Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fallacy is that women are responsible for men's thoughts and actions.

If a woman wears yoga pants and a man ogles or says something, the woman is not to blame.

If a woman wears leggings and a man catcalls her, the woman is not to blame.

If a woman is wearing a skirt on the metro and a man takes an upskirt photo, the woman is not to blame.

If a woman is wearing a tight top and gets groped by a man on the bus, the woman is not to blame.

If you're not comfortable wearing yoga pants in public, that's fine. I'm not going to judge you for that. And a man who says you should dress sexier is just as wrong as the one who catcalls a woman in leggings.

You are not responsible for those reactions, nor do you need to tolerate them.

All of your examples here are about men's ACTIONS. Not thoughts, actions.

Look, I agree with you. Men are responsible for their own actions, and women should not be blamed for them no matter what.

But if you wear something that shows off your ass, why would you be surprised when someone sees it and THINKS "wow, check out that ass"? If they go beyond THOUGHTS and instead ACT on those thoughts, that's a whole different ball game. But I thought this thread was about men thinking lustful thoughts. Are we trying to censor men's thoughts now?

Huh? I'm not talking about what men should or shouldn't do. I'm talking about women's perceived responsibility for it.

The blogger's take is that women shouldn't wear certain clothes because wearing those clothes makes men lustful. She believes women are responsible for what goes on in men's brains. In case it isn't obvious...this is bullshit. It's a philosophy that's been used to control and shame women forever and always. It explains burqas. It explains the separation of men and women in Orthodox Jewish synagogues. It explains the UVa sorority "don't go to parties" edict.

It goes something like this: Men can't control themselves, so it's up to women not to tempt them with their presence/bare ankles/tight pants. Really, the rules are in place for the good of women, to protect them. Because men just can't be held responsible for how they'll respond to temptation.

How do you all getting camel toe? Did you try to use panty liner?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually stopped wearing yoga pant/legging because I notice men checking me out. I wanted to gauge their eyes out. If it is so obvious I can tell you are looking at me you are looking too long. I have very nice legs and a$$ but I don't need you fing me with your eyes. Men are pigs.

I am not religious, but dang!

its women like you that give all of the normal women a bad name. Men aren't pigs, that is a really sad statement. If a man came on here and said - ALL WOMEN WHO WEAR YOGA PANTS ARE WHORES...the fallout would be historic.

Also, just because someone is looking at you doesn't mean they are EFing you with their eyes. Don't flatter yourself dear.

I don't find it flattering at all. Hey, you want to sneak a peak go for it, I am in public.

But there is something about yoga pants, men can't just take a peak and look away... They linger too long.

It obviously does not happen to you since you can't relate to the notion of being "f'd with their eyes" ... but it happens.

I think most men will admit, the long stare is piggish.

No, it's not. You're just uptight. And apparently secretly enjoy it since your dig is that someone doesn't look as good as you to understand your plight.

Men check me out often, just like they do every decent looking woman on the planet. And then they go about the rest of their lives. It's utterly ridiculous to wear something that causes camel toe and then be surprised that people notice. But be careful what you wish for. There will come a day when no man notices you.

Anonymous wrote:The fallacy is that women are responsible for men's thoughts and actions.

If a woman wears yoga pants and a man ogles or says something, the woman is not to blame.

If a woman wears leggings and a man catcalls her, the woman is not to blame.

If a woman is wearing a skirt on the metro and a man takes an upskirt photo, the woman is not to blame.

If a woman is wearing a tight top and gets groped by a man on the bus, the woman is not to blame.

If you're not comfortable wearing yoga pants in public, that's fine. I'm not going to judge you for that. And a man who says you should dress sexier is just as wrong as the one who catcalls a woman in leggings.

You are not responsible for those reactions, nor do you need to tolerate them.

All of your examples here are about men's ACTIONS. Not thoughts, actions.

Look, I agree with you. Men are responsible for their own actions, and women should not be blamed for them no matter what.

But if you wear something that shows off your ass, why would you be surprised when someone sees it and THINKS "wow, check out that ass"? If they go beyond THOUGHTS and instead ACT on those thoughts, that's a whole different ball game. But I thought this thread was about men thinking lustful thoughts. Are we trying to censor men's thoughts now?

Anonymous wrote:http://thesaltcollective.org/modesty-whensuitsbecomestumblingblock/

On the flip side. The struggle is real.

That is missing the famous photo of Jon Hamm and his giant member in a suit!

Anonymous wrote:I thought this article did a good job pointing out the male corollary...

http://thesaltcollective.org/modesty-whensuitsbecomestumblingblock/

That was awesome. If only the men who try to control women and blme them for everything got this. But they won't.

I thought this article did a good job pointing out the male corollary...

http://thesaltcollective.org/modesty-whensuitsbecomestumblingblock/

My religious relative (young 20-something) posted this article and it just makes me mad. So we shouldn't wear what we want because we would unfairly tempt men? For real?

Anonymous wrote:The bigger issue here is why are all these Percy guys creeping on the Beauty and Fashion board. Lord! Can't we discuss makeup and fashion in peace. Gays are always welcome

I only go to recent topics and peruse whatever seems interesting. This thread had me at Yoga pants. Signed, one of the creeps.

My husband loves them!

Anonymous wrote:I wear mine to the gym and home. I don't understand going out in public in them. I wear jeans when I want to be comfortable.

I don't purposely wear them to go out. But I am taking either yoga, pilates or ballet classes 5 days a week. Sometimes I walk to my gym (0.9 mile from my home). Sometimes I do grocery shopping after the gym, pick up laundry, or drop kids books in a library. I am not going to drive home and change just to go to the grocery store just because my look may offend somebody. And I am not going to pack a changing clothe to change in a gym. I am a Christian woman and I do take a good care of my body. But I've never ever noticed that any man looking at me for too long (I am in a very good shape in late 30s).

This writer nails it:

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2015/01/27/we-must-protect-men-from-leggings-at-all-costs/

Anonymous wrote:The fallacy is that women are responsible for men's thoughts and actions.

If a woman wears yoga pants and a man ogles or says something, the woman is not to blame.

If a woman wears leggings and a man catcalls her, the woman is not to blame.

If a woman is wearing a skirt on the metro and a man takes an upskirt photo, the woman is not to blame.

If a woman is wearing a tight top and gets groped by a man on the bus, the woman is not to blame.

If you're not comfortable wearing yoga pants in public, that's fine. I'm not going to judge you for that. And a man who says you should dress sexier is just as wrong as the one who catcalls a woman in leggings.

You are not responsible for those reactions, nor do you need to tolerate them.

+1

Did anyone see the video of two men caught catcalling their own moms (who at first didn't realize it)?