Anonymous
09/10/2014 17:05
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:The veil requirement is its own subject. Some women have a hard time with it. Perhaps I will give it its own thread,
Why just veils? How about a thread on the Quranic verse re striking/tapping your wife for disobedience? Have we covered things like dowry? Maybe I'll bring these up on your new thread, because I agree, women deserve their on thread in general.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 17:02
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
The veil requirement is its own subject. Some women have a hard time with it. Perhaps I will give it its own thread,
Anonymous
09/10/2014 16:50
Subject: Re:Why Some People Convert to Islam
Maybe because of all the Abrahamic religions, (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) Islam simply makes the most sense to them.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 16:29
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get your position. Is it your argument that men NEEDED to marry multiples to provide for women widowed by wars? Or that they SHOULDN'T have, because it's clearly impossible to be fair to more than one?
Men needed to have polygamy because wartime widows & womens inability to provide for themselves back then warranted that situation. Not enough single men to marry widows. But only the best of character should be permitted, because it hurts most women to be in a polygamous marriage.
But it's not like wartime somehow generates more men of the best of character. Under your vision of polygamy, still very few would qualify for multiple wives. The Quran only offers one guidance, not one for wartime and one for peace time.
Yes, women are hurt by polygamous marriages, and Muhammad knew this, because he made sure his only child, Fatima, was in a monogamous marriage by not letting her husband Ali take more wives. "What hurts Fatima, hurts me." Although tradition has it he loved Ali like his own son, so you'd hardly say Ali didn't have the "best of character."
Anonymous
09/10/2014 16:22
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:
Its funny to us, too, whenMuslims when nonMuslims tell us hadith or some fanatical scholar's words represent all Muslims world wide. Some PPs didn't post accurate things about Islam either.
Can you please explain why, if the Old Testament is part of the Bible, Christians reject it? Or do they only reject those parts in conflict with the New Testament? If so, was covering the head expressly rejected in the New Testsment?
I hear you. By my count, this was explained twice already on the other thread, maybe more. Happy to explain again, though.
Jesus said that there were two main commandments from the OT, re loving God and your neighbor. Jesus explicitly threw out a LOT of OT stuff. Jesus threw out "eye for eye", no divorce, and all the dietary rules, for example. See Matthew 5 and 15 for these. So Christians don't usually feel themselves firmly bound by the OT, except for the literalists (who are decreasing in number).
I don't think the OT makes a good analogy to shariah. Muslims in many areas still practice shariah, Muslim judges still make rulings within shariah. But as I've said, Christians usually don't feel bound by the OT-- because Jesus to them not to feel bound by many of OT rules.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 16:12
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PP again. OK, I can't resist this one point.
Anonymous wrote:To the poster and others who wanted to know why WOMEN are converting to Islam….
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8. The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}
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Your highly selective source only quotes Paul's letter to the Corinthians.
Strangely, it failed to mention what Jesus actually said. Jesus actually said this:
Matthew 5:28-29: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."
In other words, Jesus places the onus squarely on the man to control himself. He doesn't require that women veil themselves because men can't control their urges. Works for me!
But how did you come to the conclusion that these two, either the man gouging his eyes out if he visually lusts or the woman wearing a head cover, mutually exclusive? Couldn't God in the Bible have required women to cover their heads AND also impose the punishment on men for looking?
In Islam, BOTH are commanded: the men need to lower their gaze around women and the woman required to dress modestly.
Looks to me that Christianity & Islam are almost identical on this point!
Nope! Jesus never mentioned veils. Paul was writing to communities of early Christians. Most Christians see Paul as being divinely inspired, others reject him completely, but the key point is this: Paul is not Jesus.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 16:00
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get your position. Is it your argument that men NEEDED to marry multiples to provide for women widowed by wars? Or that they SHOULDN'T have, because it's clearly impossible to be fair to more than one?
