Anonymous wrote:One of these schools that is being accused of cheating on a lottery to admit white students has 19% white kids. That means over 80% are AA at the school.

There is a weird perception in DC that a school has "gone white" if there are any white students at all in the building. We are a damaged city.

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Now they do. In the past it was a bit murkier, which is why Matthews wrote the article in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with Matthews and Martel that some of those numbers are way out of wack.

Washington Latin Lower School (41.7 percent)
BASIS Middle School (33.9?percent)
Washington Latin High School (23.9 percent)
Washington Yu Ying elementary school (22.2 percent)

If the pool of students is only 5 - 10% white, it takes some heavy duty self-selection (probable) or something nefarious (unlikely) to get to those percentages. Reminds me of SWS, another school with miraculously high white enrollment (67%).

If nothing else, this could shed some light on comparisons between HRCS and DCPS. If HRCS's have a built in 20-30% boost in high SES enrollment, then those average DC-CAS scores should be that much higher than DCPS, not slightly above par.

I don't think you are looking at the numbers in the right way. Enrollment should match the population of the city not the kids enrolled in public schools. Point being that many families (black and white) have enrolled their children in these schools but would not consider their neighborhood public school. if excluded from these charters yhey would either move or go private. So if you kick these kids out of the charters, the numbers across the city are not going to re-balance.

Thank you. Are you people really that dense? How can you not get it? I guarantee you that if a white family did not get into Basis or Latin for middle school, they will not be attending any other charter in the city. These schools should be praised for being an acceptable alternative for what would otherwise be fleeing students. These school represent the city's population and is doing so organically.

The original premise of charter schools was that they would bring an opportunity higher educational standards for every child, especially "inner city" youth. Now, some of them seem to be morphing into publically funded enclaves for connected families. I'm a big fan of the common lottery, but some of these demographic trends seem to have been baked into the cake before the lottery was implemented.

But there is nothing "connected" about it. All families apply by lottery - either you're lucky or unlucky.

Now they do. In the past it was a bit murkier, which is why Matthews wrote the article in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with Matthews and Martel that some of those numbers are way out of wack.

Washington Latin Lower School (41.7 percent)
BASIS Middle School (33.9?percent)
Washington Latin High School (23.9 percent)
Washington Yu Ying elementary school (22.2 percent)

If the pool of students is only 5 - 10% white, it takes some heavy duty self-selection (probable) or something nefarious (unlikely) to get to those percentages. Reminds me of SWS, another school with miraculously high white enrollment (67%).

If nothing else, this could shed some light on comparisons between HRCS and DCPS. If HRCS's have a built in 20-30% boost in high SES enrollment, then those average DC-CAS scores should be that much higher than DCPS, not slightly above par.

Whoah whoah whoah. Where are you getting this 5-10% white? Most recent Census data shows that DC is now 43.4% white. http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/11000.html

That's what should be "normal" in terms of a citywide distribution. Any number under that is disproportionately low.

Anonymous wrote:I agree with Matthews and Martel that some of those numbers are way out of wack.

Washington Latin Lower School (41.7 percent)
BASIS Middle School (33.9?percent)
Washington Latin High School (23.9 percent)
Washington Yu Ying elementary school (22.2 percent)

If the pool of students is only 5 - 10% white, it takes some heavy duty self-selection (probable) or something nefarious (unlikely) to get to those percentages. Reminds me of SWS, another school with miraculously high white enrollment (67%).

If nothing else, this could shed some light on comparisons between HRCS and DCPS. If HRCS's have a built in 20-30% boost in high SES enrollment, then those average DC-CAS scores should be that much higher than DCPS, not slightly above par.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with Matthews and Martel that some of those numbers are way out of wack.

Washington Latin Lower School (41.7 percent)
BASIS Middle School (33.9?percent)
Washington Latin High School (23.9 percent)
Washington Yu Ying elementary school (22.2 percent)

If the pool of students is only 5 - 10% white, it takes some heavy duty self-selection (probable) or something nefarious (unlikely) to get to those percentages. Reminds me of SWS, another school with miraculously high white enrollment (67%).

If nothing else, this could shed some light on comparisons between HRCS and DCPS. If HRCS's have a built in 20-30% boost in high SES enrollment, then those average DC-CAS scores should be that much higher than DCPS, not slightly above par.

I don't think you are looking at the numbers in the right way. Enrollment should match the population of the city not the kids enrolled in public schools. Point being that many families (black and white) have enrolled their children in these schools but would not consider their neighborhood public school. if excluded from these charters yhey would either move or go private. So if you kick these kids out of the charters, the numbers across the city are not going to re-balance.

Thank you. Are you people really that dense? How can you not get it? I guarantee you that if a white family did not get into Basis or Latin for middle school, they will not be attending any other charter in the city. These schools should be praised for being an acceptable alternative for what would otherwise be fleeing students. These school represent the city's population and is doing so organically.

