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I don't know any kids who get or need any help with their AP classes, including my own. Either your sister is delusional or she is teaching kids who aren't academic enough to be taking AP classes. Or maybe she is one of those whiny teachers who resent their students and constantly complain about them and their parents.

She was not complaining. She just stated that all the AP teachers were spending their planning day brainstorming on how to get the kids to do their own work. Its part of her job. She does not care, except she misses the discussion part of her classroom which was one of her favorite parts because it is now replaced with silent kids writing their own papers and doing their own projects.

This makes no sense. I'm not sure you heard correctly. The whole point of flipping the classroom is to free up time for discussion, and also to make sure the kids are well prepared for discussion and ready to ask questions as they dive right into any projects.

Flipping aside, in what school do kids work silently on group projects (you originally said the problem was that these were group projects) without any interaction with the teacher at all? What does the teacher do, read novels while the kids work?

Also, just a tip, you'll seem more credible if you stop insulting everybody here.

You need to read more carefully.

I understand the purpose of a flipped classroom BUT (this is context clue that I will give an alternate reason... Kids should look for But statements during SATs) they are using it for a different purpose.... To ensure kids are doing their work with out mom's input.

I am not sure why this concept is so hard. In Point #2 of the exact same article colleges don't trust that college essays are written by the student. This is pretty common knowledge in the college apps scene.

They are not group projects but they are being done by a team: student, tutor, mom and dad. You misread my post.

Yes, my sister walks around and kids explain their project to her. When they are writing papers, she will have kids come up to explain her edits, grammar, weak point on their writing. They can't take a copy home. Parents email her, may I please see a copy of my child's research paper, what is the big secret.

I have not insulted everybody just the as guy who thinks he know something about a school in PA that he has never visited and he thinks he knows why his roommate dropped out. I doubt he does, he sounds ignorant and arrogant.

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I don't know any kids who get or need any help with their AP classes, including my own. Either your sister is delusional or she is teaching kids who aren't academic enough to be taking AP classes. Or maybe she is one of those whiny teachers who resent their students and constantly complain about them and their parents.

She was not complaining. She just stated that all the AP teachers were spending their planning day brainstorming on how to get the kids to do their own work. Its part of her job. She does not care, except she misses the discussion part of her classroom which was one of her favorite parts because it is now replaced with silent kids writing their own papers and doing their own projects.

This makes no sense. I'm not sure you heard correctly. The whole point of flipping the classroom is to free up time for discussion, and also to make sure the kids are well prepared for discussion and ready to ask questions as they dive right into any projects.

Flipping aside, in what school do kids work silently on group projects (you originally said the problem was that these were group projects) without any interaction with the teacher at all? What does the teacher do, read novels while the kids work?

Also, just a tip, you'll seem more credible if you stop insulting everybody here.

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I don't know any kids who get or need any help with their AP classes, including my own. Either your sister is delusional or she is teaching kids who aren't academic enough to be taking AP classes. Or maybe she is one of those whiny teachers who resent their students and constantly complain about them and their parents.

She was not complaining. She just stated that all the AP teachers were spending their planning day brainstorming on how to get the kids to do their own work. Its part of her job. She does not care, except she misses the discussion part of her classroom which was one of her favorite parts because it is now replaced with silent kids writing their own papers and doing their own projects.

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Anonymous wrote:I know why "flipped classrooms" were designed. I also know they are not being used in the same way there were designed because kids are not doing their own work.

Even in DC's magnet classes, the pct of kids with NIH and academic parents is very small. Not nearly enough to be "the reason," as you claimed earlier, for implementing flipped classrooms. Now you're backtracking a bit, but you're still wrong.

You clearly don't understand much about the college application process, so it's a shame you're here offering your 1 cent. You started this thread because of your ignorance that colleges' regional reps compare rigor among high schools all the time, as their standard practice. You also didn't know that colleges look at unweighted GPAs and often re weight them.

I think you're a thinly disguised racist, and I say that as a white person.

