resulting in silly mistakes. All in all, he's immature. Should he get in, he's not going to become a shining star overnight.
This is my son. He has ADHD, he is always a step behind developmentally and on top if it, he is the youngest kind in his AAP class. He is doing fine though. Like you say, no a shining star, but consistently good work. His AAP teacher is awesome and gives him a lot of oral tests because she can tell he is not developmentally ready to write pages describing what he has read.
If ADHD isn't an issue, this kid may be like I was as a kid: bright, able to pick things up pretty easily, and as a result never really had to work hard to get passable grades and learn the material. As a result, I became extremely lazy with schoolwork and nearly flunked out of college due to not completing assignments (still aced most of my tests). Once I got my act together and learned how to study, I started doing really well again.
Kids like this, IMO, are exactly who an advanced program should be for. He may actually need the extra little push to learn study skills and how to apply himself, and end up thriving in that environment more than he would in an "easier" academic program.
Anonymous
02/11/2015 12:43
Subject: Re:Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I heard and happened to know some average kids boost score to 99% on both NNAT and CogAT after some private lessons with Coach Cathy, cathyspringing?
I am curious how they doing later on in AAP program, struggling? But, the kids I know doing fine, still average in AAP, only have a very high score for the AAP tests.
There could be many reasons for that. My kid got 99% in Nnat and 98% in Cogat with no coaching, but his schoolwork is determinedly average. Yes, a good reader and all that, yada yada, but his written work stinks and he does not pay attention at math, resulting in silly mistakes. All in all, he's immature. Should he get in, he's not going to become a shining star overnight.
This is my son. He has ADHD, he is always a step behind developmentally and on top if it, he is the youngest kind in his AAP class. He is doing fine though. Like you say, no a shining star, but consistently good work. His AAP teacher is awesome and gives him a lot of oral tests because she can tell he is not developmentally ready to write pages describing what he has read.
Anonymous
02/11/2015 07:35
Subject: Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
My problem with this thread is that 1) some people think it is necessary, and 2) others exploit that expectation. And it is based on a flawed few of American culture and education. America is the land where we can afford to educate all.
Most (all?) of the parents pushing the prepping -- and there are some -- are recent immigrants coming from countries that have many gates to long-term success. Where, being tracked at 8 as having potential is key to having the opportunity at 14 or 18 or 40.
In America, there are so many on-ramps to education...AAP helps challenge kids, but gen-ed does not preclude taking advanced courses in HS, and those kids are not at a disadvantage.
TJ is a great high school, but that is because of the creativity of the students -- the 10 best at any school will do as well as anyone at TJ.
My DD is in the 7th grade in AAP; we like it because she is a smart, nerdy kid and is in an environment where that is an asset not at liability.
Now, the uber-preppers are trying to turn the education into a compassion. They are trying to effectively shame children that do not score 145; they think the score is what matters, when what matters is the inmate intelligence which should be represented by the score. Scoring 145 on the CogAT is not a life skill. Nor is 800 on the SAT. If I listed my SAT scores on my Resume, people would laugh at me.
Most (all?) of the parents pushing the prepping -- and there are some -- are recent immigrants coming from countries that have many gates to long-term success. Where, being tracked at 8 as having potential is key to having the opportunity at 14 or 18 or 40.
In America, there are so many on-ramps to education...AAP helps challenge kids, but gen-ed does not preclude taking advanced courses in HS, and those kids are not at a disadvantage.
TJ is a great high school, but that is because of the creativity of the students -- the 10 best at any school will do as well as anyone at TJ.
My DD is in the 7th grade in AAP; we like it because she is a smart, nerdy kid and is in an environment where that is an asset not at liability.
Now, the uber-preppers are trying to turn the education into a compassion. They are trying to effectively shame children that do not score 145; they think the score is what matters, when what matters is the inmate intelligence which should be represented by the score. Scoring 145 on the CogAT is not a life skill. Nor is 800 on the SAT. If I listed my SAT scores on my Resume, people would laugh at me.
Anonymous
02/10/2015 22:01
Subject: Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently, coaching kids for exams is routinely practiced in other parts of the world. In fact, instead of going to sports after school, kids go to tutoring centers.
I think it's alive and well here in the U.S. too. I drove past this gem today: http://www.mybestacademy.com/
?? ??!!!
I honestly can't believe FCPS doesn't have some kind of qualifier for all kids who take the NNAT and CogAT. As in, if your child has ever been a student at one of these prepping mills, they are automatically disqualified from AAP consideration. But FCPS doesn't seem to mind a bit that many students are simply prepped to the hilt for these tests. Kind of renders AAP null and void, as far as I'm concerned.
