Anonymous
02/05/2015 17:16
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
Anonymous wrote:Raise money.
+1 . I am finding this to be true at our new-to-us WOTP school. The PTA is kick ass. Highly effective parents and SAHMs who are former PR professionals.
Anonymous
02/05/2015 17:14
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
Anonymous wrote:That can't be accurate...Eastern and Ballou have the largest marching bands in the city. Woodson and Eastern have the best athletic participation in the city...so if the wealthier kids are getting better opportunities then they are not producing winning results. If the poor kids at Ballou, Eastern, Woodson and Dunbar are participating in activities that the rich kids are not doing....guess who's winning.
welcome Eastern word salad lady?
Anonymous
02/05/2015 15:08
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
Anonymous wrote:It never fails to amaze me how many parents are out there supporting and promoting their kids' athletics... and meanwhile their academics are suffering. Athletics aren't what are going to put food on the table. Even if you are really good, you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than you do of getting rich in pro athletics.
I agree, but that's always the way it's been, in my experience. In my high school, football and basketball players were held to very different standards than other students. They were allowed to miss class, not turn in homework and get extensions for things all the time that "regular" students would not get, because it was a very sports-oriented school. I do not see this attitude as particularly unusual at a "regular" high school - as in, not a specialized curriculum (STEM, arts, etc.).
Anonymous
02/05/2015 15:05
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
Fewer than 1/5 of students at Ballou test as proficient in both math and reading. Good thing that finite time and resources are being funneled to a marching band and football. Surely that will help students succeed in the real world when the vast majority can't read or write. Shameful.
Anonymous
02/05/2015 14:58
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
It never fails to amaze me how many parents are out there supporting and promoting their kids' athletics... and meanwhile their academics are suffering. Athletics aren't what are going to put food on the table. Even if you are really good, you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than you do of getting rich in pro athletics.
Anonymous
02/05/2015 14:54
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
Not so fast.
Thread OP here. I would never let my kids play football either. The dads at my NW EOTP IB DCPS (NEID?) bond with their sons playing soccer right next to school, and my kids adore swimming. My EOTP IB DCPS does not have a marching band, but they do have a string instruments program, and drama club, and ballet, and stunning facilities, minus a couple of budgeted improvements that got yanked before completion.
I have to say, after reading pages and pages of responses, I'm still, or even a bit more, confident in my IB EOTP language immersion DCPS. What WOTP DCPS schools have, we can have too, minus a little bit of bullshit, a block from home.
Thread OP here. I would never let my kids play football either. The dads at my NW EOTP IB DCPS (NEID?) bond with their sons playing soccer right next to school, and my kids adore swimming. My EOTP IB DCPS does not have a marching band, but they do have a string instruments program, and drama club, and ballet, and stunning facilities, minus a couple of budgeted improvements that got yanked before completion.
I have to say, after reading pages and pages of responses, I'm still, or even a bit more, confident in my IB EOTP language immersion DCPS. What WOTP DCPS schools have, we can have too, minus a little bit of bullshit, a block from home.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That can't be accurate...Eastern and Ballou have the largest marching bands in the city. Woodson and Eastern have the best athletic participation in the city...so if the wealthier kids are getting better opportunities then they are not producing winning results. If the poor kids at Ballou, Eastern, Woodson and Dunbar are participating in activities that the rich kids are not doing....guess who's winning.
drumlines and football.
Some schools undoubtedly "win" that contest, agree.
The mothers in my parent circle discuss with each other the fact that we will not allow our elementary-and-MS-aged sons to play football, ever.
Once the "flag football" preschool stuff is over, then football is over for life, No matter how much Madden NFL xBox they play, or how much NFL-lust they discuss with Dad as a bonding moment, no matter how much they beg (and they do, when they're about 8-10 and they're so sure they will play NFL someday) .... moms like me do not sign up our sons for football. We don't write the check for Pop Warner or whatever that league is. We don't research tackle football skills summer camps at UMD or deMatha.
So that's a difference between parents who live WoTP and many parent whose sons grow up IB for Eastern, Dunbar and so on. But, the difference is not created by DCPS. It's a difference of parenting philosophy.
Anonymous
02/05/2015 14:35
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That can't be accurate...Eastern and Ballou have the largest marching bands in the city. Woodson and Eastern have the best athletic participation in the city...so if the wealthier kids are getting better opportunities then they are not producing winning results. If the poor kids at Ballou, Eastern, Woodson and Dunbar are participating in activities that the rich kids are not doing....guess who's winning.
drumlines and football.
Some schools undoubtedly "win" that contest, agree.
The mothers in my parent circle discuss with each other the fact that we will not allow our elementary-and-MS-aged sons to play football, ever.
Once the "flag football" preschool stuff is over, then football is over for life, No matter how much Madden NFL xBox they play, or how much NFL-lust they discuss with Dad as a bonding moment, no matter how much they beg (and they do, when they're about 8-10 and they're so sure they will play NFL someday) .... moms like me do not sign up our sons for football. We don't write the check for Pop Warner or whatever that league is. We don't research tackle football skills summer camps at UMD or deMatha.
