Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Racism, Religious Bigotry and Discrimination does not promote a more "civil" society. "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass

The study cited upthread says it ain't so.

And there are studies that show that suppression of civil liberties and political rights are one of the main causes of Terrorism

Pls post.

Root Causes

The relationship between terrorism and democracy continues to challenge scholars in their search for causes of terrorism. It is generally agreed that a lack of democracy, civil liberties and the rule of law are preconditions for many forms of domestic terrorism. Generally, the most democratic and the most totalitarian societies have the lowest levels of oppositional violence. Failed or weak states on the other hand, lack the capacity – or sometimes the will – to exercise territorial control. This often leaves a power vacuum that is can be exploited by terrorist organizations to maintain safe havens, training facilities or serve as bases for launching terrorist campaigns. However, this should not be perceived as simply a lack of democracy or democratic processes. Long standing liberal democracies with established traditions of free speech and tolerance have been the targets of both domestic and foreign terrorism. As Crenshaw contends “[d]emocracy and terrorism are not polar opposites: saying ‘yes’ to democracy unfortunately, does not mean saying ‘no’ to terrorism” (Club de Madrid, 2005: 14).

Hegemony and inequality of power. When local or international powers possess an overwhelming power compared to oppositional groups, and the latter see no other realistic ways to forward their cause by normal political or military means, “asymmetrical warfare” can represent a tempting option. Terrorism offers the possibility of achieving high political impact with limited means. Illegitimate or corrupt governments frequently give rise to opposition that may turn to terrorist means if other avenues are not seen as realistic options for replacing these regimes with a more credible and legitimate government or a regime which represents the values and interests of the opposition movement.

Powerful external actors upholding illegitimate governments may be seen as an insurmountable obstacle to needed regime change. Such external support to illegitimate governments is frequently seen as foreign domination through puppet regimes serving the political and economic interests of foreign sponsors. Repression by foreign occupation or by colonial powers has given rise to a great many national liberation movements that have sought recourse in terrorist tactics and other political means. Despite their use of terrorist methods, some liberation movements enjoy considerable support and legitimacy among their own constituencies, and sometimes also from segments of international public opinion.

The experience of discrimination on the basis of ethnic or religious origin is the chief root cause of ethno-nationalist terrorism. When sizeable minorities are systematically deprived of their rights to equal social and economic opportunities, obstructed from expressing their cultural identities (e.g. forbidden to use their language or practice their religion), or excluded from political influence, this can give rise to secessionist movements that may turn to terrorism or other forms of violent struggle. Ethnic nationalisms are more likely to give rise to (and justify) terrorism than are moderate and inclusive civic nationalisms.

Trigger Causes
The first condition that can be considered a direct cause of terrorism is the existence of concrete grievances among an identifiable subgroup of a larger population, such as an ethnic minority discriminated against by the majority. This is not to say, however, that the existence of a dissatisfied minority or majority is a necessary or even a sufficient cause for terrorism; for not all those who are discriminated against turn to terrorism.
The second condition that can create motivations for terrorism is the lack of opportunity for political participation. The last category of situational factors involves the concept of a precipitated event that immediately precedes outbreaks of terrorism. While general consensus points to the fact that precipitants (trigger causes) are usually unpredictable, a common pattern has emerged that highlights particular government actions as catalysts for terrorism. Terrorist retaliations can thus occur as a result of unusual and unexpected use of force by the government, a so-called “action-reaction syndrome” (Crenshaw 1981, 385). In general, provocative events that call for revenge or action, may trigger terrorist action by spoilers on both sides. Contested elections, police brutality and even peace talks are all examples of triggering causes.

Source: http://www.transnationalterrorism.eu/tekst/publications/Root%20and%20Trigger.pdf

Didn't like the riots in Ferguson--but those are hardly the same as murder.

Anonymous wrote:Ha ha ha!!! Did you just compare Ferguson to jihad and terrorism??? Oy vey.

+1000. My jaw dropped when I read that too. There just isn't a shred of common sense behind that giant mouth of hers.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Racism, Religious Bigotry and Discrimination does not promote a more "civil" society. "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass

Except the ranks of ISIS are apparently full of young Muslims from the Western countries where you cannot possibly say they lacked opportunity for advancement.