Wow! Somebody is defensive. I actually know what I am talking about and it bothers you because you hate that it is true and kind of confuses your grand plan.

I also know about the athletic index. I know all sorts of things I have not mentioned in my posts above.

Flipped classroom is not beneficial if it takes away from class discussion, which it will if they are all working on projects so the teachers can actually grade the student instead of the team behind the student. Pretending that paid tutors and parents are not helping kids just shows you have your head in the sand or you are angry about being called out.

The racist person is the one that immediately assumes the parents doing their children's homework are Asian, I never said they were Asian, you just assumed it. Shame on you.

Read the original study not the lame article and educate yourself (unless you are busy editing your child's papers.)

My "grand plan"? I'm supposedly editing papers ... in subjects I don't understand (I don't have a science degree)?

Now you've changed your argument some more, and you're now arguing that flipped classroom in-school projects are predominantly "group projects"? Huh? Where's your data? I'll bring mine: my HS kid only has one flipped classroom this year, but I'm sure that 95% of in-class work is done on an individual basis (I want to say 100% is done on an individual basis, but I'd have to ask him) and, if he doesn't finish in class, he brings it home to finish it on his own.

Congratulations on knowing lots of things, though.

I smell a troll. Or a bored teenager - MCPS is on a professional day today.

I don't know any kids who get or need any help with their AP classes, including my own. Either your sister is delusional or she is teaching kids who aren't academic enough to be taking AP classes. Or maybe she is one of those whiny teachers who resent their students and constantly complain about them and their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:This was my college roommate. Had straight A's from tiny town hihg school in PA. I thought he'd kick my butt, me being a B-average student from a "W" school in MoCo. We were both in engineering so not easy stuff.

His grades the first yet? All F's except for 1 D. He transferred out right after. I guess in his HS, just showing up gets you a B, and turning in your assignment on time gets you an A.

This is least intelligent post I have read in a while, which says a lot since I read the 2nd wives thread.

Nah, that one was OK. The one about "manipulating AP tests" was dumb, as was the one about getting someone else to take the SAT for you. For a year or so now, the College Board has required that you upload your photo when you register, and that you show ID on the day of the test. I don't think you can change your registration photo. So if your plan was to get different people to take your various AP and SAT subject tests for you, you're SOL.

I agree that it's widely known that colleges' regional reps understand the relative rigor at different high schools within their assigned regions. Also that many colleges reweight your transcript according to their own, proprietary formulas.

You can manipulate your GPA with AP classes especially if your tiger mom does your projects and you have top notch tutors.

OK, you really don't understand how this works, do you? I nominate your "get your tiger mom to do your AP projects for you" as the least intelligent post today. AP classes are nothing like the middle school science fair, unless your tiger mom also happens to be an NIH chemist or a university history prof.

For the record, most selective universities start with your UNweighted GPA, i.e., they give your A in AP World History a 4 not a 5. Then they reweight it using their own system. They may well give more weight to an AP class--but that's because AP classes are harder than regular or honors classes. High school honors classes are pretty easy, frankly. AP classes are supposed to be college-level classes, so the kid is working harder. Don't you think more work might deserve a higher weight?

The tutor thing is an advantage that rich kids have over poor kids. Yes, rich kids can buy extra help. But at the end of the day, kids in AP classes still have to master more material than kids in regular or honors classes.

Okay, so you don't know how it works. My sister teaches in a high school and all the parents do their kids outside research. Most their tiger moms have advanced degrees. You are delusional if you think these kids do original research and hand in projects done without professional help.

Her principal has flipped 1/2 the projects to in school projects with lectures being viewed at home because it is impossible to get moms and dads out of the mix.

I don't care if they weight AP classes with a silver spoon but the fact is people are playing the system.

Even though selective school redo GPAs, less selective do not. Also, more selective schools look at how rigorous the schedule is and when your mom and a tutor do some of your homework for you and edit/rewrite all you research papers it is much easier to take a rigorous schedule.

In the end no matter how much an AP student has to master vs another student ... They are missing out mastering things like resilience, independence and emotional intelligence other kids are mastering without their parents doing their work for them.

