Anonymous
05/28/2014 14:40
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
You have a reading comprehension problem, so discussion is a moot point
Anonymous
05/28/2014 12:00
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The thing is we Muslims do not give a rat's as.s whether you think this invalidates our religion or not, we are still going to believe what we do. We don't need a concil of nicea, we do not need anything. We are over A billion strong, and if your brain can not comprehend that there are extremists anywhere then we can't help you. We are not responsible and won't be held responsible for aNyone doing Anything in the NAME of our religion. We don't wake up daily wondering how we will atone ourselves because some lunatic blew themselves, just like you don't wake up every day wondering why some Christian Priests are molesting little boys daily.
Most Muslim Americans I know are tired of defending our faith in the wake of ongoing terrorism claimed in the name of Islam. We keep reminding our fellow Americans that there are bad apples in every barrel. That with five Muslims in one room you may get six opinions.
We point out, too, that maybe, just maybe, we're jumping to conclusions -- although in my heart of hearts I am resigned. Yet Catholics from the Irish Republican Army terrorized Great Britain for years. And a Jewish terrorist assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin. Homegrown Americans blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
Remember that terrorism is political, not religious - and even if people who are Muslim are indeed the perpetrators of this atrocity, neither Islam nor the billion-plus Muslims in the world are all to blame. It's just a few too many deranged and dangerous criminals who don't understand that Islam is a religion of mercy. And that is something I do understand, as do most other Muslims.
Let me reiterate something I've written before: These crimes against humanity are in no way a "jihad." They are in no way a struggle or striving to do God's will. These are acts of what we call in Arabic hiraba. Terrorism. They are acts that defile Islam. Every Muslim individual and organization I know condemns these acts of terrorism, BUT of course it won't be enough, so you know what? I don't give a rat's as.s, I can't repeat myself over and over and nor can the rest of the Muslims, so we will just sit and watch together
Thanks, you have just made the case against accepting your own religion. Reading someone talk like this is exactly what people need to be more against Islam. If you care about your religion you aught to care about the way it is viewed in the public and you should care about the horrible name people give Islam by torturing and murdering people throughout the world.
+1. NP here. I could quibble about your denying this is jihad - I've read the Quran - but you don't seem interested in discussion, just denying that there's a problem.
Anonymous
05/28/2014 11:18
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:
The thing is we Muslims do not give a rat's as.s whether you think this invalidates our religion or not, we are still going to believe what we do. We don't need a concil of nicea, we do not need anything. We are over A billion strong, and if your brain can not comprehend that there are extremists anywhere then we can't help you. We are not responsible and won't be held responsible for aNyone doing Anything in the NAME of our religion. We don't wake up daily wondering how we will atone ourselves because some lunatic blew themselves, just like you don't wake up every day wondering why some Christian Priests are molesting little boys daily.
Most Muslim Americans I know are tired of defending our faith in the wake of ongoing terrorism claimed in the name of Islam. We keep reminding our fellow Americans that there are bad apples in every barrel. That with five Muslims in one room you may get six opinions.
We point out, too, that maybe, just maybe, we're jumping to conclusions -- although in my heart of hearts I am resigned. Yet Catholics from the Irish Republican Army terrorized Great Britain for years. And a Jewish terrorist assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin. Homegrown Americans blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
Remember that terrorism is political, not religious - and even if people who are Muslim are indeed the perpetrators of this atrocity, neither Islam nor the billion-plus Muslims in the world are all to blame. It's just a few too many deranged and dangerous criminals who don't understand that Islam is a religion of mercy. And that is something I do understand, as do most other Muslims.
Let me reiterate something I've written before: These crimes against humanity are in no way a "jihad." They are in no way a struggle or striving to do God's will. These are acts of what we call in Arabic hiraba. Terrorism. They are acts that defile Islam. Every Muslim individual and organization I know condemns these acts of terrorism, BUT of course it won't be enough, so you know what? I don't give a rat's as.s, I can't repeat myself over and over and nor can the rest of the Muslims, so we will just sit and watch together
Thanks, you have just made the case against accepting your own religion. Reading someone talk like this is exactly what people need to be more against Islam. If you care about your religion you aught to care about the way it is viewed in the public and you should care about the horrible name people give Islam by torturing and murdering people throughout the world.