So that's a difference between parents who live WoTP and many parent whose sons grow up IB for Eastern, Dunbar and so on. But, the difference is not created by DCPS. It's a difference of parenting philosophy.
Off topic, but my otherwise intellectual father has talked his whole life about how his mom wouldn't let him play football in high school. His resentment about it went deep, deep. I'll have to ask him about it now that research shows she was absolutely right in this.
Anonymous
02/05/2015 14:26
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
Anonymous wrote:That can't be accurate...Eastern and Ballou have the largest marching bands in the city. Woodson and Eastern have the best athletic participation in the city...so if the wealthier kids are getting better opportunities then they are not producing winning results. If the poor kids at Ballou, Eastern, Woodson and Dunbar are participating in activities that the rich kids are not doing....guess who's winning.
drumlines and football.
Some schools undoubtedly "win" that contest, agree.
The mothers in my parent circle discuss with each other the fact that we will not allow our elementary-and-MS-aged sons to play football, ever.
Once the "flag football" preschool stuff is over, then football is over for life, No matter how much Madden NFL xBox they play, or how much NFL-lust they discuss with Dad as a bonding moment, no matter how much they beg (and they do, when they're about 8-10 and they're so sure they will play NFL someday) .... moms like me do not sign up our sons for football. We don't write the check for Pop Warner or whatever that league is. We don't research tackle football skills summer camps at UMD or deMatha.
So that's a difference between parents who live WoTP and many parent whose sons grow up IB for Eastern, Dunbar and so on. But, the difference is not created by DCPS. It's a difference of parenting philosophy.
Anonymous
02/05/2015 14:06
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
Anonymous wrote:That can't be accurate...Eastern and Ballou have the largest marching bands in the city. Woodson and Eastern have the best athletic participation in the city...so if the wealthier kids are getting better opportunities then they are not producing winning results. If the poor kids at Ballou, Eastern, Woodson and Dunbar are participating in activities that the rich kids are not doing....guess who's winning.
Sorry, I don't follow you. What are you responding to?
Anonymous
02/05/2015 12:58
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
That can't be accurate...Eastern and Ballou have the largest marching bands in the city. Woodson and Eastern have the best athletic participation in the city...so if the wealthier kids are getting better opportunities then they are not producing winning results. If the poor kids at Ballou, Eastern, Woodson and Dunbar are participating in activities that the rich kids are not doing....guess who's winning.
Anonymous
02/04/2015 21:18
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In DCPS the only currently authorized International Baccalaureate (IB) programs are at: Deal, Shepherd, HD Cooke, Thomson, Banneker, and Eastern. All other programs are in the authorization process.
Yep and WIS definitely does not do middle years.
WIS dropped the middle years IB program a couple of years back. This was viewed favorably by the WIS community as best I could tell.
Anonymous
02/04/2015 12:29
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
Anonymous wrote:In DCPS the only currently authorized International Baccalaureate (IB) programs are at: Deal, Shepherd, HD Cooke, Thomson, Banneker, and Eastern. All other programs are in the authorization process.
Yep and WIS definitely does not do middle years.
Anonymous
02/04/2015 12:28
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
It might take well-off people not thinking less of people that are poor. Much of the problem is that we link social class with intelligence and it all flows from there. For such a liberal town, it often feels like upper northwest channels the Bell Curve.
Anonymous
02/04/2015 10:41
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
In DCPS the only currently authorized International Baccalaureate (IB) programs are at: Deal, Shepherd, HD Cooke, Thomson, Banneker, and Eastern. All other programs are in the authorization process.
Anonymous
02/03/2015 21:02
Subject: What concretely do the WOTP DCPSs do better than EOTP DCPSs, other than recruiting wealthier kids?
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]honestly, more respect for quirkiness/ what I call "creative disrespect." At a WOTP school, it's more ok for a kid to write a poem instead of the assigned essay, wear bright colored socks, make a suggestion to the teacher. EOTP schools are more about maintaining order and teaching kids to follow rules. Which makes some sense, given that many students don't have very orderly home lives and following directions is a good life skill, but can also make school less fun and lead kids to be less engaged and creative.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/class-struggle/post/do-rich-and-poor-parenting-styles-matter/2012/11/29/cc78e020-39e7-11e2-b01f-5f55b193f58f_blog.html is sort of what I'm getting at.[/quote]
Great point, PP. Some kids are taught to be creators/leaders while others are taught to be [rule-abiding] followers.[/quote]
Lessons in rule following dont seem to be working, comparing the rates of incarceration if Janney students vs eotp grads.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/class-struggle/post/do-rich-and-poor-parenting-styles-matter/2012/11/29/cc78e020-39e7-11e2-b01f-5f55b193f58f_blog.html is sort of what I'm getting at.[/quote]
Great point, PP. Some kids are taught to be creators/leaders while others are taught to be [rule-abiding] followers.[/quote]
Lessons in rule following dont seem to be working, comparing the rates of incarceration if Janney students vs eotp grads.