Men needed to have polygamy because wartime widows & womens inability to provide for themselves back then warranted that situation. Not enough single men to marry widows. But only the best of character should be permitted, because it hurts most women to be in a polygamous marriage.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 15:57
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
"I don't have the time or inclination to respond to your points one-by-one. I will make a general comment: I'm surprised you'd cut and paste something like this, because it really gives a negative feeling for Muslims' conversion efforts, and suggests your proselytizing really lacks integrity.
This is a very selective cut-and-paste from documents that the author appear unfamiliar with. Off the top of my head,
-- Where is the Mary and Martha story, and similar things from the gospels?
-- Thanks for the clips from Paul's letters, but Paul isn't Jesus.
-- We've explained to you how funny it seems when non-Christians tell us Christians that we should take the Old Testament literally. So why are you once again relying on a source that itself relies heavily on the Old Testament?
-- If you don't understand what I'm talking about re the gospels, Mary and Martha, Paul and Old Testament literalism, then you really shouldn't be posting things that rely on these things."
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Its funny to us, too, whenMuslims when nonMuslims tell us hadith or some fanatical scholar's words represent all Muslims world wide. Some PPs didn't post accurate things about Islam either.
Can you please explain why, if the Old Testament is part of the Bible, Christians reject it? Or do they only reject those parts in conflict with the New Testament? If so, was covering the head expressly rejected in the New Testsment?
This is a very selective cut-and-paste from documents that the author appear unfamiliar with. Off the top of my head,
-- Where is the Mary and Martha story, and similar things from the gospels?
-- Thanks for the clips from Paul's letters, but Paul isn't Jesus.
-- We've explained to you how funny it seems when non-Christians tell us Christians that we should take the Old Testament literally. So why are you once again relying on a source that itself relies heavily on the Old Testament?
-- If you don't understand what I'm talking about re the gospels, Mary and Martha, Paul and Old Testament literalism, then you really shouldn't be posting things that rely on these things."
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Its funny to us, too, whenMuslims when nonMuslims tell us hadith or some fanatical scholar's words represent all Muslims world wide. Some PPs didn't post accurate things about Islam either.
Can you please explain why, if the Old Testament is part of the Bible, Christians reject it? Or do they only reject those parts in conflict with the New Testament? If so, was covering the head expressly rejected in the New Testsment?
Anonymous
09/10/2014 15:49
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:PP again. OK, I can't resist this one point.
Anonymous wrote:To the poster and others who wanted to know why WOMEN are converting to Islam….
...
8. The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}
...
Your highly selective source only quotes Paul's letter to the Corinthians.
Strangely, it failed to mention what Jesus actually said. Jesus actually said this:
Matthew 5:28-29: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."
In other words, Jesus places the onus squarely on the man to control himself. He doesn't require that women veil themselves because men can't control their urges. Works for me!
But how did you come to the conclusion that these two, either the man gouging his eyes out if he visually lusts or the woman wearing a head cover, mutually exclusive? Couldn't God in the Bible have required women to cover their heads AND also impose the punishment on men for looking?
In Islam, BOTH are commanded: the men need to lower their gaze around women and the woman required to dress modestly.
Looks to me that Christianity & Islam are almost identical on this point!
Anonymous
09/10/2014 15:41
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:PP again. I really can't resist this point, though.
Anonymous wrote:To the poster and others who wanted to know why WOMEN are converting to Islam….
8. The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}
Your highly selective source quotes Paul's letter to the Corinthians.
Strangely, it failed to mention what Jesus actually said. Jesus actually said this:
Matthew 5:28-29: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."
In other words, Jesus places the onus squarely on the man to control himself. He doesn't require that women veil themselves because men can't control their urges. Works for me!
Is Paul not respected or his words relevant in Christianity? Why is then his opinion in the Bible??
Anonymous
09/10/2014 13:25
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Ooops, sorry for the double posting.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 13:25
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
PP again. OK, I can't resist this one point.