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Anonymous wrote:I know why "flipped classrooms" were designed. I also know they are not being used in the same way there were designed because kids are not doing their own work.

Even in DC's magnet classes, the pct of kids with NIH and academic parents is very small. Not nearly enough to be "the reason," as you claimed earlier, for implementing flipped classrooms. Now you're backtracking a bit, but you're still wrong.

You clearly don't understand much about the college application process, so it's a shame you're here offering your 1 cent. You started this thread because of your ignorance that colleges' regional reps compare rigor among high schools all the time, as their standard practice. You also didn't know that colleges look at unweighted GPAs and often re weight them.

I think you're a thinly disguised racist, and I say that as a white person.

Wow! Somebody is defensive. I actually know what I am talking about and it bothers you because you hate that it is true and kind of confuses your grand plan.

I also know about the athletic index. I know all sorts of things I have not mentioned in my posts above.

Flipped classroom is not beneficial if it takes away from class discussion, which it will if they are all working on projects so the teachers can actually grade the student instead of the team behind the student. Pretending that paid tutors and parents are not helping kids just shows you have your head in the sand or you are angry about being called out.

The racist person is the one that immediately assumes the parents doing their children's homework are Asian, I never said they were Asian, you just assumed it. Shame on you.

Read the original study not the lame article and educate yourself (unless you are busy editing your child's papers.)

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Anonymous wrote:I know why "flipped classrooms" were designed. I also know they are not being used in the same way there were designed because kids are not doing their own work.

Even in DC's magnet classes, the pct of kids with NIH and academic parents is very small. Not nearly enough to be "the reason," as you claimed earlier, for implementing flipped classrooms. Now you're backtracking a bit, but you're still wrong.

You clearly don't understand much about the college application process, so it's a shame you're here offering your 1 cent. You started this thread because of your ignorance that colleges' regional reps compare rigor among high schools all the time, as their standard practice. You also didn't know that colleges look at unweighted GPAs and often re weight them.

I think you're a thinly disguised racist, and I say that as a white person.

Anonymous wrote:I know why "flipped classrooms" were designed. I also know they are not being used in the same way there were designed because kids are not doing their own work.

Anonymous wrote:I know why "flipped classrooms" were designed. I also know they are not being used in the same way there were designed because kids are not doing their own work.

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You can manipulate your GPA with AP classes especially if your tiger mom does your projects and you have top notch tutors.

OK, you really don't understand how this works, do you? I nominate your "get your tiger mom to do your AP projects for you" as the least intelligent post today. AP classes are nothing like the middle school science fair, unless your tiger mom also happens to be an NIH chemist or a university history prof.

For the record, many selective universities start with your UNweighted GPA, i.e., they give your A in AP World History a 4 not a 5. Then they reweight it using their own system. They may well give more weight to an AP class--but that's because AP classes are harder than regular or honors classes. High school honors classes are pretty easy, frankly. AP classes are supposed to be college-level classes, so the kid is working harder. Don't you think more work might deserve a higher weight?

The tutor thing is an advantage that rich kids have over poor kids. Yes, rich kids can buy extra help. But at the end of the day, kids in AP classes still have to master more material than kids in regular or honors classes.

Okay, so you don't know how it works. My sister teaches in a high school and all the parents do their kids outside research. Most their tiger moms have advanced degrees. You are delusional if you think these kids do original research and hand in projects done without professional help.

Her principal has flipped 1/2 the projects to in school projects with lectures being viewed at home because it is impossible to get moms and dads out of the mix.

I don't care if they weight AP classes with a silver spoon but the fact is people are playing the system.

Even though selective school redo GPAs, less selective do not. Also, more selective schools look at how rigorous the schedule is and when your mom and a tutor do some of your homework for you and edit/rewrite all you research papers it is much easier to take a rigorous schedule.

In the end no matter how much an AP student has to master vs another student ... They are missing out mastering things like resilience, independence and emotional intelligence other kids are mastering without their parents doing their work for them.