Anonymous
05/28/2014 10:49
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:The US has killed more Muslims over the past 30 years than all terrorist attacks COMBINED
If you take every death caused by a terrorist attack (including 9/11) over the past 30 years - and then add in everyone killed by mob violence in Islamic countries - it would absolutely pale in comparison to the number of Muslims that have been killed by the American military in the same time period.
In just the Iraq war alone, the US managed to kill nearly a million Iraqis - a large percentage of whom were civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict. Add to that the number of Muslims killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc in the so-called "War on Terror" so don't come here looking for sympathy!!!!
Not in the name of religion, and if is WAS in the name of religion, I CERTAINLY would not be a member.
Anonymous
05/28/2014 01:46
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
The US has killed more Muslims over the past 30 years than all terrorist attacks COMBINED
If you take every death caused by a terrorist attack (including 9/11) over the past 30 years - and then add in everyone killed by mob violence in Islamic countries - it would absolutely pale in comparison to the number of Muslims that have been killed by the American military in the same time period.
In just the Iraq war alone, the US managed to kill nearly a million Iraqis - a large percentage of whom were civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict. Add to that the number of Muslims killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc in the so-called "War on Terror" so don't come here looking for sympathy!!!!
If you take every death caused by a terrorist attack (including 9/11) over the past 30 years - and then add in everyone killed by mob violence in Islamic countries - it would absolutely pale in comparison to the number of Muslims that have been killed by the American military in the same time period.
In just the Iraq war alone, the US managed to kill nearly a million Iraqis - a large percentage of whom were civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict. Add to that the number of Muslims killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc in the so-called "War on Terror" so don't come here looking for sympathy!!!!
Anonymous
05/28/2014 01:34
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
No I don't care. Sue me
Anonymous
05/27/2014 23:49
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the last time people killed in the name of Christianity (and only to my knowledge) were the crusades (against islam).
So many people kill in the name of islam, and the faith as a whole is doing nothing about it. I know it's a small percentage, but I am sure only a small percentage of the KKK has killed people, but I'm not about to become a member of that organization either. The point is, as long as this behaviour has a basis in the Quran, it sort of invalidates the religion as a whole IMO. They need a council of nicea of sorts to address this issue once and for all and to have an official proclamation on their beliefs with regard to all of the various types of human rights violations (and deaths) in the name of islam.
Plus, the Quran flat out says the crucifixion was fabricated and is a lie. Even christianity doesn't say to judaism part of their religion is B.S. Again, this to me invalidates the whole Quran.
The thing is we Muslims do not give a rat's as.s whether you think this invalidates our religion or not, we are still going to believe what we do. We don't need a concil of nicea, we do not need anything. We are over A billion strong, and if your brain can not comprehend that there are extremists anywhere then we can't help you. We are not responsible and won't be held responsible for aNyone doing Anything in the NAME of our religion. We don't wake up daily wondering how we will atone ourselves because some lunatic blew themselves, just like you don't wake up every day wondering why some Christian Priests are molesting little boys daily.
Most Muslim Americans I know are tired of defending our faith in the wake of ongoing terrorism claimed in the name of Islam. We keep reminding our fellow Americans that there are bad apples in every barrel. That with five Muslims in one room you may get six opinions.
We point out, too, that maybe, just maybe, we're jumping to conclusions -- although in my heart of hearts I am resigned. Yet Catholics from the Irish Republican Army terrorized Great Britain for years. And a Jewish terrorist assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin. Homegrown Americans blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
Remember that terrorism is political, not religious -- and even if people who are Muslim are indeed the perpetrators of this atrocity, neither Islam nor the billion-plus Muslims in the world are all to blame. It's just a few too many deranged and dangerous criminals who don't understand that Islam is a religion of mercy. And that is something I do understand, as do most other Muslims.
