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Anonymous wrote:I know this is the current meme.

When I look at my friend, who will retire in a few years and get almost her entire salary and benefits in retirement for years and years beyond, I don't see her as underpaid. Neither does she.

Do people forget about this perk when saying teachers are underpaid?

That benefit isn't what it was years ago.

She's getting 95% of her salary every year upon retirement. Plus full health.

When did she get hired?

Years ago. I understand the benefits packages have changed. Could that have something to do with the number of illegals who received amnesty over the years being educated in the schools and the tax base unable to support all of it?

So you're concluding that teachers aren't underpaid, based on your friend who was hired years ago and receives benefits that teachers hired more recently do not receive?

Also, no.

I'm saying that teachers receive benefits that private sector doesn't and that must be considered as pay as well.

There was a teacher pp who said she wasn't paid for summers because they deduct off money from her check during the year. She doesn't even realize that her salary, 50K per year, pays her for summers. Was she expecting 50K for ten months then an additional two months cash on top of that?

I make 37K a year, district is on a hiring freeze (and has been for years) so its unlikely to go up anytime soon.

Would you consider that underpaid?

Anonymous wrote:Most teachers are morons. Some are fine.

Most lawyers are morons. Some are fine.

Anonymous wrote:Teachers are among those who receive the lowest SAT scores.

I think you may have the lowest SAT score of anyone around b/c you post the same thing again and again.

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A monkey could do a better job.

You think that is bad? Really????

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is the current meme.

When I look at my friend, who will retire in a few years and get almost her entire salary and benefits in retirement for years and years beyond, I don't see her as underpaid. Neither does she.

Do people forget about this perk when saying teachers are underpaid?

That pension depending highly on where you are and when you started teaching. I am a young/ new teacher and in my city, recent teachers have a much worse pension than those who have been in for even 5 years, and especially a few decades

Agree. I started in 2000 and based on this discussion, I went in and calculated my pension. It depends on how many years I work, but if I work 30 years, I will bring home about $4000/month in my VRC pension and another $2000 in my ERFC pension (this is FCPS). The ERFC goes down significantly (to about $800/month) once social security kicks in. That is all pre-tax, so I have no idea what it would really be take home. Not sure about health insurance - I know it is not fully covered for retirees in FCPS and I think the premiums are hefty. This all has changed, though, for recent hires, and I am not even sure that if I work that long, the pensions will still be funded by then. It's not bad, I agree, but another 15 years as a teacher is somewhat daunting to me.

Anonymous wrote:I know this is the current meme.

When I look at my friend, who will retire in a few years and get almost her entire salary and benefits in retirement for years and years beyond, I don't see her as underpaid. Neither does she.

Do people forget about this perk when saying teachers are underpaid?

That pension depending highly on where you are and when you started teaching. I am a young/ new teacher and in my city, recent teachers have a much worse pension than those who have been in for even 5 years, and especially a few decades

Teachers are probably underpaid if you take into account the importance of their job, the number of hours most ACTUALLY work, and the responsibility which they have.

The issue I have is the number of people who believe THEY could teach children more effectively than talented teachers. Not everyone can be a teacher. It is important to know the content that one is teaching, but there is so much more to teaching. The organization, the engagement techniques, the management of a group of 25+ students - all with different abilities and different needs. Teaching is a demanding job and requires a skill set encompassing much more than command of content.
This is what bothers me about the public perception of teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is the current meme.

When I look at my friend, who will retire in a few years and get almost her entire salary and benefits in retirement for years and years beyond, I don't see her as underpaid. Neither does she.

Do people forget about this perk when saying teachers are underpaid?

That benefit isn't what it was years ago.

She's getting 95% of her salary every year upon retirement. Plus full health.

When did she get hired?

Years ago. I understand the benefits packages have changed. Could that have something to do with the number of illegals who received amnesty over the years being educated in the schools and the tax base unable to support all of it?

So you're concluding that teachers aren't underpaid, based on your friend who was hired years ago and receives benefits that teachers hired more recently do not receive?

Also, no.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is the current meme.

When I look at my friend, who will retire in a few years and get almost her entire salary and benefits in retirement for years and years beyond, I don't see her as underpaid. Neither does she.

Do people forget about this perk when saying teachers are underpaid?

That benefit isn't what it was years ago.

She's getting 95% of her salary every year upon retirement. Plus full health.

When did she get hired?

Years ago. I understand the benefits packages have changed. Could that have something to do with the number of illegals who received amnesty over the years being educated in the schools and the tax base unable to support all of it?

I teach on Long Island. I make $100,000 after teaching for 20 years. Health care, pension - thank you liberal taxpayers!

Anonymous wrote:I am a private school teacher with 20 years experience and a masters. I make almost $50,000. (Although I do have a retirement package and healthcare.) But, YES!!!, I do feel I am massively underpaid for my work. 1) VERY important job. 2) I do a GREAT job! There is little room for $ growth, except for the 2.5% raise each year. FYI: Privates typically pay less...much less. (Without going into the details, at this point, going public school is not a possibility. I also LOVE my school- minus the paycheck.) The holidays/summers off are another perk, although contrary to the belief of many, we are not truly "paid" for the summer. Money is deducted from Sept-June to ration out for the summer.

So you do all that for rich people? I wouldn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, you do know that many military personnel frequently work far, far more than most civilians. More often than you realize.

Ah, right and teachers don't. Gotcha.

No, they don't. I'm a teacher, married to a teacher. We don't work harder than other working adults. We just don't.

Some do, some don't. I've been teaching for 15 years and I don't work much more than school hours. Occasionally I take grading home on the weekends. Other teachers I know work many hours on weekends and at night.

That's likely true for any profession.

So, teachers do not in fact work harder than any other workers.

As a group, they (we) do have a martyr complex, though.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is the current meme.

When I look at my friend, who will retire in a few years and get almost her entire salary and benefits in retirement for years and years beyond, I don't see her as underpaid. Neither does she.

Do people forget about this perk when saying teachers are underpaid?

That benefit isn't what it was years ago.

She's getting 95% of her salary every year upon retirement. Plus full health.

When did she get hired?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this is the current meme.

When I look at my friend, who will retire in a few years and get almost her entire salary and benefits in retirement for years and years beyond, I don't see her as underpaid. Neither does she.

Do people forget about this perk when saying teachers are underpaid?

That benefit isn't what it was years ago.

She's getting 95% of her salary every year upon retirement. Plus full health.