The original premise of charter schools was that they would bring an opportunity higher educational standards for every child, especially "inner city" youth. Now, some of them seem to be morphing into publically funded enclaves for connected families. I'm a big fan of the common lottery, but some of these demographic trends seem to have been baked into the cake before the lottery was implemented.

But there is nothing "connected" about it. All families apply by lottery - either you're lucky or unlucky.

Anonymous wrote:My children live in NE less than a mile from the center of the city. Let's stop the term "inner city youth" if what you actually mean is "poor black and brown youth".

I'm tired of hearing how Washington DC should be for all the people in all 8 wards and all children should have high quality education -- when the people who say that really mean we should only focus resources on the least among us and screw anyone who is white and/or moderately successful.

The new middle class in DC is not necessarily all AA and not able to afford $40k a year for private school, but we have bought homes and pay our taxes. If you don't want us to stay, block us out of the charters that keep us here, because our IB options are bad. We will flee to the suburbs and Martel can have his educational utopia of ensconced rich kids in private schools/ward 3 DCPS and hard-case kids in the charters.

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The original premise of charter schools was that they would bring an opportunity higher educational standards for every child, especially "inner city" youth. Now, some of them seem to be morphing into publically funded enclaves for connected families. I'm a big fan of the common lottery, but some of these demographic trends seem to have been baked into the cake before the lottery was implemented.

But there is nothing "connected" about it. All families apply by lottery - either you're lucky or unlucky.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with Matthews and Martel that some of those numbers are way out of wack.

Washington Latin Lower School (41.7 percent)
BASIS Middle School (33.9?percent)
Washington Latin High School (23.9 percent)
Washington Yu Ying elementary school (22.2 percent)

If the pool of students is only 5 - 10% white, it takes some heavy duty self-selection (probable) or something nefarious (unlikely) to get to those percentages. Reminds me of SWS, another school with miraculously high white enrollment (67%).

If nothing else, this could shed some light on comparisons between HRCS and DCPS. If HRCS's have a built in 20-30% boost in high SES enrollment, then those average DC-CAS scores should be that much higher than DCPS, not slightly above par.

I don't think you are looking at the numbers in the right way. Enrollment should match the population of the city not the kids enrolled in public schools. Point being that many families (black and white) have enrolled their children in these schools but would not consider their neighborhood public school. if excluded from these charters yhey would either move or go private. So if you kick these kids out of the charters, the numbers across the city are not going to re-balance.

Thank you. Are you people really that dense? How can you not get it? I guarantee you that if a white family did not get into Basis or Latin for middle school, they will not be attending any other charter in the city. These schools should be praised for being an acceptable alternative for what would otherwise be fleeing students. These school represent the city's population and is doing so organically.

The original premise of charter schools was that they would bring an opportunity higher educational standards for every child, especially "inner city" youth. Now, some of them seem to be morphing into publically funded enclaves for connected families. I'm a big fan of the common lottery, but some of these demographic trends seem to have been baked into the cake before the lottery was implemented.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with Matthews and Martel that some of those numbers are way out of wack.

Washington Latin Lower School (41.7 percent)
BASIS Middle School (33.9?percent)
Washington Latin High School (23.9 percent)
Washington Yu Ying elementary school (22.2 percent)

If the pool of students is only 5 - 10% white, it takes some heavy duty self-selection (probable) or something nefarious (unlikely) to get to those percentages. Reminds me of SWS, another school with miraculously high white enrollment (67%).

If nothing else, this could shed some light on comparisons between HRCS and DCPS. If HRCS's have a built in 20-30% boost in high SES enrollment, then those average DC-CAS scores should be that much higher than DCPS, not slightly above par.

I don't think you are looking at the numbers in the right way. Enrollment should match the population of the city not the kids enrolled in public schools. Point being that many families (black and white) have enrolled their children in these schools but would not consider their neighborhood public school. if excluded from these charters yhey would either move or go private. So if you kick these kids out of the charters, the numbers across the city are not going to re-balance.

Thank you. Are you people really that dense? How can you not get it? I guarantee you that if a white family did not get into Basis or Latin for middle school, they will not be attending any other charter in the city. These schools should be praised for being an acceptable alternative for what would otherwise be fleeing students. These school represent the city's population and is doing so organically.

The original premise of charter schools was that they would bring an opportunity higher educational standards for every child, especially "inner city" youth. Now, some of them seem to be morphing into publically funded enclaves for connected families. I'm a big fan of the common lottery, but some of these demographic trends seem to have been baked into the cake before the lottery was implemented.

Isn't there a contradiction in saying "for every child/especially..." How bout we stick.with for every child?