Your highly selective source only quotes Paul's letter to the Corinthians.
Strangely, it failed to mention what Jesus actually said. Jesus actually said this:
Matthew 5:28-29: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."
In other words, Jesus places the onus squarely on the man to control himself. He doesn't require that women veil themselves because men can't control their urges. Works for me!
Anonymous wrote:To the poster and others who wanted to know why WOMEN are converting to Islam….
...
8. The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}
...
Your highly selective source only quotes Paul's letter to the Corinthians.
Strangely, it failed to mention what Jesus actually said. Jesus actually said this:
Matthew 5:28-29: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."
In other words, Jesus places the onus squarely on the man to control himself. He doesn't require that women veil themselves because men can't control their urges. Works for me!
Anonymous
09/10/2014 13:23
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
PP again. I really can't resist this point, though.
Your highly selective source quotes Paul's letter to the Corinthians.
Strangely, it failed to mention what Jesus actually said. Jesus actually said this:
Matthew 5:28-29: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."
In other words, Jesus places the onus squarely on the man to control himself. He doesn't require that women veil themselves because men can't control their urges. Works for me!
Anonymous wrote:To the poster and others who wanted to know why WOMEN are converting to Islam….
8. The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}
Your highly selective source quotes Paul's letter to the Corinthians.
Strangely, it failed to mention what Jesus actually said. Jesus actually said this:
Matthew 5:28-29: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."
In other words, Jesus places the onus squarely on the man to control himself. He doesn't require that women veil themselves because men can't control their urges. Works for me!
Anonymous
09/10/2014 13:12
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
Anonymous wrote:To the poster and others who wanted to know why WOMEN are converting to Islam….
Please keep in mind, I do not think there is anything wrong with Christianity, nor is my purpose to proselytize. This is not to say Muslims don't proselytize. They do as do Christians. But that's not my intention here. From the Muslim standpoint, good Christians are going to Heaven too.
I simply saw another Muslim woman, Muslima being harassed and saw inaccuracies posted by our rabid Islam haters. So I simply want to dispel myths and also to explain the reason why people are converting.
Please remember I have not confirmed all of the statements in this article.
http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/women_why_converting.htm
Why are so many Women converting to Islam?
According to "The Plain Truth", February 1984, in its 50 Year Anniversary Issue, quoting from the "World Almanac and Book of Facts 1935" and "Reader's Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983", between 1934 and 1984.
Christianity increased 47%
World Population increased 136%
Islam increased 235%
100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam.
They're discovering the FACTS and not basing their decisions on biased media. They realise they deserve to know the complete unadulterated truth.
1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}.
The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Koran 7:19-25}
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9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Koran gave women voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.
This is Dedicated to Past, Present, and Future Muslim Sisters, Family and Friends, to the Devil who prefers slander and hype over facts. Peace and Blessings upon All.
I don't have the time or inclination to respond to your points one-by-one. I will make a general comment: I'm surprised you'd cut and paste something like this, because it really gives a negative feeling for Muslims' conversion efforts, and suggests your proselytizing really lacks integrity.
This is a very selective cut-and-paste from documents that the author appear unfamiliar with. Off the top of my head,
-- Where is the Mary and Martha story, and similar things from the gospels?
-- Thanks for the clips from Paul's letters, but Paul isn't Jesus.
-- We've explained to you how funny it seems when non-Christians tell us Christians that we should take the Old Testament literally. So why are you once again relying on a source that itself relies heavily on the Old Testament?
-- If you don't understand what I'm talking about re the gospels, Mary and Martha, Paul and Old Testament literalism, then you really shouldn't be posting things that rely on these things.
Anonymous
09/10/2014 12:55
Subject: Why Some People Convert to Islam
I don't quite get your position. Is it your argument that men NEEDED to marry multiples to provide for women widowed by wars? Or that they SHOULDN'T have, because it's clearly impossible to be fair to more than one?