Let me reiterate something I've written before: These crimes against humanity are in no way a "jihad." They are in no way a struggle or striving to do God's will. These are acts of what we call in Arabic hiraba. Terrorism. They are acts that defile Islam. Every Muslim individual and organization I know condemns these acts of terrorism, BUT of course it won't be enough, so you know what? I don't give a rat's as.s, I can't repeat myself over and over and nor can the rest of the Muslims, so we will just sit and watch together
Well, of course YOU feel no need to do anything, and of course you could "give a rats ass." That's the attitude I generally am seeing. And it is your I don't give a F attitude that people kill Americans in the name of your religion that makes your religion look so bad. Your people kill us in the name of your religion and you don't care what we think? Are you f-Ing serious??? And you DARE compare Islamic terrorists and 9/11 to Timothy mcveigh? I think you are cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Even my ex in Mecca sincerely told me he was sorry for 9/11 and felt bad.
Anonymous
05/27/2014 22:42
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the last time people killed in the name of Christianity (and only to my knowledge) were the crusades (against islam).
So many people kill in the name of islam, and the faith as a whole is doing nothing about it. I know it's a small percentage, but I am sure only a small percentage of the KKK has killed people, but I'm not about to become a member of that organization either. The point is, as long as this behaviour has a basis in the Quran, it sort of invalidates the religion as a whole IMO. They need a council of nicea of sorts to address this issue once and for all and to have an official proclamation on their beliefs with regard to all of the various types of human rights violations (and deaths) in the name of islam.
Plus, the Quran flat out says the crucifixion was fabricated and is a lie. Even christianity doesn't say to judaism part of their religion is B.S. Again, this to me invalidates the whole Quran.
The thing is we Muslims do not give a rat's as.s whether you think this invalidates our religion or not, we are still going to believe what we do. We don't need a concil of nicea, we do not need anything. We are over A billion strong, and if your brain can not comprehend that there are extremists anywhere then we can't help you. We are not responsible and won't be held responsible for aNyone doing Anything in the NAME of our religion. We don't wake up daily wondering how we will atone ourselves because some lunatic blew themselves, just like you don't wake up every day wondering why some Christian Priests are molesting little boys daily.
Most Muslim Americans I know are tired of defending our faith in the wake of ongoing terrorism claimed in the name of Islam. We keep reminding our fellow Americans that there are bad apples in every barrel. That with five Muslims in one room you may get six opinions.
We point out, too, that maybe, just maybe, we're jumping to conclusions -- although in my heart of hearts I am resigned. Yet Catholics from the Irish Republican Army terrorized Great Britain for years. And a Jewish terrorist assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin. Homegrown Americans blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
Remember that terrorism is political, not religious -- and even if people who are Muslim are indeed the perpetrators of this atrocity, neither Islam nor the billion-plus Muslims in the world are all to blame. It's just a few too many deranged and dangerous criminals who don't understand that Islam is a religion of mercy. And that is something I do understand, as do most other Muslims.
Let me reiterate something I've written before: These crimes against humanity are in no way a "jihad." They are in no way a struggle or striving to do God's will. These are acts of what we call in Arabic hiraba. Terrorism. They are acts that defile Islam. Every Muslim individual and organization I know condemns these acts of terrorism, BUT of course it won't be enough, so you know what? I don't give a rat's as.s, I can't repeat myself over and over and nor can the rest of the Muslims, so we will just sit and watch together
Anonymous
05/27/2014 22:23
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Yeah, the last time people killed in the name of Christianity (and only to my knowledge) were the crusades (against islam).
So many people kill in the name of islam, and the faith as a whole is doing nothing about it. I know it's a small percentage, but I am sure only a small percentage of the KKK has killed people, but I'm not about to become a member of that organization either. The point is, as long as this behaviour has a basis in the Quran, it sort of invalidates the religion as a whole IMO. They need a council of nicea of sorts to address this issue once and for all and to have an official proclamation on their beliefs with regard to all of the various types of human rights violations (and deaths) in the name of islam.
Plus, the Quran flat out says the crucifixion was fabricated and is a lie. Even christianity doesn't say to judaism part of their religion is B.S. Again, this to me invalidates the whole Quran.
So many people kill in the name of islam, and the faith as a whole is doing nothing about it. I know it's a small percentage, but I am sure only a small percentage of the KKK has killed people, but I'm not about to become a member of that organization either. The point is, as long as this behaviour has a basis in the Quran, it sort of invalidates the religion as a whole IMO. They need a council of nicea of sorts to address this issue once and for all and to have an official proclamation on their beliefs with regard to all of the various types of human rights violations (and deaths) in the name of islam.
