Muslima
Post 01/07/2015 12:49     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
Muslima wrote:In the words of my friend, nothing can justify the disgraceful attacks against Charlie Hebdo. Murder is murder. It is not the Prophet (saw) who was avenged, it is our religion, our values and Islamic principles that have been betrayed and tainted . The kind of things ?CharlieHebdo? published were not decent. But whatever filth they published, they did NOT deserve to be killed for it.
Now even if the perpetrators of the attack claimed to be Muslim and supposedly shouted that they "avenged the Prophet", Muslims, either individually or collectively, are not responsible for what happened and should not have to apologize for being Muslim nor should they be or feel forced to distance themselves from the attacks. This is not some kind of declaration of war on Western civilization. Both the universal freedom of speech as well as Islam as a religion of compassion are under attack here. With the neo-fascist Front National growing in France, the Islamophobic Pegida next door, the far-right growing everywhere and a security state across the West waiting for any excuse to seize more civil liberties, nobody wins here by giving in to this rhetoric but those who want to sow hate on all sides.
Yes, we should be angry and sad about what happened, but we should not accept the invitation of the perpetrators of the attack to join them in their hatefulness. My deep sympathy and sincere condolences to the families of the victims.
There are many who would say Charlie Hebdo was not filth but satire. Just as many would say the Onion, which I enjoy, is satire.

However, everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion of what they view as filth. That's my and your right. How sad that someones definition of 'filth' took away the lives of husbands, wives, parents, sisters, brothers, and the right of free speech.


And I agree with you that they shouldn't be killed for it. Btw what I posted was in the words of my friend, not mine. I personally think some of their cartoons were distasteful and many angered lots of folks. Should they be killed for it? Of course not!
jsteele
Post 01/07/2015 12:49     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
As usual you go right for ad hominem as opposed to just posting something that furthers the discussion. It's just interesting that until I posed the question I hadn't seen a link, all I had seen was lots of talks about condemnation.


The message I posted contained no ad hominem, unlike the very next message you posted. I guess that since you only asked for links, I should have posted a link rather than the actual tweet. I'll try to comply more fully with your requests in the future. But, maybe you should ask yourself whether given the number of links posted, their might be a problem with your normal news sources. There was really no reason that you should have been so uniformed.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:42     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
Muslima wrote:In the words of my friend, nothing can justify the disgraceful attacks against Charlie Hebdo. Murder is murder. It is not the Prophet (saw) who was avenged, it is our religion, our values and Islamic principles that have been betrayed and tainted . The kind of things ?CharlieHebdo? published were not decent. But whatever filth they published, they did NOT deserve to be killed for it.
Now even if the perpetrators of the attack claimed to be Muslim and supposedly shouted that they "avenged the Prophet", Muslims, either individually or collectively, are not responsible for what happened and should not have to apologize for being Muslim nor should they be or feel forced to distance themselves from the attacks. This is not some kind of declaration of war on Western civilization. Both the universal freedom of speech as well as Islam as a religion of compassion are under attack here. With the neo-fascist Front National growing in France, the Islamophobic Pegida next door, the far-right growing everywhere and a security state across the West waiting for any excuse to seize more civil liberties, nobody wins here by giving in to this rhetoric but those who want to sow hate on all sides.
Yes, we should be angry and sad about what happened, but we should not accept the invitation of the perpetrators of the attack to join them in their hatefulness. My deep sympathy and sincere condolences to the families of the victims.
There are many who would say Charlie Hebdo was not filth but satire. Just as many would say the Onion, which I enjoy, is satire.

However, everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion of what they view as filth. That's my and your right. How sad that someones definition of 'filth' took away the lives of husbands, wives, parents, sisters, brothers, and the right of free speech.


Amen. This is why even people like Muslima are ultimately contributing to the problem, even if they don't realize it.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:41     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:What would be good here is for someone to link to statements by Muslim leaders who condemn the attack given what the terrorists shouted. Wouldn't it be in the interest of the muslim community, particularly in France, for someone to come forward with a condemnation?

It's all over the net. It always is. Why does someone have to link it?


so share a link.


So google.


now you need to prove it to me. prove me wrong.


This is a stupid tangent of this discussion. Muslim leaders always condemn this sort of attack. Why nobody ever seems to know about such condemnations is worthy of discussion, but let's just say that those condemnations don't always serve other's agenda. Here is what Tariq Ramadan had to say:



As usual you go right for ad hominem as opposed to just posting something that furthers the discussion. It's just interesting that until I posed the question I hadn't seen a link, all I had seen was lots of talks about condemnation.
jsteele
Post 01/07/2015 12:38     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What would be good here is for someone to link to statements by Muslim leaders who condemn the attack given what the terrorists shouted. Wouldn't it be in the interest of the muslim community, particularly in France, for someone to come forward with a condemnation?

It's all over the net. It always is. Why does someone have to link it?


so share a link.