Read about ISIS history, how it started and what they are fighting for. They are able radicalize young western people, some of whom have identity crisis, just like young Americans join gangs, do drugs, get drugs, you will find some young Muslims joining these groups because they give them a sense of identity and belonging. Radicalization is an individualized process so I can't paint them all with the same brush, but most of them are young men and women looking to belong to a group/movement that gives them a purpose. There are many underlying reasons, and this is just one of them .

Then there is no reason to say that terrorist groups attract only the poor, the dispossessed and the uneducated.

I did not say that

then what exactly did you mean with your douglass quote?

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Racism, Religious Bigotry and Discrimination does not promote a more "civil" society. "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass

Except the ranks of ISIS are apparently full of young Muslims from the Western countries where you cannot possibly say they lacked opportunity for advancement.

Read about ISIS history, how it started and what they are fighting for. They are able radicalize young western people, some of whom have identity crisis, just like young Americans join gangs, do drugs, get drugs, you will find some young Muslims joining these groups because they give them a sense of identity and belonging. Radicalization is an individualized process so I can't paint them all with the same brush, but most of them are young men and women looking to belong to a group/movement that gives them a purpose. There are many underlying reasons, and this is just one of them .

Then there is no reason to say that terrorist groups attract only the poor, the dispossessed and the uneducated.

I did not say that

Anonymous wrote:we aren't seeing poor people living in SE DC or Appalachia take up weapons and commit jihad, right? So it's gotta be something else.

You know come to think of it...I don't think we ever see poor people living in Iran or Syria going to their elected officials about more jobs and more affordable housing, etc.
Yeah...there is something else.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Racism, Religious Bigotry and Discrimination does not promote a more "civil" society. "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass

The study cited upthread says it ain't so.

And there are studies that show that suppression of civil liberties and political rights are one of the main causes of Terrorism

Pls post.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Racism, Religious Bigotry and Discrimination does not promote a more "civil" society. "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass

Except the ranks of ISIS are apparently full of young Muslims from the Western countries where you cannot possibly say they lacked opportunity for advancement.

Read about ISIS history, how it started and what they are fighting for. They are able radicalize young western people, some of whom have identity crisis, just like young Americans join gangs, do drugs, get drugs, you will find some young Muslims joining these groups because they give them a sense of identity and belonging. Radicalization is an individualized process so I can't paint them all with the same brush, but most of them are young men and women looking to belong to a group/movement that gives them a purpose. There are many underlying reasons, and this is just one of them .

Then there is no reason to say that terrorist groups attract only the poor, the dispossessed and the uneducated.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Racism, Religious Bigotry and Discrimination does not promote a more "civil" society. "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass

The study cited upthread says it ain't so.

And there are studies that show that suppression of civil liberties and political rights are one of the main causes of Terrorism

Ha ha ha!!! Did you just compare Ferguson to jihad and terrorism??? Oy vey.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Racism, Religious Bigotry and Discrimination does not promote a more "civil" society. "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass

Except the ranks of ISIS are apparently full of young Muslims from the Western countries where you cannot possibly say they lacked opportunity for advancement.

Read about ISIS history, how it started and what they are fighting for. They are able radicalize young western people, some of whom have identity crisis, just like young Americans join gangs, do drugs, get drugs, you will find some young Muslims joining these groups because they give them a sense of identity and belonging. Radicalization is an individualized process so I can't paint them all with the same brush, but most of them are young men and women looking to belong to a group/movement that gives them a purpose. There are many underlying reasons, and this is just one of them .

Anonymous wrote:Tru dat, Muslima...except we aren't seeing poor people living in SE DC or Appalachia take up weapons and commit jihad, right? So it's gotta be something else.

Ferguson?

Muslima wrote:Racism, Religious Bigotry and Discrimination does not promote a more "civil" society. "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass

The study cited upthread says it ain't so.

Muslima wrote:Racism, Religious Bigotry and Discrimination does not promote a more "civil" society. "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass

Except the ranks of ISIS are apparently full of young Muslims from the Western countries where you cannot possibly say they lacked opportunity for advancement.

Tru dat, Muslima...except we aren't seeing poor people living in SE DC or Appalachia take up weapons and commit jihad, right? So it's gotta be something else.