Plus, the Quran flat out says the crucifixion was fabricated and is a lie. Even christianity doesn't say to judaism part of their religion is B.S. Again, this to me invalidates the whole Quran.
Anonymous
05/27/2014 22:23
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People are tortured and killed daily in the name of Allah. As long as that is going on Muslim religion will be viewed as it presents itself in the public.
If you're ignorant, yea, otherwise you will use your critical mind
If you are going to try and tell me that people are not tortured and killed in the name of Allah every day that's all I need to know in order to judge you.
So, can I judge Christians, because
Pograms
The Holocaust
Srebrenica
The "Troubles" in Ireland
Anti-abortion violence
and much more.
Oh look, another one of those "Other people do this and this bad stuff, so my bad stuff is just fine for me to do."
The Holocaust and the pogroms were not religiously motivated by the way. Yes, Jews were killed, but the reason there were killed was not because of their religion. It was because of their ethnicity. It was ethnically motivated (the supreme white skin, blonde hair, blue eyes race...)
Really, the Russians were restricted to the Pale of the Settlement, unless they converted to Orthodox Christianity. I'm pretty sure their ethnicity did not change upon conversion.
Anonymous
05/27/2014 21:35
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People are tortured and killed daily in the name of Allah. As long as that is going on Muslim religion will be viewed as it presents itself in the public.
If you're ignorant, yea, otherwise you will use your critical mind
If you are going to try and tell me that people are not tortured and killed in the name of Allah every day that's all I need to know in order to judge you.
So, can I judge Christians, because
Pograms
The Holocaust
Srebrenica
The "Troubles" in Ireland
Anti-abortion violence
and much more.
Oh look, another one of those "Other people do this and this bad stuff, so my bad stuff is just fine for me to do."
The Holocaust and the pogroms were not religiously motivated by the way. Yes, Jews were killed, but the reason there were killed was not because of their religion. It was because of their ethnicity. It was ethnically motivated (the supreme white skin, blonde hair, blue eyes race...)
And financial motivation. Look, our country's economy is messed up, it can't be because we just waged the first works war, so let's find someone else to blame.
Anonymous
05/27/2014 21:06
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People are tortured and killed daily in the name of Allah. As long as that is going on Muslim religion will be viewed as it presents itself in the public.
If you're ignorant, yea, otherwise you will use your critical mind
If you are going to try and tell me that people are not tortured and killed in the name of Allah every day that's all I need to know in order to judge you.
So, can I judge Christians, because
Pograms
The Holocaust
Srebrenica
The "Troubles" in Ireland
Anti-abortion violence
and much more.
Oh look, another one of those "Other people do this and this bad stuff, so my bad stuff is just fine for me to do."
The Holocaust and the pogroms were not religiously motivated by the way. Yes, Jews were killed, but the reason there were killed was not because of their religion. It was because of their ethnicity. It was ethnically motivated (the supreme white skin, blonde hair, blue eyes race...)
Anonymous
05/27/2014 21:00
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People are tortured and killed daily in the name of Allah. As long as that is going on Muslim religion will be viewed as it presents itself in the public.
If you're ignorant, yea, otherwise you will use your critical mind
If you are going to try and tell me that people are not tortured and killed in the name of Allah every day that's all I need to know in order to judge you.
And plenty of people are killed in the name of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Atheism, Ignorance, Stupidity and every other ism there is out there. What's your point?
You know what my point is, you just pretend you don't. Today more people are killed and tortured every day in the name of Islam than any other religion. Islam is openly raging war against unbelievers. No, not all Muslims think that way. But enough do. Too many do. And as long as that doesn't get fixed there will always be a struggle to accept Islam in the modern world.
Anonymous
05/27/2014 19:44
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People are tortured and killed daily in the name of Allah. As long as that is going on Muslim religion will be viewed as it presents itself in the public.
If you're ignorant, yea, otherwise you will use your critical mind
If you are going to try and tell me that people are not tortured and killed in the name of Allah every day that's all I need to know in order to judge you.
And plenty of people are killed in the name of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Atheism, Ignorance, Stupidity and every other ism there is out there. What's your point?
Anonymous
05/27/2014 09:11
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
The Holocaust
Was this done in the name of God? I don't think so.