So google.


now you need to prove it to me. prove me wrong.


This is a stupid tangent of this discussion. Muslim leaders always condemn this sort of attack. Why nobody ever seems to know about such condemnations is worthy of discussion, but let's just say that those condemnations don't always serve other's agenda. Here is what Tariq Ramadan had to say:

Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:36     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Muslima wrote:In the words of my friend, nothing can justify the disgraceful attacks against Charlie Hebdo. Murder is murder. It is not the Prophet (saw) who was avenged, it is our religion, our values and Islamic principles that have been betrayed and tainted . The kind of things ?CharlieHebdo? published were not decent. But whatever filth they published, they did NOT deserve to be killed for it.
Now even if the perpetrators of the attack claimed to be Muslim and supposedly shouted that they "avenged the Prophet", Muslims, either individually or collectively, are not responsible for what happened and should not have to apologize for being Muslim nor should they be or feel forced to distance themselves from the attacks. This is not some kind of declaration of war on Western civilization. Both the universal freedom of speech as well as Islam as a religion of compassion are under attack here. With the neo-fascist Front National growing in France, the Islamophobic Pegida next door, the far-right growing everywhere and a security state across the West waiting for any excuse to seize more civil liberties, nobody wins here by giving in to this rhetoric but those who want to sow hate on all sides.
Yes, we should be angry and sad about what happened, but we should not accept the invitation of the perpetrators of the attack to join them in their hatefulness. My deep sympathy and sincere condolences to the families of the victims.
There are many who would say Charlie Hebdo was not filth but satire. Just as many would say the Onion, which I enjoy, is satire.

However, everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion of what they view as filth. That's my and your right. How sad that someones definition of 'filth' took away the lives of husbands, wives, parents, sisters, brothers, and the right of free speech.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:36     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
Muslims, either individually or collectively, are not responsible for what happened and should not have to apologize for being Muslim nor should they be or feel forced to distance themselves from the attacks.

Is it just me, or is this statement inconsistent?


Yes, it is. It's rhetoric for support
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:36     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What would be good here is for someone to link to statements by Muslim leaders who condemn the attack given what the terrorists shouted. Wouldn't it be in the interest of the muslim community, particularly in France, for someone to come forward with a condemnation?

It's all over the net. It always is. Why does someone have to link it?


so share a link.


So google.


now you need to prove it to me. prove me wrong.


No. 99% of ignorance is laziness. Your lack of education is not my problem.


And let's just go on record that you were the one to throw the first stone.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2015/01/07/World-leaders-condemn-Paris-shooting-attack-.html

Maybe tone down the emotional response a little bit and we can have a real discussion about the issue.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:34     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
The Conseil Francais du Culte Musulman and the Union des Organisations Islamiques de France both condemned the attacks.

http://www.lecfcm.fr/?p=3908

http://www.uoif-online.com/communiques/attentat-contre-charlie-hebdo-appel-cohesion-nationale-contre-barbarie/

Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:29     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What would be good here is for someone to link to statements by Muslim leaders who condemn the attack given what the terrorists shouted. Wouldn't it be in the interest of the muslim community, particularly in France, for someone to come forward with a condemnation?

It's all over the net. It always is. Why does someone have to link it?


so share a link.


So google.


now you need to prove it to me. prove me wrong.


No. 99% of ignorance is laziness. Your lack of education is not my problem.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:28     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Muslims, either individually or collectively, are not responsible for what happened and should not have to apologize for being Muslim nor should they be or feel forced to distance themselves from the attacks.

Is it just me, or is this statement inconsistent?
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:27     Subject: terrorist attack in Paris
Cyril Hanouna (of Tunisian origin) is canceling his comedy show tonight in solidarity of the victims.

https://twitter.com/cyrilhanouna

Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:27     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What would be good here is for someone to link to statements by Muslim leaders who condemn the attack given what the terrorists shouted. Wouldn't it be in the interest of the muslim community, particularly in France, for someone to come forward with a condemnation?

It's all over the net. It always is. Why does someone have to link it?


so share a link.


So google.


now you need to prove it to me. prove me wrong.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:26     Subject: terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are at war. Its not going away. Face it.


I don't see war against these people as the solution. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan didn't accomplish much. The way to take down the terrorists is through policing, infiltrating these terrorist cells and arresting the perpetrators.
A war against terrorism will be as effective as the war against drugs has been.


There hasn't been a real war. A real war would involve pre-emptive and decisive nuclear strikes like Japan except with complete rounding up and execution since the new enemy is uncivilized and does not surrender.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2015 12:26     Subject: Re:terrorist attack in Paris
Anonymous wrote:http://wonkette.com/571316/all-muslims-everywhere-murder-french-satirists-lone-wolf-acting-alone-bombs-naacp-alone

This about sums it up.


How many armed gunmen yelling racial slurs ran it to the building and shot 12 people? oh right, none. that's a pretty insensitive comparison to make today.