You do know that FCPS is so concerned about the cottage industry of test prepping that they had a special Fairfax version of the CogAT prepared, don't you?
And you do know that won't stop preppers, don't you? They'll find their way around it; also, I'm sure the "special" version isn't that much different than the original. Same types of questions.
Anonymous
02/10/2015 21:44
Subject: Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently, coaching kids for exams is routinely practiced in other parts of the world. In fact, instead of going to sports after school, kids go to tutoring centers.
I think it's alive and well here in the U.S. too. I drove past this gem today: http://www.mybestacademy.com/
?? ??!!!
I honestly can't believe FCPS doesn't have some kind of qualifier for all kids who take the NNAT and CogAT. As in, if your child has ever been a student at one of these prepping mills, they are automatically disqualified from AAP consideration. But FCPS doesn't seem to mind a bit that many students are simply prepped to the hilt for these tests. Kind of renders AAP null and void, as far as I'm concerned.
You do know that FCPS is so concerned about the cottage industry of test prepping that they had a special Fairfax version of the CogAT prepared, don't you?
Anonymous
02/10/2015 21:38
Subject: Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently, coaching kids for exams is routinely practiced in other parts of the world. In fact, instead of going to sports after school, kids go to tutoring centers.
I think it's alive and well here in the U.S. too. I drove past this gem today: http://www.mybestacademy.com/
?? ??!!!
I honestly can't believe FCPS doesn't have some kind of qualifier for all kids who take the NNAT and CogAT. As in, if your child has ever been a student at one of these prepping mills, they are automatically disqualified from AAP consideration. But FCPS doesn't seem to mind a bit that many students are simply prepped to the hilt for these tests. Kind of renders AAP null and void, as far as I'm concerned.
Anonymous
02/10/2015 14:35
Subject: Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently, coaching kids for exams is routinely practiced in other parts of the world. In fact, instead of going to sports after school, kids go to tutoring centers.
I think it's alive and well here in the U.S. too. I drove past this gem today: http://www.mybestacademy.com/
?? ??!!!
Anonymous
02/10/2015 14:31
Subject: Re:Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Funny how the parents who prep their kids are actually the ones up in arms... don't deny it! 
Anonymous
02/10/2015 12:59
Subject: Re:Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I heard of Coach Cathy, a former college teacher, also a wonderful math coach, help kids who love math with all kinds of competition math, not sure whether you are talking about her? Not sure whether she teaches this kind of class too? You may want to check with her, cathyspringing@gmail.com. Seems she doesn't teach much, my niece loves her, but her friends still on waiting list.
Also, I agree it's no good to prep to AAP though many do no matter what.
I heard and happened to know some average kids boost score to 99% on both NNAT and CogAT after some private lessons with Coach Cathy, cathyspringing?
I am curious how they doing later on in AAP program, struggling? But, the kids I know doing fine, still average in AAP, only have a very high score for the AAP tests.
That's why kids that are in the AAP program and are not really gifted keep going to http://www.mybestacademy.com/
Anonymous
02/10/2015 10:16
Subject: Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently, coaching kids for exams is routinely practiced in other parts of the world. In fact, instead of going to sports after school, kids go to tutoring centers.
I think it's alive and well here in the U.S. too. I drove past this gem today: http://www.mybestacademy.com/
I check out the website and it doesn't look like they have a test prep class for the NNAT/COGAT, unless the GT 1-2 class to develop vocabulary and math skill is actually just test prep. They do advertise TJ, Algebra 1, math competition prep though.
Of course it is!
Anonymous
02/10/2015 09:48
Subject: Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Anonymous wrote:These planted Coach Cathy commercials need to stop. Pathetic.
Just report the post(s)
Anonymous
02/10/2015 09:33
Subject: Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
These planted Coach Cathy commercials need to stop. Pathetic.
Anonymous
02/10/2015 01:25
Subject: Re:Really want to find a good coach for NNAT and CogAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I heard of Coach Cathy, a former college teacher, also a wonderful math coach, help kids who love math with all kinds of competition math, not sure whether you are talking about her? Not sure whether she teaches this kind of class too? You may want to check with her, cathyspringing@gmail.com. Seems she doesn't teach much, my niece loves her, but her friends still on waiting list.
Also, I agree it's no good to prep to AAP though many do no matter what.
I heard and happened to know some average kids boost score to 99% on both NNAT and CogAT after some private lessons with Coach Cathy, cathyspringing?
I am curious how they doing later on in AAP program, struggling? But, the kids I know doing fine, still average in AAP, only have a very high score for the AAP tests.
Sure you do.